They either are doing it for the ego ("Yeah, I squat 315, nbd.") or they don't know any better. Only a small percentage of the squatters in my gym do it properly.
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They either are doing it for the ego ("Yeah, I squat 315, nbd.") or they don't know any better. Only a small percentage of the squatters in my gym do it properly.
opticalmace
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Hey guys, what do you think of this for $60? /beginner.
http://london.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-exercise-equipment-Weight-bench-for-sale-170lbs-excellent-condition-W0QQAdIdZ369966169
http://london.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-exercise-equipment-Weight-bench-for-sale-170lbs-excellent-condition-W0QQAdIdZ369966169
Part of the issue lies with your staggered recovery (nonstop stalling as you called it a while ago) is part of why I think things are getting messed. Another issue is your light bodyweight (132) and the fact that you're pressing close to 70% of your body weight for reps.
While postworkout nutrition is a very real thing, it's not quite of a huge deal as some people take it. Proper programming, nutrition, etc are key. I wouldn't look at it as, "aw fuck, the anabolic window is closing."
A lot of supplement companies like to stress the important of pre, during, and post workout nutrition, so you just need to keep fucking eat all the time because you need your pre nutrition to ready you for the workout, the during to sustain the workout, and the post to recover from the workout.
Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength 3rd edition has a detailed explanation of the big barbell lifts, along with some accessory lifts. It also details what to look for in a gym/home gym area. It's on Kindle for $10.
1. about 280 lbs
2. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ryanm12.htm
Jacked is just creatine and a bunch of stimulants. It's okay just for the creatine, but don't expect to go super swole anytime soon.
hawkshockey11
Banned
That still seems really high. What do you say for 6'0?
It is true that certain drug effects can gradually decrease...but in your example you said that you became instantly resistant because you used too much the first time. Unless I misunderstood, that just doesn't sound possible. Some people are just naturally more resistant to various things than others.
I forgot when I said nonstop stalling, but maybe I exaggerated. I can't seem to recall the exact context. With OHP yea, it's hard for me to go up every week. I stall at each 5lb increment at least once. But again, isnt that part of the program? I go up 5lbs, if I can't do it I try again next time. Is pressing 70% of my bodyweight that low?
And damn, 240?? I can't imagine myself with another 100 pounds...
edit: Yea, what evilore posted seems much more ideal for me.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yep, even worse, I see trainers have people doing quarter squats in the smith machine, but one trainer has a fantastic ass (like the best ass I've seen in my life) so I don't give a shit.
It's like she stuffed two frozen Christmas hams into her yoga pants, glorious.
And then I wonder if the people doing 3 plates barely going down think they are as strong as me doing the same weight and going way past parallel. Stupid stuff I think about when I'm by myself lifting.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Of course they do, just like the guys trying 3 plates for bench press in a smith machine. Most of them don't even know the "bar" doesn't even weigh 45lbs, not to mention it's not even the same fucking thing.
Oh yeah...I've had many converstaions with people telling me how they squat on the smith machine because it's better for their knees. Always fun.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah, I had an argument with a cousin about that this weekend. He insisted the smith machine was a squat rack and became even more confused when I tried to explain to him why it isn't, and why he shouldn't use it. He also insisted that you can't process more than 30grams of protein in a sitting and that Arnold is proof of that.
I had to leave.
lol. Yup, that's the best thing to do.
hawkshockey11
Banned
On Friday there was a huge guy benching 395 and every single person was watching him do it. Needless to say he failed on the third rep and dropped it on his chest. A ton of people rushed over and the fucker just casually rolled it off of himself before anyone could help and then finished his set. I almost gave up when I looked at was I was benching.
Rice-Eater
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5'7 155-160ish:
As someone who is also 5'7, this is pretty close to the ideal body that I've always wanted. Maybe someday lol.
Ideal weight for men who are competing in bodybuilding contest like Mr. Universe(Jay Cutler is somewhat close to this size)? Most men at that height would not want to be at that weight even if they're incredibly muscular and super lean.
Give up? Eff that. That dude's workout is this dude's warmup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxT1EO11gG8
There's always somebody bigger. Just makes me get pumped to get stronger when I see big dudes.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Gonna try 215x3x5reps tonight. We'll see what happens!
Is that at weigh in or on fight night?
5'7 155-160ish:
Is that at weigh in or on fight night?
parrotbeak
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He fights at 145. Aldo has gotta be solid as fuck in his core and bones. I think most 5' 7" guys would be a little plumper at 160 just cuz most people are not as dense as an elite mma fighter. Also from observation from friends who are around that weight and height.
Rice-Eater
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That looks like a fight night pic, so I'm sure he's probably 160 or so by then.
He fights at 145, but like almost every fighter he cuts weight. Basically that's not his true weight, fighters will spends days or even a week cutting water weight, sometimes over 30 pounds to make weight. And they gain it all back over night when they eat and drink tons of fluids. As for his height to weight ratio. he has plenty of muscle mass to be at that weight. He's just low in body fat. I'm 5'7 160, but I'm probably like 17% body fat so I look no where near as good as he does with my shirt off.
parrotbeak
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Ya, a lot of people also tend to have fat around their organs deep in their core (see MJ's book You're Fatter Than You Think You Are). My guess would be he is pretty solid throughout. Bones are going to be way denser than normal people's from kicking so much and that will add weight too.
I could be wrong but I don't think guys at 145 typically cut 30 lbs. Evil is probably right at around 155-160 for him. Especially his last cut, he looked amazing against Mendes.
hawkshockey11
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I have an extremely low BF% naturally and it is not being raised very easily (I do GOMAD and eat on top of that so no an issue with diet). Muscle mass is gaining though. If I am lucky I will continue to gain muscle and my BF% will stay low the whole time and I won't have to cut.
