fredrancour
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Just think of it as a deload? I don't know how strong you were prior to the injury though. I guess it could be too huge of a drop to count as a deload.
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Just think of it as a deload? I don't know how strong you were prior to the injury though. I guess it could be too huge of a drop to count as a deload.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
And I'm talking about plain ol Mono.
Also, apparently the different types of creatine might be more "bs supplement snakeoil shit."
You should look to some other sources than just the bodybuilding forums.
BTW, I used to take that pill form you're talking about and it didn't do shit for me.
Be wary of the placebo effect.
Try the 100 pushups program. Takes a while but it works. I went from like....20 pushups to over 60 in like 4-5 weeks I think, then I gave up
http://hundredpushups.com/
CliqWriter
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Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. I have only been using it for the loading phase but I really have felt the difference. Esp, as someone who has not been using supplements at all. Hopefully, this next week is the same.
Did you do a loading phase? Although it says no loading phase is necessary, I did one anyway. That could be the difference.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Age: 20
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 135-140
Goal: I'd like to gain some weight, but more focus on muscle tone/definition. See Comments.
Current Training Schedule: None. See Comments.
Current Training Equipment Available: I own none. If I had to use equipment, I'd have to workout at my university wellness center. Small engineering-science school, but NCAA so I think it has decent selection on equipment. I'm also unsure of the open hours for the center.
Comments:
My life's schedule is super bad right now. Constantly doing stuff from 8am-midnight or later. I was told to come here because working out can boost confidence, but I don't think I'll have the time to commit to workout and still maintain everything else in my life.
I'm extremely skinny and have a huge metabolism. I don't lose or gain even the slightest weight without a huge, concerted effort, even then the effects are very minimal. I've probably been at 135 for nearly 3 years, give or take 5 pounds.
I also have little knowledge of workouts or anything like that. I never enjoyed physical activity without a right-here-and-now-goal. I liked playing sports and I love backpacking. I always hated going to the weight room for high school PE. It was so mindless.
I don't know what would be a good goal to set for myself. I don't now how to reconcile my lack of time with my inexperience.
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 135-140
Goal: I'd like to gain some weight, but more focus on muscle tone/definition. See Comments.
Current Training Schedule: None. See Comments.
Current Training Equipment Available: I own none. If I had to use equipment, I'd have to workout at my university wellness center. Small engineering-science school, but NCAA so I think it has decent selection on equipment. I'm also unsure of the open hours for the center.
Comments:
My life's schedule is super bad right now. Constantly doing stuff from 8am-midnight or later. I was told to come here because working out can boost confidence, but I don't think I'll have the time to commit to workout and still maintain everything else in my life.
I'm extremely skinny and have a huge metabolism. I don't lose or gain even the slightest weight without a huge, concerted effort, even then the effects are very minimal. I've probably been at 135 for nearly 3 years, give or take 5 pounds.
I also have little knowledge of workouts or anything like that. I never enjoyed physical activity without a right-here-and-now-goal. I liked playing sports and I love backpacking. I always hated going to the weight room for high school PE. It was so mindless.
I don't know what would be a good goal to set for myself. I don't now how to reconcile my lack of time with my inexperience.
Cross posting this from the weight loss thread because I'd like to get some of you guys' opinions too:
What do you guys think of a diet of ~1600 calories per day? I'm 5'9", 190 lbs. I'd like to lose ~2 lbs per week. I'll be doing 45-minutes of steady state cardio 4-5 times per week in addition to that diet.
What do you guys think of a diet of ~1600 calories per day? I'm 5'9", 190 lbs. I'd like to lose ~2 lbs per week. I'll be doing 45-minutes of steady state cardio 4-5 times per week in addition to that diet.
Balance front to back or side to side?
That is a generous gesture and I hope someone takes you up on the offer.
HarryHengst
Member
No need for 45 minutes of cardio when you can do 10 minutes of HIIT and reap the same benefits. That way you can spend 35 minutes lifting and make even more progress!
entremet
Member
Your university gym should have a squat rack at least. I'd do the OP program and increase your food intake with quality, clean food. I would also focus on quality sleep. If you're not well rested, it could affect your hormone levels making gaining muscle much harder. But for now, increase your caloric and protein intake and do the OP program as prescribed.
Be willing to commit to the long term.
The OP Program shouldn't take more than 3 to 3 1/2 hours a week. Not exactly time consuming.
