Clicked on it twice, I guess it is a little mesmerizing.
Also, another good article by Jim Wendler on T-nation:
My Favorite Upper Body Lift [print version]
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Also, another good article by Jim Wendler on T-nation:
My Favorite Upper Body Lift [print version]
Pretty important since a bent wrist places all stress on the wrist joint.
So then what do I do if I physically cannot get my wrists straight?
cuevas. PhD.
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Widen your grip and work on flexibility
Been sick since Thursday. Longest ive been out of the gym in almost 6 months, didn't think it would suck so much.
you're not going to lose your gains or size or whatever don't worry about it
I'm working on flexibility with shoulder dislocation stretches using ribbons. Widening the grip makes my thumbs hurt like fuckin hell, though.
I'm not quite sure if this is the best place to ask, but I am a University rower
and we just finished our season. I've been looking into Heart Rate based training
to build up my aerobic base over summer. From my research and my polar heart
rate monitor I should be training between 70%-80% of my max heart rate.
I'm currently 22 years old 6'3" and 185lbs which puts my max around 198 bpm according to what I've read. I will be training in this zone for about 90mins a day 5 days a week. The goal is to improve my over all fitness but also my 2km time (which usually takes over 6 minutes).
However I have talked to other people with opposing views to using this method for to train my aerobic system and how that method doesn't work for elite athletes. Without doing Milumil lactate testing does anyone have any good information about obtaining your actual thresholds for each energy system? Thanks.
and we just finished our season. I've been looking into Heart Rate based training
to build up my aerobic base over summer. From my research and my polar heart
rate monitor I should be training between 70%-80% of my max heart rate.
I'm currently 22 years old 6'3" and 185lbs which puts my max around 198 bpm according to what I've read. I will be training in this zone for about 90mins a day 5 days a week. The goal is to improve my over all fitness but also my 2km time (which usually takes over 6 minutes).
However I have talked to other people with opposing views to using this method for to train my aerobic system and how that method doesn't work for elite athletes. Without doing Milumil lactate testing does anyone have any good information about obtaining your actual thresholds for each energy system? Thanks.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Thanks! Anything Wendler says is pretty much gospel for me at this point.
Luckily I already do a lot of what he says.
Then you have your thumbs wrong, they shouldn't be under the bar.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
i'm on my phone so i can't read the spoiler text, but will do! off to the gym..
How so?
I do 10 dislocations before my first two warmups sets, and 5 dislocations before every other set after that, and after about 3-4 weeks I don't even really need to do them anymore, as squatting doesn't really hurt my shoulders anymore. If your wrists are hurting push your rear deltoids and traps back more, you need to support the weight on your back muscles so there's no so much tension on the wrist. Elbows need to be up higher behind you.
cuevas. PhD.
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She had to shrug to get the bar up so there's no way her core was tight, jokes, and she is way above breaking parallel.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
I was talking to Mr.City in particular because he knew I've been bullied for along time. So that's what I meant by saying me of all people, that is someone who's been bullied for years. If it's expression I've never heard it before and certainly read it for what it was worth.
Sorry if I stepped on your toes.
Maybe I was hard on the fella. I think the guy should do whatever he can since it sounds like he doesn't to go all out. If he wants to make the time, he will, and if he does, the tools are listed in this thread.
Demon: Rippetoe has a really good video about bar position on the back squat on his site.
http://startingstrength.com/index.php/site/platform_the_squat_bar_position
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Thanks, I appreciate that. I know you didn't mean it a mean-spirited way, just I thought pummeling was a poor choice of words. But thanks again.
Well, I can't really eat in class, so if I'm gonna work out during the week I'm gonna have to do it in the morning, if anything.
Thanks.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think you need to stop giving advice. This isn't an attack on you, but it's kind of obvious you don't know a whole lot, and we don't want people getting hurt.
Yeah, you can't go wrong learning the basics from Rippetoe, especially form. And you're (Demon) in luck, Rippetoe loves low bar squats.
Hmm, what was wrong with what I said?
I did it to my younger brother during my teenage years. Made fun of him for being fat - enough so that he lost it all after first year of high school. I hope it wasn't too traumatic on him.
Anyway, question - I was doing my final set for bench the other day and unfortunately had a guy spot me who kept touching the bar as I was going up during the first few reps before I was visibly struggling. He said he wasn't helping with the lift at all until the last rep but it made things feel easier on the way up. Does anyone know how that affects growth and development? It's a phenomena I've experienced before - although generally you don't somebody doing that during your lift.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Watch the video Senior City just posted. Also, the weight isn't supported on the back, it's supported on the upper trap/shoulder area (even in low bar).
When people start talking about putting weight on their back I get worried.
If you ARE going to continue to try to advise people, I would ask that you try to be more clear in what you say before you do (assuming you just misspoke). Maybe even re-read some literature/watch a video. When I'm a bit fuzzy on how to answer someone that's exactly what I do.
I try to avoid anecdotal responses and try to give information that lead me to where I am now (and continuing to go) which came from people much stronger than me.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Something tells me you'd find yourself enjoying a certain...lifestyle...
Just kidding!
I put in about 3000 calories today. My lunch was a little lighter than usual, but that was slightly out of my control.
I consider the traps upper back muscles as well as shoulder muscles. Semantics, I guess.
