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DogWelder

Member
Stabbie said:
Yeah I know what it is and I know it's normal, but it lasts much longer than it should. I shouldn't even think about training the same muscle group more than once a week, yet most beginner programs have each muscle group twice a week, so I figure something's not right.

I walked past a mirror today and I look ridiculous with my arms in a constant 45° angle :/
It's just DOMS, but more severe 'cause your muscles and tendons were blindsided. It's quite common in untrained folk who pick up a weight for the first time, especially in the arms. I bet you're inner arms (in the elbow area, am I right?) are shot to shit right now and you can't extend your forearm without feeling severe pain. Don't worry about it, the good news is that you won't feel the same pain again. Continue your workouts once the pain subsides.
 

X-Frame

Member
Stabbie said:
I'm having a huge problem with soreness apparantly. Saturday I did some concentration curls (4 sets of 10) with a weight of only 6lbs and 4 days later my arms are still extremely sore. I can't completely stretch my arms and now I just look weird when I walk :/

I'm very sure I did the exercise correctly, so what could cause it? Last time I did concentration curls was a year ago and I had the same problem then. It took more than a week for the soreness to go away. I eat lots of meat, plenty of whole-wheat bread and drink tons of milk and water, so I just don't get it.
Your muscles are not used to the stress. Happened to me plenty of times once I did bicep or back work after a layoff. You should be fine.

However, I'm more curious about why you are doing 4 sets of concentration curls with only 6 pounds? This is not a knock at your strength but if you are weak and starting out (which is fine and actually you're lucky), you really have no reason to be doing direct arm work. You should receive all the bicep stimulation you need through compound back movements like pull ups and rows, with the added benefit that it'll actually stress your biceps in a more natural way (along with back, shoulders, core work etc).

I don't know you're whole story so I might be off a bit but from just reading this post that's what I'd recommend.
 
22
6'2
152lbs (skinny as hell)

-I'm making progress thanks to this thread. Enough to be at the skin stretching point.
-I know i can do more weight but it feels like the skin stretching is affecting my ROM. I know my skin is going to have to stretch to accommodate bigger muscles...

So does GAF have any insight on how to "deal" (or power through) with this issue?
 
Age: 29
Height: 5'10
Weight: 215
Goal: get rid of my gut and get down to a normal weight for my height and work on my upper body strength
Current Training Schedule: I walk 3-6 miles everyday and have 1.5 hours of Tae Kwon Do class every Tuesday and Thursday
Current Training Equipment Available: running shoes, weight bench/weights and a total body works 5000
Comments: I want to get rid of my gut and have a flat stomach and I want to work on my upper body strength as I can do maybe 5 pull ups. lol any recommendations as to what exercises etc... I should be doing will be a great help.

Thank you all for your help and time.
 
Cuban Legend said:
im 6'2 152lb (skinny as hell) and actually I'm making progress thanks to this thread. I'm now at the skin stretching point.

I know i can do more weight but it feels like the skin stretching is affecting my ROM. I know my skin is going to have to stretch to accommodate bigger muscles...

So does GAF have any insight on how to "deal" (or power through) with this issue?

Get some stretch mark creams and deal with them. Your ROM being affected is probably because you are not stretching well and not because of your skin.
 

ezrarh

Member
Live Free or Die said:
Age: 29
Height: 5'10
Weight: 215
Goal: get rid of my gut and get down to a normal weight for my height and work on my upper body strength
Current Training Schedule: I walk 3-6 miles everyday and have 1.5 hours of Tae Kwon Do class every Tuesday and Thursday
Current Training Equipment Available: running shoes, weight bench/weights and a total body works 5000
Comments: I want to get rid of my gut and have a flat stomach and I want to work on my upper body strength as I can do maybe 5 pull ups. lol any recommendations as to what exercises etc... I should be doing will be a great help.

Thank you all for your help and time.

Work on your diet. Your walking everyday and tkd is good, and weight lifting on top is more than enough to get a decent body as long as you're mindful of what you're eating. As to upper body strength, I'm going to just suggest the basics as recommended by the OP: bench, military press, dips, pullups, and rows.
 

