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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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Davidion

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it's been three days since I quit drinking coffee, it's 19:22 and time to go to the gym but my body begs me to stay home and sleep 15 hours....I am sleepy as fuck..

but I will go, I'll take it easy and slowly and see if running on the treadmill can wake me up.

I've found that chugging a small starbucks coffee-in-a-can is a helpful exercise starter.
 

Szu

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I've found that chugging a small starbucks coffee-in-a-can is a helpful exercise starter.

it's been three days since I quit drinking coffee, it's 19:22 and time to go to the gym but my body begs me to stay home and sleep 15 hours....I am sleepy as fuck..

but I will go, I'll take it easy and slowly and see if running on the treadmill can wake me up.

That kinda defeats the purpose of quitting coffee.
 
Before and after pics?

pictures please?
I may make a new before/after, but I'm kinda waiting till I'm stage ready.

What does one do when they reach the results they wished to achieve physically, without wanting to become bigger and bigger.

I imagine the progression of doing more reps, doing more heavier weights, doing various specific workouts to get what you want, to have a specific diet, and so on and so forth was a battle in of it self that always kept you "climbing the mountain" so to speak. But what do you do when you've reached the peak?

How do you keep that physique stable. You aren't trying to become bigger because it'll make you look like some freakishness Hulk. At the same time you don't want to decrease your current physique..so how do you keep yourself motivated? How do you keep yourself entertained essentially doing the same weights and reps for years and years and years until you say fuck it i don't care how i look anymore...'

I imagine the motivation must wane like hell.
I dunno. I'm with you on the first bit. My goals after my competition are less focused on strength, size, and other numbers, but rather accomplishments. I wanna play rugby. Go climbing. Stuff like that. So I can't really give you any idea of how you stay in a state of "maintenance" as I haven't hit the point myself. I thought I was happy at 176, but here I am at 186 with goals that will lead me hitting 200+.
 
Haven't posted here in a while, and my workouts have been sporadic since the holidays.. So I'm reading Starting Strength finally and will be getting an Olympic set in about a month. Meaning, an olympic sized bench, and about 300 lbs of weight (including the bar for it). Will add from there as needed. Trying to get one that has a squat rack with it.

Will be getting it off Craigslist so I can save quite a bit. If I had the money now, there's a nice set for $200 for all of the above, except squat rack. Hoping to get everything used for about $300.

is the set for $200 used or through a retailer?
 

abuC

Member
Gotcha. Seems interesting. I will read about that later today.



I'm almost 240 @ 18% bf. Maybe that can be me one day!

Fuck a abs.



I was between 252-258lbs at around 16-18%, and while I loved being bulky once I dropped weight and my abs started to show I changed my tune!
 
Dang we are so close, I'm 230 @ 19%

Haha nice. I'm just guessing my bf% but is seems about right.

I was between 252-258lbs at around 16-18%, and while I loved being bulky once I dropped weight and my abs started to show I changed my tune!

I really want to get to 245 before cutting but wherever I am at at the end of March after Smolov Jr. that is what I will have to work with. My guess is 240.

Cut down to 230 @ 13% bf.

You got any before/after pics?

Would you guys say a 3:2 ratio of quad:hamstring weight is fine?

I have no idea what you are talking about.
 

abuC

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Haha nice. I'm just guessing my bf% but is seems about right.



I really want to get to 245 before cutting but wherever I am at at the end of March after Smolov Jr. that is what I will have to work with. My guess is 240.

Cut down to 230 @ 13% bf.

You got any before/after pics?



I have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll have some more before/after pics soon, still cutting down but this was my 268lbs @ 25%+ body fat to 252-260lbs @ around 16-18%

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Gray shirt my weight fluctuated between 252-260lbs, black shirt I was between 264-268lbs.
 

Zoe

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Ran into my first curler in the squat racks today. And in between those sets he did body-weight squats >:|

Anyway, I feel like I'm in between weights on my OHP's. I can do the first set, but I can't complete the second and third at the same weight. Am I even accomplishing anything by doing more on the first set, or should I only focusing on increasing for the last set (and ultimately all three)?

(I'm already using 2.5's for my increases. Gym doesn't have 1's)
 
I'll have some more before/after pics soon, still cutting down but this was my 268lbs @ 25%+ body fat to 252-260lbs @ around 16-18%

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Gray shirt my weight fluctuated between 252-260lbs, black shirt I was between 264-268lbs.

Oh yeah I remember seeing those pics.

