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Fitness |OT3| BroScience, Protein Dysentery, XXL Calf Implants, and Squat Rack Hogs
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sixteen-bit
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How should I take my Creatine and Whey Protein? One before and one after a workout?
sebajuNujabes
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Creatine before a workout. Lots of bodybuilders will take it right after too. You can take whey protein in the morning, right after a workout, or in between meals._dementia said:
Possible broscience incoming: creatine taken after a workout rides the coattails of insulin straight into your muscles. Creatine taken before a workout doesn't have time to make itself useful for the immediate workout. I just take mine 1/2 - 1 hour after my workout because it's convenient for me. Truth be told I've never seen nor read a proper study on creatine intake timing.
Oh, but I have read studies that show caffeine and creatine supplementation don't mix well. Consider that if you're hooked on espresso or 'energy drinks.'
Oh, but I have read studies that show caffeine and creatine supplementation don't mix well. Consider that if you're hooked on espresso or 'energy drinks.'
sixteen-bit
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Alright thanks guys. I used to take Creatine right after like Mjfrancis suggested, but I guess it couldn't hurt trying sebajuNujabes' method simply because it employs both products.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
MjFrancis said:
That's probably just because it's a diuretic and creatine needs water.
I take creatine then immediately drink a rockstar while I'm on the way to the gym and pound water while I work out. It seems to work fine for me, but then again, I may not know that I'm inhibiting myself either.
The studies I looked at noted that continuous, daily doses of caffeine inhibited creatine uptake completely. On the flip side, taking caffeine less frequently - and more importantly - timed before an intermittent sprinting session, helped performance significantly. The effect was described as ergogenic so that should transfer over to strength conditioning quite well.
Effect of caffeine ingestion after creatine supplementation on intermittent high-intensity sprint performance
Note that during the six days of creatine loading, no caffeine was administered at all. Likely because of the previous study that showed continuous caffeine intake was a no-go.
So how does that effect you, AlienShogun? For all I know, maybe not a damn bit. It makes sense though considering how the body builds a tolerance to continued caffeine intake that it would pack more of a punch when taken strategically - and much less frequently. You're probably getting to a fitness level where supplementation considerations make a larger relative impact, too, unlike the noob or intermediate who just needs to eat and work out to see progress.
Effect of caffeine ingestion after creatine supplementation on intermittent high-intensity sprint performance
Note that during the six days of creatine loading, no caffeine was administered at all. Likely because of the previous study that showed continuous caffeine intake was a no-go.
So how does that effect you, AlienShogun? For all I know, maybe not a damn bit. It makes sense though considering how the body builds a tolerance to continued caffeine intake that it would pack more of a punch when taken strategically - and much less frequently. You're probably getting to a fitness level where supplementation considerations make a larger relative impact, too, unlike the noob or intermediate who just needs to eat and work out to see progress.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
MjFrancis said:
Perhaps, but this seriously has me considering trying a week without the energy drink pre workout to see how it works.
cuevas. PhD.
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Alienshogun said:
Energy drinks being complete garbage should be encouragement enough.
Rocksteady33
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kevo_huevo said:Perhaps you could specify what kind of surgery you had? An arthroscopic procedure to clean your cartilage or remove loose bodies has a different effect on your body than total knee replacement or repairing an unhappy triad. Letting us know the extent of your injury could help us provide more fruitful advice
Sorry for being vague. I'm not exactly sure what caused it, but back last year I started having awkward pains in my knee, I thought it might be work out related, but also it could have been falling one night when I was drunk. I have no way of knowing. I got an MRI, it showed I had a torn meniscus. I stopped working out so I could get surgery on it after I graduated. They went in through arthroscopic surgery and they couldn't find the tear but the remove the fluids and said they shaved something down? Either way the surgery never really helped all that much so that's where I am now.
But any squatting seems to make it really uncomfortable and difficult to finish the exercise. As much as I'd love to see a personal trainer over it, I really don't want to deal with the doctor bills. :/
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
cuevas said:
Bah, the sugar doesn't bother me. That shit is like crack in a can and pushes me through.