Cudder

Member
Just started working out just shy of a month ago. Things have been going great, but yesterday I experienced my first exertion headache. Hurt like hell, and I can still feel it ever so slightly.

All I know is, I was doing leg presses, at the very end of my leg workout (it was my last set of the day), and I was pushing myself HARD. I had 180lbs on each side. My dad told me to do only 3 or 4, but I felt good enough to keep going, so I ended up doing 12.

Around the 10th rep or so, I just felt this sudden immense headache. I should have stopped at 10 I suppose, but I completed the last 2.

I had to sit down for a good 30-45 minutes after that, it only really subsided this morning when I woke up. I guess I won't be pushing myself that hard ever again.

Anyone ever get one of these headaches?
 

Rookje

Member
So I've been doing CKD for a year or so, and I'm stalling now. I'm tired of the cheat days on CKD, I feel bloated, gassy and I overdo it too easily.

I'm starting up Leangains. Do you guys count your calories to a T? I know Martin says the diet is "easier" -- and it is in the sense that you don't need to constantly plan meals every x hours, but its harder for me because I wasn't really counting calories or macros before.

It also seems hard to get that much meat at work. And it seems hard to eat potatoes during this heat wave we're having in Cali. Baking potatoes for 2 hrs doesn't sound fun.
 

The Lamp

Member
I hate bench pressing. All that weight makes me nervous and since my gym has no barbells I have to DB press...usually by myself. Too little weight and I dont push myself. Too much and I get scared. Ugh.

Day 16 of GOMAD: I stopped gaining weight and im not sure what to do. I've plateaued at around 12 extra lbs. Wtf. At least my muscles look bigger and I'm lifting more.
 

Rookje

Member
The Lamp said:
I hate bench pressing. All that weight makes me nervous and since my gym has no barbells I have to DB press...usually by myself. Too little weight and I dont push myself. Too much and I get scared. Ugh.

Day 16 of GOMAD: I stopped gaining weight and im not sure what to do. I've plateaued at around 12 extra lbs. Wtf. At least my muscles look bigger and I'm lifting more.
Spotter
 

Natural

Member
Cudder said:
Just started working out just shy of a month ago. Things have been going great, but yesterday I experienced my first exertion headache. Hurt like hell, and I can still feel it ever so slightly.

All I know is, I was doing leg presses, at the very end of my leg workout (it was my last set of the day), and I was pushing myself HARD. I had 180lbs on each side. My dad told me to do only 3 or 4, but I felt good enough to keep going, so I ended up doing 12.

Around the 10th rep or so, I just felt this sudden immense headache. I should have stopped at 10 I suppose, but I completed the last 2.

I had to sit down for a good 30-45 minutes after that, it only really subsided this morning when I woke up. I guess I won't be pushing myself that hard ever again.

Anyone ever get one of these headaches?
I sometimes get this, but it feels more like a brain freeze than an immense headache. Only happens when I'm lying on a bench and look up into a light or something. My only advice I can offer is make sure you're well hydrated and fed before doing your workout, as I sometimes get headaches when I'm hungry.
 

The Lamp

Member
Rookje said:

Im home with the family for the summer and have no one who would spot me. :( plus I get self conscious working out with others...it makes me work out faster/less harder.

So for now I'm just dealing with the risk and anxiety and benching by myself...but I hate it.
 

DogWelder

Member
The Lamp said:
Im home with the family for the summer and have no one who would spot me. :( plus I get self conscious working out with others...it makes me work out faster/less harder.

So for now I'm just dealing with the risk and anxiety and benching by myself...but I hate it.
Why are you scared of going too heavy with dumbbells? If you can't push the weight up, just drop it.
 
The Lamp said:
I hate bench pressing. All that weight makes me nervous and since my gym has no barbells I have to DB press...usually by myself. Too little weight and I dont push myself. Too much and I get scared. Ugh.