Here's a good meal plan:
http://stronglifts.com/how-to-gain-weight-for-skinny-guys/
If you can't afford that much food, you can always do a half a gallon of milk daily or full GOMAD, or just a huge glass of milk with every meal.
You sound like you aren't ready to commit to changing anything. Come visit again when you sound even slightly willing.
HarryHengst
Member
Simple: you make time (its your health and physical well-being we are talking about, that is IMPORTANT) and you get experienced by lifting heavy things up and putting them down again. Its not rocket science, and having no experience is the worst excuse not to do something. At 20 you are of a perfect age to make huge gains with a bit of effort and dedication. As for goals, just go for the novice standards on the lifts mentioned here. That should give you some much needed muscles, a long-term goal and hopefully more confidence simply from working out, because you need that.
Also, you do not eat as much as you think you are eating. Thats why you stay skinny. I bet if you kept track of what you ate you would barely break 2000 calories a day.
And always remember: you cant be who you want to be as long as you are who are. If you dont like who you are now, today is the day you can start working on becoming who you want to be.
That's a pretty low calorie amount for someone your size. Pile on some daily cardio, and that could end up not going well. Why not setup a 10-15% calorie deficit and lift some weights?
You sound lost hopeless and confused. How exciting! Do you live in Illinois? I could pummel some inspiration into you.
Problem 1: Time
How do you remain busy for 16 consecutive hours on a daily basis? How? And why would you setup a schedule like that? It's going to be rough, but you're going to look it at how you manage your time and see you can allow time for you because right now your schedule looks more akin to a washing machine's.
Problem 2: Weight
You can eat whatever you want and not gain weight, huh? What exactly is "whatever you want"? For me, it would be steaks, bacon, omelettes with bacon, sausage, cheese, 2 pizzas piled with sausage, pepperoni....you get the picture. If you want to gain weight, you got to eat like you mean to gain weight.
I'm going to make an assumption here (and I know the old saying about assumptions) and guess that you don't give yourself time to eat on this awful, self-imposed slave labor schedule you devised. You need to eat, either by cooking your food or wrecking the dining hall everyday. However, before you do that...
Problem 3: Plan of attack
The best thing to do whilst gaining weight is lifting dem weights. Starting Strength has been the considered the gold standard of weightlifting books. The book is very through in its coverage of proper lifting mechanics, programming, and safety in the weight room. It also lists a bit about diet as well.
I would read it and check out some of the articles and videos on the author's site to better education yourself. The real test is seeing if you will take the time to better yourself.
Johnlenham
Member
Decided to get back on the fitness wagon after dropping off last year due to a fuck load of injurys.Need to build up my upper body strength to help with my riding.
Going to sort out a space in the garage this week and get some weights/chin up bar/squat setup as all the extra faf at the gym is not worth the money.
Not to mention I can put my music on and I dont have to deal with dumbass people sitting around hogging the gear!
Pretty excited
Going to sort out a space in the garage this week and get some weights/chin up bar/squat setup as all the extra faf at the gym is not worth the money.
Not to mention I can put my music on and I dont have to deal with dumbass people sitting around hogging the gear!
Pretty excited
I have one more thought for FelixOrion: backpacking. Throw some weight on your back and hike for distance. Slowly increase the weight and distance as your conditioning improves. You already like backpacking, so make it a little more challenging. I assume you could find time to do this once a week, probably on weekends, and this way it won't supplant any training you do and it will assist in your cardiovascular conditioning.
Most importantly it's something you like to do already. It gets you outside and keeps you moving, so if nothing else you won't succumb to a dull sedentary lifestyle.
Most importantly it's something you like to do already. It gets you outside and keeps you moving, so if nothing else you won't succumb to a dull sedentary lifestyle.
oh?
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
Why are my push-ups so terrible? Goddammit. I can do 10+ pull-ups, five or six muscle-ups, three or so unassisted handstand push-ups, 25+ dips (one set, of course)... but I fucking SUCK at push-ups. Always have for some reason. Been trying the 100 push-up challenge and I'm still stuck on Week 3 for a couple weeks now. My arms always give out so quickly. I do them correctly but to no avail. Hell, I'm getting close to doing a full PLANCHE push-up, which is much more difficult than regular push-ups, yet I can still only do about 35 perfect push-ups in a row. It's very frustrating and despite everything else, makes me feel weak.