It's amazing how important mental state is when working out. My first set of squats today was such a half-assed attempt that I felt like I couldn't even get out 3 reps on a weight that's supposed to be easy for me. I was telling myself that my body was sore and that I was tired and blah blah blah.
But by the second set I got into the right mindset, and made sure to have that "bounce" to my squat. Basically just went all out (while maintaining good form of course) and to make sure not to sit at the bottom of the squat and just get right back up. Little details like that matter. The rest of my workout went great after that.
Just remember, the biggest mental hurdle is that first rep. Get that right and your body will respond positively.
But by the second set I got into the right mindset, and made sure to have that "bounce" to my squat. Basically just went all out (while maintaining good form of course) and to make sure not to sit at the bottom of the squat and just get right back up. Little details like that matter. The rest of my workout went great after that.
Just remember, the biggest mental hurdle is that first rep. Get that right and your body will respond positively.
Saw this on Tony Gentilcore's blog .. holy crap ..
[The Worst] Health Clubs Around Town!
My lord .. vacu-fit? Infra-red technology? Gyro-scope?!
[The Worst] Health Clubs Around Town!
My lord .. vacu-fit? Infra-red technology? Gyro-scope?!
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
parrotbeak
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Is this for real or a parody?X-Frame said:
It's kinda hot.
This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
fredrancour
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Thanks. the only thing stopping me from doing standing is being too lazy to walk the 5 minutes to the proper gym, so I guess I should man up. If I'm already there I can practice my basketball stroke a little after liftingX-Frame said:
Parrot .. totally real.
Still, in a way I am not surprised. People will buy into any gimmick if it means they don't have to get down and dirty and actually train hard and eat right.
I walk longer than that from the parking lot to my gym doors.
Still, in a way I am not surprised. People will buy into any gimmick if it means they don't have to get down and dirty and actually train hard and eat right.
fredrancour said:Thanks. the only thing stopping me from doing standing is being too lazy to walk the 5 minutes to the proper gym, so I guess I should man up. If I'm already there I can practice my basketball stroke a little after lifting
I walk longer than that from the parking lot to my gym doors.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
parrotbeak
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X-Frame, are you doing overhead presses? Just wondering since I stopped after my sciatica returned but want to start again.
Is this for real or a parody?ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
parrotbeak
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Haha, ya this dude: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkTTo_bNlQEreilo said:
parrotbeak said:
I'm not doing presses of any kind, save for push-up variations. Because my main focus now and in the near future is to strengthen and increase the stability of my shoulders, I am doing only push-ups (regular, feet elevated, close-grip, un-even, etc) but with a lot of rowing and pulldown variations.
I want more functional strength right now before I start working on beach muscles. So it's all legs, hips, core, and back for me right now. Basically the OPPOSITE of what 90% of guys do in the gym. Lol.
So far my shoulder (after 2 surgeries) is feeling more stable, strong, and I have less aches from doing normal everyday things.
I also want to start incorporating loaded carries somehow. Farmer's Walks for example. Stuart McGill apparently did a study where he measured how incredible the core activation was during loaded carries. And since they're just basically moving planks, they should be great to use even for us with back problems.
The only thing I am worried about is how much downward pressure that is putting on the spine. Granted you are standing straight up so the discs are not uneven, but still if you're holding two 45 pound plates .. who knows.
Pantera - Walk
Fear Factory - Replica
DMX - Where The Hood At
Just a few of the tracks that I use to help get me going every now and again. Especially useful since I just finished week one of Pavel's Russian Squat Assault. It's like Smolov, but for wimps who couldn't take a four-days-a-week, thirteen-week pounding of squats. Like me! The transition from a pistols/deadlift training diet to a healthy intake of barbell back squats once again is dramatic. My squat isn't heavy enough for an effective utilization of Smolov anyways, but I hope to put some meat on my legs in the meantime.
Also, I usually don't listen to music while training unless I'm at home. But, when I need something to supplement the drive in me, these songs usually do a good job of kicking things off. I figure regulars will share their picks too. That's always fun.