Day 16 of GOMAD: I stopped gaining weight and im not sure what to do. I've plateaued at around 12 extra lbs. Wtf. At least my muscles look bigger and I'm lifting more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIkpZ29u0

Also if you are doing something like SS or SL5x5, you'll increase very gradually and get the feel for when you're not going to be able to get another rep in. Doing a weight that you can do 5x5 or 3x8 and then increasing it by 5 lbs the next workout is tough but it won't be a shock. You might miss a rep or two in your last couple sets, especially without a spotter to give you that extra confidence, but you'll still get a good workout.
 

X-Frame

Member
Alienshogun said:
Integrated running into my routine along with breaking my "2 part" days into single part days now.

Time to lose this chub. ;)

Alien, are you talking about straight jogging?

I think it might be better if you did something more explosive, with conditioning elements rather than just steady-state cardio. Especially because the long-range up/down/up/down can be tough on joints at first.

I think you might prefer things like Hill Sprints, or Jumping Rope, and if you can find something like a Sled to drag/push, that'd be awesome.

I get a feel from your lifting numbers that you're more explosive -- and slowing everything down with jogging and running doesn't seem to mesh. No powerlifters and strongmen go jogging.

What do you think?
 

Anth0ny

Member
noob question incoming:

My abs suck. I've been training consistently since I finished school in February (every other day), and I've seen clear improvement everywhere but my abs. So either it simply hasn't been long enough to see results, or I'm doing something wrong.

Before you say it, I do deadlifts and squats <3

I hit the gym every other day. After each work out, I do 30 minutes of cardio (running) then ~20 minutes of abs. I can kinda feel my abs under a layer of fat, but I have friends with rock hard abs under a layer of fat.

So here are my questions:

1. Abs every other day for ~20 minutes? I saw a scooby video where he recommended training abs like any other muscle in the body (~50 minutes) only once a week. I want large, deep abs... should I be doing this?

2. Maybe my ab workout is shit? I primarily do 5 sets of 50 reps of crunches. I feel a great burn every time... but is that enough? Sometimes I mix it up with Ab Ripper X (from P90x). Should I be doing ab ripper X every time? Should I be using weights during my ab workouts? Anyone have a good ab workout they can recommend?

3. Am I doing enough cardio? 30 minutes every other day sounds okay, should I increase to every day? Longer?

4. Maybe I'm just eating bad? >_>

Thanks in advance =)
 

Draft

Member
parrotbeak said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8eIkpZ29u0

Also if you are doing something like SS or SL5x5, you'll increase very gradually and get the feel for when you're not going to be able to get another rep in. Doing a weight that you can do 5x5 or 3x8 and then increasing it by 5 lbs the next workout is tough but it won't be a shock. You might miss a rep or two in your last couple sets, especially without a spotter to give you that extra confidence, but you'll still get a good workout.
Still my favorite lifting video of all time.

The jazz, the flex, the tiny Japanese apartment. It's just amazing.
 
Anth0ny said:
noob question incoming:

My abs suck. I've been training consistently since I finished school in February (every other day), and I've seen clear improvement everywhere but my abs. So either it simply hasn't been long enough to see results, or I'm doing something wrong.

Before you say it, I do deadlifts and squats <3

I hit the gym every other day. After each work out, I do 30 minutes of cardio (running) then ~20 minutes of abs. I can kinda feel my abs under a layer of fat, but I have friends with rock hard abs under a layer of fat.

So here are my questions:

1. Abs every other day for ~20 minutes? I saw a scooby video where he recommended training abs like any other muscle in the body (~50 minutes) only once a week. I want large, deep abs... should I be doing this?

2. Maybe my ab workout is shit? I primarily do 5 sets of 50 reps of crunches. I feel a great burn every time... but is that enough? Sometimes I mix it up with Ab Ripper X (from P90x). Should I be doing ab ripper X every time? Should I be using weights during my ab workouts? Anyone have a good ab workout they can recommend?

3. Am I doing enough cardio? 30 minutes every other day sounds okay, should I increase to every day? Longer?

4. Maybe I'm just eating bad? >_>

Thanks in advance =)

This is more than likely your answer. Your body fat % has to be fairly low before abs become visible.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
X-Frame said:
Alien, are you talking about straight jogging?