I used this site to calculate BMI, and it says I have 11% and am an athlete. That can't be right :lol I am no athlete. What's the best way to find my BMI?
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/body-fat-calculator/body-fat-chart.php
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/body-fat-calculator/body-fat-chart.php
parrotbeak
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M_A_C
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yeah, he also answered two of my questions, and he answered them exactly how I thought he would.
Shit like low weight "health" lifts like lateral raises and face pulls should not be counted in your templates, and thus, should be done without worrying about "overdoing it" in regard to your template.
He did preface this by saying "I'm not Jim, but..."
Since I'm using his assistance routine (periodization table), I know now what I must do.
Also, the fuck did he eat like that and survive? He must have been a skinny fucker.
parrotbeak
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Haha, ya, I saw your questions. Makes sense, stuff like 15-20 rep facepulls don't really seem to make any difference in recovery time. It seems more just activating and increasing endurance of support muscles.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Yep, just wanted to get his view of it, even if I already "knew" the answer. I've been doing it like that for months now. It's all but completely fixed my right shoulder (rotator cuff was a bit iffy for a while).
BMI won't help much. If you mean body fat, invest in some calipers.
BlueScrote
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I can't find it now, but a while back someone posted a 5/3/1 BBB Spreadsheet. Can anyone care to re-link me to it?
opticalmace
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Hm, I'm not seeing too much on my local classified. I found a couple but they are $300+ for a set, is that about normal?
Maybe it's just cheaper to go to the gym lol.
edit: How about this one? http://london.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-exercise-equipment-290-lb-set-of-Olympic-Weight-with-7-bar-and-York-bench-W0QQAdIdZ369665266
Thanks for your input.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That was Kyle, it was a BBB excel spreadsheet. Try searching for that.
BlueScrote
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I thought it was him but failed finding anything relevant in search
Thanks!
Pressing 70% of your bodyweight is pretty high. You're getting to the point where you will either need to gain more bodyweight or switch to a program that doesn't make use of linear progression.
and the 240 lbs stuff is just a joke. However, I don't think most guys should weigh as light as 130 ish unless you're a lightweight athlete of some sort. I have a friend who is about that weight and is just skin and bones.
It's kinda like Fight Club; the first rule is to talk to anyone about it. Mainstream fitness media and the misinformation that arises from the internet has formed a very strange image of health in today's society. It's best to not talk about it with anyone who is not a lifter.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Pretty easy protein recipe.
Canned tuna
Capsicum (bell peppers)
Red onion
Plain yoghurt
Slice the onions and capsicum up finely, mix with tuna and yoghurt and done.
All ingredients raw, takes about 5 minutes. Eating now and its pretty alright.
Canned tuna
Capsicum (bell peppers)
Red onion
Plain yoghurt
Slice the onions and capsicum up finely, mix with tuna and yoghurt and done.
All ingredients raw, takes about 5 minutes. Eating now and its pretty alright.
parrotbeak
Member
Something similar, I like to dice up salami and cucumber and mix it into greek yogurt.
M_A_C
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Thats probably about right, and I assume you could offer him less. That bench is kinda sucky but would be fine for a beginner.
Just keep an eye out for a good deal because people buy this stuff, then never use it, and their fat wife wants them to get it out of the garage.
Here are a few from my area that are probably priced similar:
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/spo/2948853945.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/spo/2948039353.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/spo/2927708999.html
I have a real problem with flexibility and balance once I get around parallel. I dont know if its just cuz I'm top-heavy or what, but I cant get that low and not feel like I'm tipping over. Its really not comfortable, either. Like it feels like I'm overstretching myself, even just doing a standing squat with no weight.
I definitely get more than 45 degrees, though. I'm still feeling it, but I know I suck at squats. Feels like my body just isn't built for it or something. I'm thinking of getting on the leg press machine instead.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Question: Although I'm already very lean and cut, I do eat shit ton of carbs. I'd say I'm easily eating over 200g of carbs a day. If I reduce my carb intake to say 80g a day, would I start looking even more cut/define/stridation?
Would seem hard for me to do. I already eat a cut of oatmeal for breakfast, which is like 50g of carbs alone. Hell, even eating two bananas a day, that's like 40g of carbs, too, right?
Would seem hard for me to do. I already eat a cut of oatmeal for breakfast, which is like 50g of carbs alone. Hell, even eating two bananas a day, that's like 40g of carbs, too, right?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Sounds like a mobility/flexibility issue.
I had a guy tell me my vibrams were bad for squatting since you can't get full ROM. I told him I could, and he wanted me to prove it. He couldn't believe it when I went ATG with my heels on the ground still. He showed me his squat barefoot, and his heels came off the ground every time.
Some people need to get their form/mobility/flexibility in line before they worry about improving their lifts.
Yes, but you would also be affecting your workouts significantly. After a few days you'd be pretty fatigued and your lifts would be down. If you're looking to get more cut before the summer, bring your carbs down to 180-150 grams a day. You'd still have enough to have a good workout and not lose progress on your lifts.
Spiritreaver
Member
Yeah, if you're on a cut and take out carbs, it will definitely help progress fat loss. You will lose energy though. If you're thinking of cutting carbs I would recommend looking at a carb cycling program, it allows you to a normal amount of carbs on heavy work days. I've used it with nice results, takes some time for your body to get used to it, but my energy has been high, lifts are fine, and I'm seeing myself cut up.
If you wanna cut up quickly, there's keto, but you can imagine how much worse no-carbing is. I only do it to shake things up.
FallingEdge
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Yeah, I would rather carb cycle or do the leangains approach where you eat a fair amount of carbs on WO days and very little carbs on non WO days. As carbs go down, you increase the amount of fat you intake and vice versa.
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