Fear Factory - Replica
DMX - Where The Hood At
Just a few of the tracks that I use to help get me going every now and again. Especially useful since I just finished week one of Pavel's Russian Squat Assault. It's like Smolov, but for wimps who couldn't take a four-days-a-week, thirteen-week pounding of squats. Like me!
The transition from a pistols/deadlift training diet to a healthy intake of barbell back squats once again is dramatic. My squat isn't heavy enough for an effective utilization of Smolov anyways, but I hope to put some meat on my legs in the meantime.Also, I usually don't listen to music while training unless I'm at home. But, when I need something to supplement the drive in me, these songs usually do a good job of kicking things off. I figure regulars will share their picks too. That's always fun.
fredrancour
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X-Frame said:I walk longer than that from the parking lot to my gym doors.
yeah I know I'm being spoiled. A power cage or non-antique squat rack would be safer than our rickety old rack anyway. Gotta figure out what times of day the place isn't crowded.
and speaking of music, I realized today that I'd never lifted to Mastodon's Leviathan so I fixed that. I have never been so pumped.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
JESUS.
I think my disks shot out just watching that.
parrotbeak
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Ya, that's the thing that has stopped me from doing farmer's and suitcase walks. But for functional reasons I know I should start, as I regularly carry things back and forth from my parking to work or apartment.X-Frame said:
LOL. I walk 20 minutes from my parking to work one way. 5 minute walk wouldn't even be enough to warm me up for the gym. I need to run on the treadmill a bit when I first get there to warm up anyway. /kidsthesedaysfredrancour said:Thanks. the only thing stopping me from doing standing is being too lazy to walk the 5 minutes to the proper gym, so I guess I should man up. If I'm already there I can practice my basketball stroke a little after lifting
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
X-Frame said:
What about 4 of em.
Squats went fine yesterday, although 2 weeks without them and my legs, ass, abs and back are all having a serious bout of DOMS.
Tomorrow I go back to doing shoulders and deads. I'm gonna be a little weak, but here's hoping I didn't lose too much. I should still be able to do 185 5x5 press
Two questions I have, one of which can probably be solved by a quick Google.
1. Can I mix C4 and creatine?
2. Whenever I do any kind of physical activity, I get this lugi thing in the back of my throat. Most of the time, I end up going in the bathroom and end up throwing up a little bit to get rid of it. Anyone know what causes this?
1. Can I mix C4 and creatine?
2. Whenever I do any kind of physical activity, I get this lugi thing in the back of my throat. Most of the time, I end up going in the bathroom and end up throwing up a little bit to get rid of it. Anyone know what causes this?
Ok so here's the thing, I've been going to the gym since forever now but never really thought anything of it. I've been told my arms are too big for my size (I'm 5'6") but I didn't really think so... In fact I always thought they were kinda small (maybe I watched to many 80's cartoons growing up) Anyways today I received a blazer I ordered online. It's a nice one and the msrp is like 600 or something got it for like 250 on myhabit.com, it's nice. Bought it because I've never owned a blazer before and thought it was one of those things you need to have in your wardrobe... Anyways I put it on and I almost wanted to cry. My chest makes the outer lining stick out so it's straight, and I can barely move in the thing, I don't wanna return it though so that's why I'm posting:
Do you think the fabric will soften up so the outer part won't stick out? Is it acceptable to wear a blazer that fits like this? Am I just having unrealistic expectations?
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Do you think the fabric will soften up so the outer part won't stick out? Is it acceptable to wear a blazer that fits like this? Am I just having unrealistic expectations?
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
K701 said:Ok so here's the thing, I've been going to the gym since forever now but never really thought anything of it. I've been told my arms are too big for my size (I'm 5'6") but I didn't really think so... In fact I always thought they were kinda small (maybe I watched to many 80's cartoons growing up) Anyways today I received a blazer I ordered online. It's a nice one and the msrp is like 600 or something got it for like 250 on myhabit.com, it's nice. Bought it because I've never owned a blazer before and thought it was one of those things you need to have in your wardrobe... Anyways I put it on and I almost wanted to cry. My chest makes the outer lining stick out so it's straight, and I can barely move in the thing, I don't wanna return it though so that's why I'm posting:
Do you think the fabric will soften up so the outer part won't stick out? Is it acceptable to wear a blazer that fits like this? Am I just having unrealistic expectations?