I think it might be better if you did something more explosive, with conditioning elements rather than just steady-state cardio. Especially because the long-range up/down/up/down can be tough on joints at first.

I think you might prefer things like Hill Sprints, or Jumping Rope, and if you can find something like a Sled to drag/push, that'd be awesome.

I get a feel from your lifting numbers that you're more explosive -- and slowing everything down with jogging and running doesn't seem to mesh. No powerlifters and strongmen go jogging.

What do you think?


I need to get my run time low. I specifically need to work on my 2 mile time. (law enforcement PT tests).
 

DogWelder

Member
Anth0ny said:
noob question incoming:

My abs suck. I've been training consistently since I finished school in February (every other day), and I've seen clear improvement everywhere but my abs. So either it simply hasn't been long enough to see results, or I'm doing something wrong.

Before you say it, I do deadlifts and squats <3

I hit the gym every other day. After each work out, I do 30 minutes of cardio (running) then ~20 minutes of abs. I can kinda feel my abs under a layer of fat, but I have friends with rock hard abs under a layer of fat.

So here are my questions:

1. Abs every other day for ~20 minutes? I saw a scooby video where he recommended training abs like any other muscle in the body (~50 minutes) only once a week. I want large, deep abs... should I be doing this?

2. Maybe my ab workout is shit? I primarily do 5 sets of 50 reps of crunches. I feel a great burn every time... but is that enough? Sometimes I mix it up with Ab Ripper X (from P90x). Should I be doing ab ripper X every time? Should I be using weights during my ab workouts? Anyone have a good ab workout they can recommend?

3. Am I doing enough cardio? 30 minutes every other day sounds okay, should I increase to every day? Longer?

4. Maybe I'm just eating bad? >_>

Thanks in advance =)
LeftFoot is correct, your BF% is too high.

However wrt to number 2:
Scooby loves his broscience, but he's not wrong about training abs like any other muscle. Sorta. You can actually train them more than once a week because they, like the calf muscles, are resilient. But you really should train them like any other muscle group in that you do heavy sets with low reps (8-12). And don't let "the burn" be a guide of effective training; you will also feel a burn doing 50 reps of curls with a low weight and you often feel no burn doing low-rep sets of heavy presses, it's not a requisite nor predictor of muscle growth. If I were you, I'd get the diet in check and start doing heavy ab work such as weighted decline crunches, ab crunch machine, weighted hanging leg raises (which honestly to me seems like a hip flexor exercises, but some people swear by it), etc.
 
Anth0ny said:
I hit the gym every other day. After each work out, I do 30 minutes of cardio (running) then ~20 minutes of abs. I can kinda feel my abs under a layer of fat, but I have friends with rock hard abs under a layer of fat.
Are you saying your ab muscles are weak, and you want harder abs even under your fat?

I don't do too much ab work cuz I feel like I usually get enough from other things, but X-Frame posted these last month and some of these have been kicking my ass every time I try them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukmaW9CmSU

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/iron_core_how_to_build_a_punchproof_body

Especially the stir-the-pot.
 
ezrarh said:
Work on your diet. Your walking everyday and tkd is good, and weight lifting on top is more than enough to get a decent body as long as you're mindful of what you're eating. As to upper body strength, I'm going to just suggest the basics as recommended by the OP: bench, military press, dips, pullups, and rows.


Thanks for the help. Ill work on the diet stuff. thats going to be hard for me as i like chips and all that stuff. Ill get it just gotta work hard.
 

ShaneB

Member
Live Free or Die said:
Thanks for the help. Ill work on the diet stuff. thats going to be hard for me as i like chips and all that stuff. Ill get it just gotta work hard.

Key is finding healthy alternatives. My god did I ever wolf down the chips, but there are plenty of smarter choices out there to make.