Loading causes creatine levels to spike by 45%, after loading, even after 30 days creatine levels in muscles are still up 22% compared to no supplementation.
http://chua2.fiu.edu/faculty/kalmand/HUN6248/ppp/JSCR Creatine in vivo activity Rawson 2-2004.pdf
I doubt a day or two off the juice while I'm inactive is going to make any significant difference.
Steady state cardio sucks, do some sprinting or HIIT, you'll be done in half the time and will have burned more calories.
It sounds frustrating, though not entirely surprising to me. Being able to display absolute strength in a one-arm push-up (or in your case, a planche push-up) does not carry over into the strength endurance requirements of performing a hundred push-ups. Specificity in training is required.
And if nothing else, be satisfied that you are on the precipice of performing a maneuver, the planche push-up, that most people will never come close to doing. It's an impressive feat of strength, that's for sure.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I know, but it kills me that my basic push-ups are so unimpressive. All the other stuff is great and all, but my main goal is to up my basic pull-ups and push-ups every week. They're the foundation for everything I do. I'm doing the 20 pull-up challenge, which is going well, but I've plateaued on the one-hundred push-ups and I just don't know why. What's even weirder is that oftentimes I'll REGRESS. Maybe I'm not resting enough? For example, one week I can feel comfortable doing nearly 40 push-ups in a row, and two days later I'll barely be able to do 25 or 30 in a row. Maybe I'm not using my chest enough? Maybe I'm putting too much pressure on my shoulders and not enough on my tris? I just don't know.
I've had similar experiences with dips in push-up performance and felt that inadequate recovery was responsible for those sort of results. They were always an accessory movement though, and if I ate less than I should have, got less sleep, just hit a big barbell PR or something, I would notice dips in my totals for push-ups. Bottom line is you need to cut back on other upper-body movements if push-ups are a priority, and/or eat and sleep more. I'd try the latter first, and if that didn't fix it in a few weeks I'd do both. Just food for thought.
CliqWriter
Member
I suggest that you set small goals for yourself like doing 4 or 5 before you walk into your room or bathroom. It's small but it counts. The only time you practice pushups shouldnt be just during your scheduled workout.
For me, I put a pullup bar on my bathroom door and I pushed myself to do 5 deadhang pullups before leaving and entering the bathroom. This helped my win a pullup contest.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
That's what I do, which is maybe why I feel like I'm overdoing them and going into a catabolic state.
Words like catabolic or overtraining may be overreaching (I'm just nipping the latter word in the bud) but recovery is almost certainly a factor that's been overlooked here.
How many did you perform to win?
Spiritreaver
Member
Yeah I guess, I should at least be able to do sets of 315 as I was doing those before I switched and my legs are much stronger now.
I'm just gonna tough it out, make sure my form is in check tomorrow and do what I can. I'll still keep heavy on my other lifts and I should be fine.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Ok, honestly, I get what you're trying to do, but I simply do not appreciate the attitude. Especially the threats of physical violence, however jokingly or good-natured you attempted to be. Don't do that, especially to me of all people.
How do I remain busy? Classes, work, my play, homework. That takes huge chunks of time for me. I do schedule time to eat, I get three a day at the school lunchroom. I sometimes have to rush through dinner to get to play practice, but I work to plan my school schedule around my meals, giving myself time to at least get breakfast and lunch. And when I say anything, I really and truly mean anything. All those thing you list I eat on a very regular basis, for better or worse. I usually have omlettes, cereal, lots of milk and OJ and pancakes for breakfast. Lunch and dinner vary based on what's being served during the day, but pasta is plentiful and I make a concerted effort every day to get a good amount of meat and/or seafood with that.
Looking at the university weight room hours, I'll only be able to get in on the weekends. That'll have to do for now. I'll be looking through the links to plan it out. Thanks to all.
CliqWriter
Member
36 pullups to win. Just beat my brother at 34. Nobody else got in the thirties.
They were pretty strict as well. No hanging more than 5 seconds. No like "butt/backing" up. Like jerking up using momentum. No changing your hand grip.
CliqWriter
Member
Sorry for the double post, but relax man. You came here asking for help/advice. He is just clearly stating what is in the op. You should probably take some time to read and follow the great advice there.
Also, Just like you I am skinny and digest my food fast. But as long as you eat ask if you are trying to gain 3000-4000 calories a day. You will gain weight. If it means anything I restarted my diet and gained 4 to 5 pounds last week.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Right, and I plan to. Just figuring out how to make it work. Sorry if I got pissed a little, I tend to do that, but I will not tolerate threats like that.