If your elbows are down (instead of being up/back) they are not tightening your shoulders/traps/upper back, it's going to put more strain on your wrists.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It's really not semantics, it's a word swap that could end up hurting someone coming in here looking for real advice.
Edit: I'm not going to take this any farther. I said my piece. I just ask that you think/read/watch before you try to help others. If I see you advise someone again and it looks like bad advice I'll just PM them so as to not create a confrontation, which is not what I'm going for here.
I'm no expert, most people here aren't, I do however know a fair amount, but like I said, I almost always fall back on the "big names" when answering questions. You on the other hand I'm quite confident are still quite unlearned about these sorts of things (just my impression from your posts and again, not a jab).
So please, think of the newbies.
cuevas. PhD.
Member
I disagree on a lot with shogun but he's right. Including shoulders and traps with "back"?
Just no.
Spiritreaver
Member
Yeah, you gotta be careful. I consider myself somewhat knowledgeable, especially in regard to diet, nutrition, and fat loss. but I've been reluctant to toss out advice just yet. I don't like answering delicate questions without really being on the ball about things, not to mention I'm relatively new to the thread and some people have their shit down pat.
I also am the worst person ever about giving out directions that easy to understand. Way too fucking wordy.
I also am the worst person ever about giving out directions that easy to understand. Way too fucking wordy.
cuevas. PhD.
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I feel like I'm fairly knowledgeable but I like to defer people to my sources. When someone asks you something in the gym though it's a lot easier to help them out since you can see and show them without a problem.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I wanna see that shit. Youtube or it didn't happen, bonus points for doing it live on Twitch.
Spiritreaver
Member
I don't know... I feel like watching someone do that would leave me feeling iddly aroused.
Haha, I'm no better in the gym. Someone will ask me a simple question like what do I to build up a certain muscle.. and I lecture them for half an hour.
But yeah, I've learned a lot just lurking through this thread which has made me sort of take a backseat before I start tossing out advice. It's such a drastic turn from the weight loss thread, I've popped in there a few times to offer help, but some of the things I see in there can really boggle me at times.
RumblingRosco
Member
I just want to say that I love this thread. I used to be pretty active in OT1 (Even before Captain Glanton ran off!) and OT2, and while I don't participate anymore, I still find the occasional time to catch up on some of the chat in here as a refresher for my lifting.
I'm not filming it, I don't have to prove anything. I'm doing 3 plate ass cheek squats. I'm on top of the lifting world.
That's cool, PM them. You responded to my post and corrected something you thought was incorrect/possibly confusing. I'm okay with that, no idea why it needs to go into a greater narrative, but I'll bite.
The low bar squat(figure on the right). From the book starting strength. I consider that to be on the upper back, but don't take my word for it.
Here are some excerpts from the book Starting Strength:
(figure 2.5 shows a person in a low bar squat)Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
Mark Rippetoe said:
I can keep going, I'm less than 10% through the book with these quotes. Do you want me to keep going?
Nope.
Well I think Timedog proved his point. LolThat's cool, PM them. You responded to my post and corrected something you thought was incorrect/possibly confusing. I'm okay with that, no idea why it needs to go into a greater narrative, but I'll bite.
The low bar squat(figure on the right). From the book starting strength. I consider that to be on the upper back, but don't take my word for it.
Here are some excerpts from the book Starting Strength:
(figure 2.5 shows a person in a low bar squat)
I can keep going, I'm less than 10% through the book with these quotes. Do you want me to keep going?
That Wendler article on the Press is fantastic. Speaking of, I heartily agree with the gentlemen when he says that false grip is best. I track much better with the false grip, regardless of weight, than with standard grip. I cant say the same for the bench, but I just can't go back to standard grip on my press.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I still would not call it the "back" in the interest of giving advice. The images (and descriptions) given in the book clearly outline what is being talked about in regards to position, your post did not.
You sure did prove that Rippetoe says back though, so in that regard, I'm wrong.
He merely latched on to one point of my post, that being the use of the word "back" interchangeably with "shoulders/traps."
To which I still feel his post is misleading, uninformative and dangerous. He still needs to do what I said before. And that's to be more clear about what he's talking about.
That sounds hot. I have some pecans for you to crack.
You sure did prove that Rippetoe says back though, so in that regard, I'm wrong.
He merely latched on to one point of my post, that being the use of the word "back" interchangeably with "shoulders/traps."
To which I still feel his post is misleading, uninformative and dangerous. He still needs to do what I said before. And that's to be more clear about what he's talking about.
That sounds hot. I have some pecans for you to crack.
Domino Theory
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Is it normal to be able to do your bw for Chin Ups but not for Pull Ups?
A fair point, and I'm fine with you correcting any confusion in that regard.
Was there anything else that you felt was incorrect in my post? I thought that was what this whole thing was about. Or was the main thrust of your post an appeal to authority?
cuevas. PhD.
Member
Chin ups are easier.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yes, chin ups are easier, presumably because they incorporate more bicep. Pullups are more lat centric.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no pullup pro.
Bar position for squat.
Tried to find a good highbar image to go with this and failed, didn't spend a lot of time looking though.
MrOogieBoogie
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
What the fuck is hanging from her right hand dumbbell?
Also, that should be standard uniform for hot women in the gym.
Also, that should be standard uniform for hot women in the gym.
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