I'm currently living with my aunt and uncle, so I'm getting a bit spoiled, and a bit off track, but they know I'm eating healthy, and they do their part as well, it's just a bit different not controlling what I'm buying.

parrotbeak said:
Are you saying your ab muscles are weak, and you want harder abs even under your fat?

I don't do too much ab work cuz I feel like I usually get enough from other things, but X-Frame posted these last month and some of these have been kicking my ass every time I try them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukmaW9CmSU

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/iron_core_how_to_build_a_punchproof_body

Especially the stir-the-pot.


Thanks for these. Will definitely look into adding these core workouts into my routine next time, much better options.

As for things to eat... I'm looking for suggestions on a pre-workout snack. I go to the gym after work, so that's around 6pm, and lunch is around 1, and then another snack break around 3pm, so around 5pm I'm looking to eat something to power through my workout and then get home for dinner around 8pm.

Lately I've been choosing to go with a peanut butter sandwich and a banana, but I'm not exactly sure that's the best option, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
So I've been trying to lose a few pounds for a few years now. I'll get into a kick where I say im going to run. But then due to ankle, and mostly foot issues( I have very flat feet so running even 3/4 a mile starts to kill my feet.) I have it doesnt last very long. Over the past 2 weeks I have decided to ride my bike, been going 5-10 miles 5 times a week. Slowly going to get the mileage up so im going maybe around 100 miles a week. Seen some positive results now and enjoying myself a lot more than running. Im hoping I can stick with it this time and not run into any issues.
 

abuC

Member
The Lamp said:
I hate bench pressing. All that weight makes me nervous and since my gym has no barbells I have to DB press...usually by myself. Too little weight and I dont push myself. Too much and I get scared. Ugh.

Day 16 of GOMAD: I stopped gaining weight and im not sure what to do. I've plateaued at around 12 extra lbs. Wtf. At least my muscles look bigger and I'm lifting more.
I started out with dumbells also, you can make huge gains in short a short period of time. I did chest two times a week, and in a 4 month span I went from 50lbers to 120lbers, I used to workout a few years ago but never made big gains like that. You just have to make progression a goal every week, no matter how I felt I almost always increased the weight by 5lbs a week. My rationale was that if I can do 85x8 today then there's no reason I couldn't do 90x8 the next week.

Just push yourself and if the weight is too much just drop the dumbells and rep your previous weeks max until you can add 5.
 
just saw the menu in the cafeteria at work today:
chicken parmesan
penne w/ marinara sauce
steamed veggies (usually broccoli, carrots, zucchini and squash)

so tempting. if i do, i think i'll skip out on the pasta and just ask for more veggies.

lifted yesterady so today's a cardio day. i figure i'll run an extra couple of intervals or something.
 

Sarye

Member
Has anyone ever wanted to say something to someone who's obviously doing something wrong?

Normally I don't pay any attention but today at the gym I saw a bunch of guys lifting together and making a ruckus. They were all new except for one who was showing them the ropes. He was pretty jacked, but he was incorrectly showing his group of 4 guys how to lift.

It's hard to explain what they were doing, but essentially for bench, they were only going less than half way with a spotter doing half the work the whole time. They were not centered when holding the bar but I guess it didn't matter when there is someone there helping you do your lifts.

I think it bothered me more that they were being taught incorrectly but I just bit my tongue because it's a group of them.

I've seen a lot of bad forms and practices at the gym but nothing to this extent. I think the only time I would actually say something is if someone was doing something dangerous. (saw someone unrack for a squat that was obviously too high for him, and when he went back to rack he couldn't get it back on)
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
DogWelder said:
He was genetically gifted, 220 lbs in high school, and he obviously didn't only do pushups to get that physique. I didn't think I needed to put a disclaimer in my post saying that barring you being a genetic freak who's predisposed to putting on a shit-ton of muscle that you can't gain significant mass with the most common* bodyweight exercises. Holy verbiage, Batman. You guys are reading past the context of the conversation.