CliqWriter
Member
No worries. Re-reading for first post I'm interested to know how your day goes in terms of timing and obligations. Maybe if you could post an example day? Also, I hope you still do not think of weight lifting as mindless. You may not be doing quantum physics but there is a lot more to it than what meets the eye. Gaining mass is a lifestyle and if you are prepared to make that kind of commitment to eating, sleeping, and working out right then you will get bigger. So post your schedule and lets see where we can fit in meals and a workout.
HarryHengst
Member
Also, post exactly how much you eat, because i bet you really arent eating as much as you think. Nobody stays thin if they eat enough, no matter your metabolism. And you need to eat to grow (i know, im small because i dont cram my face with enough food most days).
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Usually a day during the week for me is roughly:
8am: Wake-up. Shower. Breakfast. Get prepped for the day.
10am: Classes begin. One hour break for lunch.
2pm: Work
6pm: Dinner and play-practice
9-midnight: Homework.
Also of note, the weight center closes at 8pm for me during the week.
I'll look and try to calculate that and get back to you.
CliqWriter
Member
Ok, it looks like you are going to have to go in the morning. Or you could eat during your classes if you take lunch and use your lunch break as workout time. Workouts should only take 30-45 if your alone and doing the beginning of SS or a beginner program. Probably not even that long. Which time seems more probable? And since you wake up at 8, unless you don't live on campus you should be able to get ready in under an hour and workout in less than an hour.
Nice! Those are impressive numbers no matter who puts them up. I earned twenty solid pull-ups a while back but I haven't attempted to break that number since. Twenty and up seems like a more exclusive club, though the thought of doing even twenty-one gives me a certain precognitive soreness in my lats I wasn't previously aware of!
Spiritreaver
Member
All this pull up talk is making me glad today's back day. Fun times ahead.
Especially to you of all people? Get the fuck out of this thread with that. Go enjoy being a skinny fatass and let the men do their thing. Pummeling some inspiration into you is an expression, and you are a jackass if you cant see that.
Some people.
i'm interested. i can pm you my address if you still wanna do that. who pays for shipping, the person sending or receiving?
i mean, i know what you're talking about, but when i was on creatine, it was the most delicious thing i drank lol. i've still got a whole tub left, so i might get back on it. it's 5-star fruit punch flavor i think. from walmart. effing delicious.
ouch
but he's (petrie) kind of right, you just have to make time for the gym. Starting Strength is 3x a week, and shouldn't take more than 45 minutes. that's with a couple minutes rest between the more demanding exercises (squats, deads). today i got to the gym at 310 and got home at 410. 10 minute drive home, with some ab work afterwards. so if you don't have 45 minutes 3 days a week free, maybe you should look into something called relaxing
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anyways, no PRs today, but i haven't been to the gym since last Monday (i know i said I was going Saturday trolol)
bench 155x3x5 - cake, much cake
squat 275x3x5 - this was hard as fuck, i'm using a belt next time. 5lbs below what i did last week
deadlift 315x1x5 - pretty sure this is what i did last time, but definitely was harder. i had to sit down for a few minutes afterwards to not pass out like that one guy who smashed his face into the dumbbell rack
good day overall, looking forward to tomorrow to run this trail a couple times (similar to what MrOogieBoogie does)
Does this mesmerize anyone else or just me?
YouTube - Nicole Wilkins (Current Ms. Universe) does Barbell Squats
YouTube - Nicole Wilkins (Current Ms. Universe) does Barbell Squats
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Bad form. Not joking.
CliqWriter
Member
Nicely toned legs memorize a lot of people. Including me.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Just ran 2.5 miles or so for the first time in just under a year. Feels good, man. Probably only took half an hour, to boot. (Had a lot of rest periods along the way, haha.)
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Dude on the leg press is desperately trying to avoid staring.
BlueScrote
Member
Workout today is awful. I barely got through sqaut warmups before starting to feel an intense pain by the right gluteus medius/maximus and lower-right back. Going to stick to warmup weight squats and deadlifts for a week or two with heavy icing and hope it goes away.
Major_Lazer
Member
Been sick since Thursday . Longest ive been out of the gym in almost 6 months, didn't think it would suck so much.
. Longest ive been out of the gym in almost 6 months, didn't think it would suck so much.- Status