Good ish sir. Can't wait to see the final product!
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
it's been three days since I quit drinking coffee, it's 19:22 and time to go to the gym but my body begs me to stay home and sleep 15 hours....I am sleepy as fuck..

but I will go, I'll take it easy and slowly and see if running on the treadmill can wake me up.

How do you survive?!
 

sphinx

the piano man
How do you survive?!

I just need to... and let's leave it at that
(makes me pee like crazy! >_<)

so.. since this page is more or less headed towards being a pic fest, instead of going again like "oh, my core is bigger than one weeks ago, AMAZING!" I'll show some calves, they have gone from being non-existent to miserable, so that's something.


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I want fitness-GAF to beat that handily with pics of massive calves, show'em.
 

balddemon

Banned
Hard cider and rum the night before a lift day sometimes when people tip me too well.

I wonder if he got banned for telling someone to fuck off.

EDIT: ok, just went through what I take every day, in order of importance (in my mind)

  1. Protein
  2. Fish Oil
  3. Probiotics
  4. BCAAs when training
  5. Vitamin D
  6. Vitamin C

Gonna start taking Beta Alanine and see what effects that has on me. heard good things about it.
 

Zyphos

Neo Member
Could somebody try explaining IF to me? Been looking at Leangains (as I never ate breakfast anyway) and the biggest change in my routine would be working out fasted. I don't have access to straight BCAAs, just Whey, and I'm terribly confused as to I should go about my routine. What I've been looking at:

Wake up ~7:00 AM
School until ~1:30
Drink Whey, go to Gym, break fast after.
Begin fasting again at ~11-12 when I go to bed.

My biggest concerns are basically, just doing things wrong. I don't understand if a pre-workout meal is necessary, and the nutrition aspects of it. I'm looking to lose weight first and foremost so I can enlist in the Navy first and foremost. Additionally, my food options are fairly limited as I have little control over what foods I can eat.
 

MjFrancis

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Man, I hate to fill my ego, but it's finally starting to sink in how nice my physique looks. I see all these pictures/videos of competitors/models people post all over (here included) and I look as good, and even better than some. My transformation is nearly complete!

I can just imagine what a professional photographer could do to me.
You have no reason to be modest. You've put in the work and have the results to show for it.

I also believe you earned the titled of Undisputed Quad King of GAF somewhere along the line.
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
Could somebody try explaining IF to me? Been looking at Leangains (as I never ate breakfast anyway) and the biggest change in my routine would be working out fasted. I don't have access to straight BCAAs, just Whey, and I'm terribly confused as to I should go about my routine. What I've been looking at:

Wake up ~7:00 AM
School until ~1:30
Drink Whey, go to Gym, break fast after.
Begin fasting again at ~11-12 when I go to bed.

My biggest concerns are basically, just doing things wrong. I don't understand if a pre-workout meal is necessary, and the nutrition aspects of it. I'm looking to lose weight first and foremost so I can enlist in the Navy first and foremost. Additionally, my food options are fairly limited as I have little control over what foods I can eat.

Fasted workout is great for burning fat, and if you are far enough into it you have all the energy you need to lift.

Having whey will break your fast early pre exercise, Berkhan recommends BCAAs instead because of that.

I find that the biggest challenge of his 16/8 method is that you risk overeating during your feeding window as it sort of gives you permission to eat whatever for 2000-2500 kcal, and you might undereatimate that pizza. Also 16/8 was pretty limiting to me at least because I have to think about it every day and plan around it.

For me Brad Pilon's 5/2 method works much better, just two days a week, no risk of overeating because breaking fast has a tight rule of 500-600 kcal meal after, next day you aren't starving any more, and going from 8pm to 8pm without eating really ain't no thing.
 

DeadNames

Banned
Wowee... This new fancy electric scale says I'm at 48% bodyfat...

There is NO WAY that's true. At 5' 9" and 140 I am NOT at 48% bodyfat. I can see my damn ribs for chrissakes. I'm probably around 13%... I'm just lacking some muscle.
 

rando14

Member
Wowee... This new fancy electric scale says I'm at 48% bodyfat...

There is NO WAY that's true. At 5' 9" and 140 I am NOT at 48% bodyfat. I can see my damn ribs for chrissakes. I'm probably around 13%... I'm just lacking some muscle.

No worries, don't trust scale BF percentages.
 

DeadNames

Banned
No worries, don't trust scale BF percentages.

It was just totally out of the blue... I guess I'll have no real way of testing my BF% until I get some calipers or find out the circumference of my neck or something. I could eyeball it but that's not very effective.
 