*Dip bars and a pullup bar can get your pretty far though, especially if you're getting heavier as you train.
read convict conditioning. you can get as ripped as your frame allows with bodyweight. once you graduate from diamond pushups, move to uneven pushups, then to lever pushups, then to one armed pushups, etc. by the time you are doing strict one armed pushups (i.e. exact perfect form as a normal pushup, but with only one arm), if you are say 170lbs, you are essentially "benching" in the ballpark of 275-325lbs.

of course you can always get bigger still by adding resistance beyond that, and can probably get to 275-325 much quicker with free weights than with body weight (because a pushup is still more compound than a benchpress), but the notion that bodyweight won't get you very far is incorrect and perpetuated by the modern industry.

with all of that being said, your original assertion that simply doing 300 pushups a day won't add muscle mass is 100% correct. you need to increase resistance in SOME form. and the more isolated a movement, the quicker you will be able to increase resistance.

Obviously you will always be able to put more muscle on with free weights than bodyweight.. however by the time you TRULY top out bodyweight calisthenics, you'll still be stronger than probably 95% of the guys in the big box gyms today.

Sarye said:
Has anyone ever wanted to say something to someone who's obviously doing something wrong?
Never. EVER! Best case scenario you help them. Worst case scenario you could be wrong or they could hear you incorrectly, either resulting in an injury and possibly even legal action. It sucks seeing people with poor form, but better they get hurt without you saying anything that with you saying something.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Too much binge drinking this weekend... I never do that. Time to get back to working out.
 
Alright GAF Im in need of some help:

29
6'2
225lbs or more

Ill be 30 next month and Im in horrendous shape, probably the worst Ive been in years. My diet for the most part is absolute shit, I dont exercise, and consume beer on a daily basis. I really want to lose my gut and shed an additional 10 or so pounds. I dont care much about muscle mass and getting big, I just really want to lose the weight, but I have no idea what types of exercises I should be doing in order to get the ball rolling.
 
JumpingTheGun said:
Alright GAF Im in need of some help:

29
6'2
225lbs or more

Ill be 30 next month and Im in horrendous shape, probably the worst Ive been in years. My diet for the most part is absolute shit, I dont exercise, and consume beer on a daily basis. I really want to lose my gut and shed an additional 10 or so pounds. I dont care much about muscle mass and getting big, I just really want to lose the weight, but I have no idea what types of exercises I should be doing in order to get the ball rolling.

If you don't really care, any type of exercise should be fine for you. Your main problem is your diet, fix that and you'll be set. Read about that in the OP.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
JumpingTheGun said:
Alright GAF Im in need of some help:

29
6'2
225lbs or more

Ill be 30 next month and Im in horrendous shape, probably the worst Ive been in years. My diet for the most part is absolute shit, I dont exercise, and consume beer on a daily basis. I really want to lose my gut and shed an additional 10 or so pounds. I dont care much about muscle mass and getting big, I just really want to lose the weight, but I have no idea what types of exercises I should be doing in order to get the ball rolling.
Looks like you've identified most of the issues that are contributing to your current physical self.

Kill the beer, drop the sodas, pick up a water bottle, cut out fast food, start cooking at home more and eat lean. What I mean by lean: chicken, turkey, low-fat beef should be okay in moderation, greens (salads, etc, not too much dressing), fruits and vegetables. If you're feeling hungry, instead of grabbing for some fries, grab a banana or apple instead. Ditto if you got a sweet tooth.

As far as what you can do beyond that? Get out and run. Run 1 mile today, take a day or two off, then run 1.25 miles, take a day or two off, then run for 1.5 miles, and keep going. Once you get your body acclimated to some level of fitness, you can do to more advanced cardio-based workouts.
 
reilo said:
Looks like you've identified most of the issues that are contributing to your current physical self.

Kill the beer, drop the sodas, pick up a water bottle, cut out fast food, start cooking at home more and eat lean. What I mean by lean: chicken, turkey, low-fat beef should be okay in moderation, greens (salads, etc, not too much dressing), fruits and vegetables. If you're feeling hungry, instead of grabbing for some fries, grab a banana or apple instead. Ditto if you got a sweet tooth.

