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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs

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ZombieFred

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MjFrancis said:
Better question: are you actually burning 1000 calories on a cross trainer?

Yes, I feel I'm definitely burning 1000 calories. I am keeping it at an average of 84 speed and only wearing air trainers, sticking to level 13. You should see how much sweat and how dark my t-shirt becomes, and how red my face is after. I know machines aren't the best place to trust on calorie count but everything is all correct stat wise and is professional gym equipment. I'm just wondering if it's good for my body to do those levels of calories burning.
 

Bit-Bit

Member
Cudder said:
Benched 155 yesterday for 3 reps, new record! yayayaya!

Congrats! I'm still at 130 for my max. But that's with dumbbells and I work out alone. I'll get the courage to increase it in another month or so.
 

X-Frame

Member
MjFrancis said:
It's like getting a flat tire, and instead of patching up the hole and continuing on your way, you slash the other three tires and douse the car in gasoline. The "I messed up one meal/day or whatever so I'm going off the wagon" attitude is self-defeating. One bad meal or bad evening is very manageable.
That's such a good analogy. Totally using that.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Cudder said:
Benched 155 yesterday for 3 reps, new record! yayayaya!

Congrats bud!

MjFrancis said:
It's like getting a flat tire, and instead of patching up the hole and continuing on your way, you slash the other three tires and douse the car in gasoline. The "I messed up one meal/day or whatever so I'm going off the wagon" attitude is self-defeating. One bad meal or bad evening is very manageable.


I'm a tire patchin' mofo.

Shit, I probably need new tires by now, haha.
 

Enco

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MjFrancis said:
It's like getting a flat tire, and instead of patching up the hole and continuing on your way, you slash the other three tires and douse the car in gasoline. The "I messed up one meal/day or whatever so I'm going off the wagon" attitude is self-defeating. One bad meal or bad evening is very manageable.
Heck, it's not even a flat tire. More like going over a bump or into a small pothole and then giving up.
 
Thank god for spotters. Had my first failures yesterday thanks to being sleep-deprived. was squatting 3x5 @ 155 and lost my balance during the third set. My neck is a little bruised but I'm otherwise fine. I'll start squatting someplace safer. Then I admitted I wasn't at one hundred percent and got a spotter before benching- lo and behold, halfway through the third set of 3x5 @ 130, failed and needed saved.

Goddamn I need to sleep better-it's fucked up so much of my life, I won't be denied lifting too, it's keeping me sane.
 

kylej

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Seeing better mass gains after lowering weight and doing slow, proper form reps. Taken me 4 months but I'm finally learning that more weight is not always better.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
kylej said:
Seeing better mass gains after lowering weight and doing slow, proper form reps. Taken me 4 months but I'm finally learning that more weight is not always better.


Shut your cum dumpster and do some god damned pushups!

Glad to hear you're making progress bud and yeah proper form is always the most important factor both in gains and in keeping yourself from breaking.
 

Cudder

Member
Question: Is it possible to feel "the pump" in all of your muscles? I've only ever REALLY felt it in my legs, forearms, and biceps. And that was because my spotting partner kept pushing me past the point of failure, and then proceeded to superset the last set with a MUCH lighter weight.

Lately, especially with the preacher curl machine, I've been doing realllly slow negatives, and finds it gives me the same kind of feeling.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Cudder said:
Question: Is it possible to feel "the pump" in all of your muscles? I've only ever REALLY felt it in my legs, forearms, and biceps. And that was because my spotting partner kept pushing me past the point of failure, and then proceeded to superset the last set with a MUCH lighter weight.

Lately, especially with the preacher curl machine, I've been doing realllly slow negatives, and finds it gives me the same kind of feeling.


"Pump" is overrated. Go for that "fuck I can't do anymore" feel.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
X-Frame said:
It's starting now if anyone is interested. Figure competition first I think.


Some of those dudes heads don't look like they belong on their bodies.

And their bodies are obviously held together by whale testosterone and saran wrap. So much juice going on here!
 
I know a few posters have touched on grip strength here, with regards to deadlifts, shrugs, pullups.
But when doing some searching, I've found that there are grip strength competitions. Maybe old news to you guys (and there is a competition for everything). Any of you guys into this?