TL;DR:
What I have:
What I expected:
What I got:
See a tailor.
Thoughts on combining whey protein and creatine?
I bought these two yesterday:
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold Standard http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QSNYGI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Optimum Nutrition Creatine Powder http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DYIZEO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I recently started working out much more often. I used to do it all the time but was both busy and lazy towards the end of college. Now that I'm in grad school I have a little more time on my hands to go to the gym every day.
I'm not doing a hardcore routine with complex exercises. Just basic stuff. Switching off every day between:
Day 1: Upper body lift and cardio for 20-40 min
Day 2: Lower body lift and no cardio
I'd appreciate input if you have any.
I bought these two yesterday:
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold Standard http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QSNYGI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Optimum Nutrition Creatine Powder http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002DYIZEO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I recently started working out much more often. I used to do it all the time but was both busy and lazy towards the end of college. Now that I'm in grad school I have a little more time on my hands to go to the gym every day.
I'm not doing a hardcore routine with complex exercises. Just basic stuff. Switching off every day between:
Day 1: Upper body lift and cardio for 20-40 min
Day 2: Lower body lift and no cardio
I'd appreciate input if you have any.
bananaman1234
Unconfirmed Member
SD-Ness said:
What do you mean combine? If you're talking about mixing up both in your daily intake then that's fine. It's what I do.
bananaman1234
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Splash Wave
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Confirm/Deny: indulging in one gigantic meal and dessert once a week is inconsequential to overall fitness if no cheating occurs during the other six days (and the cheat in question occurs on a gym day).
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
I think everyone has cheat days. Might as well do yourself in if you cant treat yourself every now and then.
I got some no carb beer...... not the best taste but oh well.
I got some no carb beer...... not the best taste but oh well.
bananaman1234
Unconfirmed Member
It really depends on what your goals are and how big this cheat meal is.Jimmy Stav said:
Splash Wave
Member
isoku said:
This week was exceptionally ridiculous: gigantic burrito (though not a particularly unhealthy one), a few supplementary tacos, and some cookies. I know I'm probably fine, but it almost feels worse when your discipline is impeccable throughout the week--like I'm undoing my work in a single night.
I'm cutting right now (and have been for awhile), doing SS and maintaining strength. And I've been making some small gains lately, though, which is surprising.
I've been pretty bad with my diet recently.
Gonna try improve it but the odd cheat meal isn't going to do any harm at all. Fitness should be fun and diets shouldn't be so strict that you detest every meal. It has to be something you can live with forever. A right balance of health and enjoyment.
Gonna try improve it but the odd cheat meal isn't going to do any harm at all. Fitness should be fun and diets shouldn't be so strict that you detest every meal. It has to be something you can live with forever. A right balance of health and enjoyment.
Enco said:
+1.
The easiest way to completely fuck up your diet and any chance you had at cutting body fat is to meticulously obsess over any time you stray from your diet. If you've got a weekend of fun, a BBQ, etc have fun and enjoy it. It's the people that will not over-think that and simply get back on their diet that can do this FOR LIFE and never have setbacks.
On the other hand, the people that will freak after they've "cheated" will then throw up their arms in defeat and say, "Well, guess my diet is over" and then stuff their faces because they're trying to be 100% perfect. Those are the people that fail diet after diet.
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ZombieFred
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Honest question gaf, is burning 1000 calories in 45 minutes on a cross trainer (level 13 out of 20) 3 times a week, doing around 6 miles, good for my body?
It's like getting a flat tire, and instead of patching up the hole and continuing on your way, you slash the other three tires and douse the car in gasoline. The "I messed up one meal/day or whatever so I'm going off the wagon" attitude is self-defeating. One bad meal or bad evening is very manageable.X-Frame said:
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