As far as what you can do beyond that? Get out and run. Run 1 mile today, take a day or two off, then run 1.25 miles, take a day or two off, then run for 1.5 miles, and keep going. Once you get your body acclimated to some level of fitness, you can do to more advanced cardio-based workouts.


What if I switched out running to biking? Would it make much of a difference?
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
JumpingTheGun said:
What if I switched out running to biking? Would it make much of a difference?
That's a good question. Biking is definitely easier on your body (specifically the knees), but you're also working out different muscle groups and using less of your body to do work. I'm not one hundred percent certain, and I'm sure I'll be corrected, but to burn the same calories, you have to bike longer and exert more energy than just straight up running.
 

The Lamp

Member
It's kind of fascinating. I used to hate working out. I hated everything about it. The exhaustion, the week-long soreness, the inability to do anything after working out, the work to eat, the discipline to fit the time into my schedule. I thought the people who enjoyed this stuff were insane masochists.

I've been sticking to it for a little over two weeks now and by the time Monday, Wednesday, or Friday comes around, I feel restless and incomplete unless I get my work-out done. After my work-out I feel tired as hell for about an hour, but then I feel pretty relaxed (although weak) and my soreness doesn't last past a day anymore.

Seeing my gains improve (went from 65 lbs. to 115 lbs. on the squat machine, 20 lbs. to 30 lbs. in bicep curls with dumbbells, etc.) is addicting and keeps me wanting to go back.

I still don't know why I stopped gaining weight though. Is it possible my body's in equilibrium or got accustomed to eating 4000+ calories a day? Drinking a gallon of milk is no longer difficult at all and I still have room for meals and I'm still not gaining much weight haha...but then again my muscles are getting considerably bigger in just two weeks.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
both running (non-interval) and biking (non-interval) are overall very poor forms of exercise. however I think the poster's intent was to just get your entire body used to activity on a regular basis. so with that being said, I don't think biking as opposed to running would be a big difference. go for it. just remember that this is only get you used to lots of activity.. sooner than later you are going to want to come back here for a more directed workout that is considerably more efficient than running or biking (or any regular form of plain cardio...)

The Lamp said:
I still don't know why I stopped gaining weight though. Is it possible my body's in equilibrium or got accustomed to eating 4000+ calories a day? Drinking a gallon of milk is no longer difficult at all and I still have room for meals and I'm still not gaining much weight haha...but then again my muscles are getting considerably bigger in just two weeks.
how old are you? just curious. it always seems to be the younger guys coming out of high school that worry about "gaining weight"

most guys equate weight t strength. you said it yourself.. you have already increased your squat weight. that's great!! yet something tells me you are thinking "if only I could put some weight on, I could go straight to the limit!!"

fitness isn't a sprint, but a marathon. likewise, you will hit limits.. I mean you just will. do you care if you get to 275lb squat tomorrow or next year? hopefully not. it will come either way. if it comes tomorrow, chances are your soft tissue and support muscles won't have had the time/exercise to catchup to your muscles.. when it comes next year, they will have.

take your time.. put in the hours. you WILL put on the muscle.. absolutely.

fwiw I was the same way. got out of high school at 125lbs at 5'9"... seriously.. ended up putting on a whopping 10-15lbs over like 3-4 years. looking back now, I would LOVE to have my current 15lbs of fat reduced down to closer to 5lbs and be that weight again (and ripped to hell). our body frames are what they are.. and I hate to say it, but if you are a stick now, your muscles will only get so big. it's your genetics.. but gymnasts and martial artists likewise often have small frames, and no one has EVER accused them of being puny. a 145lb guy squatting 300lb will never be accused of being scrawny.
 
peterb0y said:
I'm kinda average sized, relatively speaking (195 lbs), but I've been squatting for a while so I can do 3x5 at 365 regularly- and people freak the fuck out when they see that.

Last week a dude came up from behind me mid-set and tried to "spot" me by basically humping me. I almost lost it on the dude, I clearly didn't need help and he just threw me off.

/rage.
That's some serious weight for your size, good stuff. Thank God I've never had someone try to spot hump me in the gym before lol. But I have had some terrible experience with shitty random spotters.
 