There is a company that sells grippers, in resistance weights of 60lbs up to 365lbs. The 365lbs one, called "the #4" has only been "closed" under official conditions, by 5 people to date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_of_Crush_Grippers

Just thought this was cool.
 

X-Frame

Member
I just don't understand how you judge these figure competitors. Half of them look exactly the same. All are smoking hot though.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
mooooose said:
I pushed my legs so hard two days ago that it is physically difficult to walk today.

What the fuck do I do.


NOT SIT IN YOUR COMPUTER CHAIR.

Walking (getting blood flowing) will help.

Trust me, I feel you. I had to take two weeks off from squats/deads. This week (now) I walk like a fucking penguin.
 

X-Frame

Member
Alienshogun said:
NOT SIT IN YOUR COMPUTER CHAIR.

Walking (getting blood flowing) will help.

Trust me, I feel you. I had to take two weeks off from squats/deads. This week (now) I walk like a fucking penguin.

Absolutely. I think after a big leg day it really helps to just go for a 30-45 minute walk around the town. I always feel so much better when I get home just from a walk. Listen to some music or something and it flies by.
 

Veezy

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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
Seen something pretty cool today. A guy was wearing a hat doing his work out.. he then went and got changed and came out in a different hat.
Of course, brah.

One hat is for your gym swag, ya know, get that pump goin. Keepin that sweat out of your eyes after lookin at yourself in the mirror while your doin curls standing on that balance ball. Blazin that phone speaker, gruntin loud, making sure everybody knows how jacked and tan you are while your rock that BSN shirt you got in your order of N.O explode. FUCKIN PROTIEN. FUCKIN MUSCLE MILK. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN. CAN I GET A SPOT FOR MY SQUATS, ONE PERSON ON EACH SIDE, YOU KNOW I RUN THIS. HI FIVE BITCHES.

The other is for lookin like a boss on your way the club, son. For the ladies. Pro tip, lean that fitted 45 degrees to the right, starch that collar, and give em a wink.

Quick side note, back when I was "supplementing", I owned a BSN t shirt and had a fitted, that I wore with board shorts, specifically for the gym. Ah, those were the days. To be 21 again and think that was cool.
 

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
Sounds like it has potential to be 100% accurate of someone at the gym.

Had my first "Dude or a lady?" moment the other day. Grunts and screams that wouldn't be out of place in 300 (the movie)... no obvious cleavage. She then got up and started talking like a lady so yeah. The grunts will haunt me till the end of my days though I fear.

On another note, I think i have fucking tennis elbow from getting my fierce swoll on :(
 

X-Frame

Member
Veezy, how much were the doses when Arnold was "supplementing" compared to what BB'ers are "supplementing" with now?

Don't know if this is true, but I remember hearing Arnold & Co. just used enough to give them what any genetically-gifted 18 year old football player would be experiencing, whereas today it's on a whole other level.
 
So I'm thinking about cutting for 2 months. This will be my first cut and was wondering how much of a calorie deficit should I be at? I'm currently at around 17% bf and want to get down to ~ 13%.
 

bananaman1234

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-500 calories should be good. Listen to your body and decrease further if you feel like you're up to it. Supplement with increased physical activity.
 

kehs

Banned
X-Frame said:
Veezy, how much were the doses when Arnold was "supplementing" compared to what BB'ers are "supplementing" with now?

Don't know if this is true, but I remember hearing Arnold & Co. just used enough to give them what any genetically-gifted 18 year old football player would be experiencing, whereas today it's on a whole other level.

Arnold is austrian, those crazy islanders can look at a piece of chicken leg and gain like five pounds of muscle.
 

snoopen

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starting to add wide grip pull ups / dips (3 sets x failure each) to all my workouts at the end.. did well with legs day, hit pb on leg press and after normal program smashed out 3x12 dips and 10/7/5 pullups.. very wrecked.
 