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MWS Natural said:
That's some serious weight for your size, good stuff. Thank God I've never had someone try to spot hump me in the gym before lol. But I have had some terrible experience with shitty random spotters.
I actually saw the fabled spot humping yesterday, it took a lot for me not to bust out laughing. Especially since the dudes were squatting 315 which is a good amount, however they were barely dropping more than 5 inches.
 
abuC said:
I actually saw the fabled spot humping yesterday, it took a lot for me not to bust out laughing. Especially since the dudes were squatting 315 which is a good amount, however they were barely dropping more than 5 inches.

Heh, yeah I see that a lot. My old football coach used to punch guys in the chest hard as hell while they were squatting if they didn't go low enough. I made sure I never got punched in the chest.

I'm going to workout again today after nearly a two week break. Hopefully I have fully recovered and kept my strength, would love to go for a PR on the bench today.
 
MWS Natural said:
Thank God I've never had someone try to spot hump me in the gym before lol.

I had a guy once when I was doing my last rep that did the hump spot on me. I know what I'm doing, don't try to rape me.
 

Prez

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Do you guys know of any playful ways to work out? I know that drumming is really good for both your condition and your lower arm muscles. Also I have rowed a couple times and I really loved it. Most sports I don't really love but I could row all day. Unfortunately I'm not near water and rowing machines are not the same.


X-Frame said:
Your muscles are not used to the stress. Happened to me plenty of times once I did bicep or back work after a layoff. You should be fine.

However, I'm more curious about why you are doing 4 sets of concentration curls with only 6 pounds? This is not a knock at your strength but if you are weak and starting out (which is fine and actually you're lucky), you really have no reason to be doing direct arm work. You should receive all the bicep stimulation you need through compound back movements like pull ups and rows, with the added benefit that it'll actually stress your biceps in a more natural way (along with back, shoulders, core work etc).

I don't know you're whole story so I might be off a bit but from just reading this post that's what I'd recommend.

Thanks for the advice, I'll try pull ups and rows once my soreness is gone (it's better now, should be gone by Saturday).
 

Prez

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FallingEdge said:
Playful? I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean by that.

I mean something that can make you totally forget you're working out because you enjoy it so much.

Yeah you were probably sarcastic
 
Stabbie said:
I mean something that can make you totally forget you're working out because you enjoy it so much.

Yeah you were probably sarcastic
Swimming, Cycling, and Sex are the only things I can think of. Even though I don't think sex is that great for weight loss because I got fat as hell in college and I was having a shitload of sex lol.
 

Slayer-33

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OP I love you.


I've been doing P90X but I have been a complete undisciplined jackass when it comes to serious nutritional habits after my first 3 months on the program (a while ago) I've done like 3 more rounds so far.

I want to get serious about the nutrition.


MWS Natural said:
Swimming, Cycling, and Sex are the only things I can think of. Even though I don't think sex is that great for weight loss because I got fat as hell in college and I was having a shitload of sex lol.



B-52 non-stealth brag :lol
 
Stabbie said:
I mean something that can make you totally forget you're working out because you enjoy it so much.

Yeah you were probably sarcastic

Nah, I was serious. I really didn't know what you meant.

I guess sports could fall into this category but what are your goals? I find weight lifting to be enjoyable but I never forgot that I am working out lol.
 

Prez

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FallingEdge said:
Nah, I was serious. I really didn't know what you meant.

I guess sports could fall into this category but what are your goals? I find weight lifting to be enjoyable but I never forgot that I am working out lol.

Yeah when you're in the gym or lifting weights it's impossible to forget you're working out. I love activities like cycling (just 10 to 15-minute rides but I hit the pedal very hard) or even simple things like running up and down the stairs instead of using the elevator. It's because my legs are naturally huge. I certainly don't feel the need to work on my lower body.

Now there are far less of these kind of activities that work out the upper body (or you should love lifting boxes and shit, lol). Rowing is great, but I'm not near water. I'll definately consider swimming.
 
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