Age: 21
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: ~130
Goal: It'd be nice to break 10.5 st so about 150 ideally
Current Training Schedule: I'm working out from home atm just doing whatever I can using myself and the equipment I own. The main reason I'm posting here is to work out a routine that I can follow from people who know more about what they're doing than me. I work out almost daily but nothing too intense, just something to wake me up in the morning after I've eaten and whatnot.
Current Training Equipment Available: got a pull up bar, push up grips and some 5kg dumbbells (as soon as my student loan comes in, I'm likely to purchase a better set of dumbbells that allow for extra weight to be put on and potentially get a bench too)
Comments: I used to exercise more but I realised this was practically detrimental due to my diet but now I'm sorting that out, eating a lot better and eating a lot more, cutting out shitty foods and drink in place of more wholesome food groups. I do however smoke and drink regularly being a student and despite this not seeming to affect my productivity, I know full well it is and also affecting my gains. I've also started drinking a lot more whole milk as a hardgainer just to top up on calories and recommended protein levels whenever I might be struggling to eat that much in a day. Would a single round of a weight gain shake supplement be worthwhile for me at this stage or should I wait until a few more months into it when I presumably reach a plateau?
My main aim of this is to look a bit bigger but also to improve my actual strength in applicable ways rather than to look good on the beach or what have you. It almost feels like my body weight is too light for bodyweight exercises which I know must be a decent sign that I'm healthy enough not to sweat my ass off doing 3 sets of pulls ups.

any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
All right GAF give me some critiques/science (bro or otherwise) on my timing of protein and creatine since I see we have a discussion going on:

Usually I will drink my creatine first thing in the morning, or sometimes about a half hour before I lift (which I start around 7:30-8pm or 3pm on the weekends). I almost always have a creatine shake sometime during the day as a snack, and whey with water right after a workout. Sound good? What do you all recommend as far as when to take creatine, and is it cool to take it with food/protein shakes? I remember my brother once telling me creatine will bond with food and become useless.

Progress: Last week I had to deload squats for the first time, I just could not get 240 up for 5x5. I even needed the oh shit bars on the last set :p But yesterday I did 235 like it was nothing so I'm feeling pretty confident that tomorrow won't be an issue! Also going for 175 bench, just two workouts away from benching my weight. It will be the first time I ever attempt it so I need to get some more power music.
 

Aurora

Member
Barnaby Jones:

I am of similar height and weight to you, and was in a similar predicament to you.
You should try and join a gym as soon as possible. A lot of gyms have special offers and discounts for students so money shouldn't really be an issue here. A membership at the gym will motivate you far more than doing things on your own, not to mention you will see MUCH better and faster gains.

As for the diet side of things, the main thing is to just eat more than you currently do, and then eat some more on top of that. I eat to the point where I am constantly satisfied or full up, I don't even feel hunger anymore. It seems extreme but your body actually likes constantly having fuel to digest, especially if you're working out a lot.

Instead of buying any weight-gain shakes, your best bet is to buy Instant Oats (available from myprotein.co.uk for around £10 for 5kg). They contain around 500+ calories per serving with whole milk and are really good for you, plus much cheaper than these bulking products. You should also ABSOLUTELY buy protein powder and take it twice a day, everyday, especially before and after a workout.

One last bit of advice, I would suggest not working out everyday. You will end up burning more calories than you can realistically consume, and you are also preventing your body and muscles to recover properly. I'd advise working out 4 times a week at the most.

I've done a lot of research and personally experimented a lot for this kind of goal, so feel free to ask if you want to know any more.

PS: if you're interested, I've got a referral code for myprotein.co.uk which nets you a 5% discount on your first order.
 

bananaman1234

Unconfirmed Member
HisshouBuraiKen said:
All right GAF give me some critiques/science (bro or otherwise) on my timing of protein and creatine since I see we have a discussion going on:

Usually I will drink my creatine first thing in the morning, or sometimes about a half hour before I lift (which I start around 7:30-8pm or 3pm on the weekends). I almost always have a creatine shake sometime during the day as a snack, and whey with water right after a workout. Sound good? What do you all recommend as far as when to take creatine, and is it cool to take it with food/protein shakes? I remember my brother once telling me creatine will bond with food and become useless.

Progress: Last week I had to deload squats for the first time, I just could not get 240 up for 5x5. I even needed the oh shit bars on the last set :p But yesterday I did 235 like it was nothing so I'm feeling pretty confident that tomorrow won't be an issue! Also going for 175 bench, just two workouts away from benching my weight. It will be the first time I ever attempt it so I need to get some more power music.
There is no immediate "window" in which you must take protein or creatine in order to achieve maximum gains. Long term research has failed to show there are any meaningful differences in nutrient timing. Just eat something a few hours before your workout and take your creatine and protein when convenient. And creatine does not bond with food but it will break down in water if left sitting for hours.
 
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