Zoe

Member
No worries, don't trust scale BF percentages.

Or use a better one. All of the ones I've used produced consistent, reliable results.


It was just totally out of the blue... I guess I'll have no real way of testing my BF% until I get some calipers or find out the circumference of my neck or something. I could eyeball it but that's not very effective.

Did you input all of your stats correctly?
 
Smashed 82.5kg today on squats, my legs are exploding so fucking fast. I really need to step my upper bodies game up. Was going to post this regardless of pic fest (you all look lovely btw <3).

DNk1R.jpg


Look at them gains. This was the best pic i could get, my cameras focus wouldn't focus any other way. Its hard to tell, but I have this massive bump on the inside of my knee, only noticed this today!

On a semi-related note, I'm having a hard time with deadlifts. Failed 100kg today so obviously i'm not ready, but I don't feel its to do with my legs, it's my grip. My forearms are really small and I'm losing grip of the bar.
 

rando14

Member
Smashed 82.5kg today on squats, my legs are exploding so fucking fast. I really need to step my upper bodies game up. Was going to post this regardless of pic fest (you all look lovely btw <3).

DNk1R.jpg


Look at them gains. This was the best pic i could get, my cameras focus wouldn't focus any other way. Its hard to tell, but I have this massive bump on the inside of my knee, only noticed this today!

On a semi-related note, I'm having a hard time with deadlifts. Failed 100kg today so obviously i'm not ready, but I don't feel its to do with my legs, it's my grip. My forearms are really small and I'm losing grip of the bar.

Deadhangs, farmer walks, shrugs. Turn those girly hands into man hands
 

Zyphos

Neo Member
Fasted workout is great for burning fat, and if you are far enough into it you have all the energy you need to lift.

Having whey will break your fast early pre exercise, Berkhan recommends BCAAs instead because of that.

I find that the biggest challenge of his 16/8 method is that you risk overeating during your feeding window as it sort of gives you permission to eat whatever for 2000-2500 kcal, and you might undereatimate that pizza. Also 16/8 was pretty limiting to me at least because I have to think about it every day and plan around it.

For me Brad Pilon's 5/2 method works much better, just two days a week, no risk of overeating because breaking fast has a tight rule of 500-600 kcal meal after, next day you aren't starving any more, and going from 8pm to 8pm without eating really ain't no thing.

Yeah, I understand the Whey will do that. Berkhan mentions that the calories from the Whey are an acceptable substitute for BCAAs. In other places he also mentions pre-workout meals, which is where the confusion is coming from
 
Squats are so much fucking easier when you don't watch yourself in the mirror

LOOK DOWN PEOPLE! BUILD THAT MOTOR LEARNING/MUSCLE MEMORY!

Also from the last page: That Manginiello guy is 6'5 he's a big dude, 240lbs on a 6'5 frame isn't monstrous by any means (still pretty big, though) but you don't need to be hulked out to cut down to his current size. You're not going to get that physique with P90x and you're certainly not going to get it in a few weeks or even a few months, but it shouldn't take years if you've got a decent build already. However the average person won't be able to attain a physique like that ever, it just takes way too much work. You've got to eat sleep, and breathe the lifestyle just to achieve that look, and don't even get me started on trying to maintain it.... Not trying to discourage anyone, but if it was easy a lot more of us would look like that. I certainly don't.
 
Yeah, I understand the Whey will do that. Berkhan mentions that the calories from the Whey are an acceptable substitute for BCAAs. In other places he also mentions pre-workout meals, which is where the confusion is coming from
Pre-workout meals are for the people who work a 9-5 job or something similar. You're not going to wait until 7 pm to eat your first meal and then cram in 3,000 calories in 4 hours then go straight to bed. So you have to have 1-2 small pre-workout meals (20-30% of your daily calories) the last of which should be at least 2 hours prior to lifting. Then post-workout you eat your big 60-70% of calories for the day meal which should be loaded up with carbs and protein.

If your schedule will allow it however, he suggests training roughly 15-16 hours after going to sleep the previous night. Which would ideally have you training roughly 7-8 hours after you wake up, then taking some BCAA's 20 min prior to your workout, and then eating your first and largest meal of the day immediately post work-out and then 1-2 small meals following that.
 

Veezy

que?
Since I've drifted away from SS... Should I still work out every Monday, Wednesday and Friday with maybe some running in between?

That's a fairly generic question with about 651498419843684384 answers. :)

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Monday
AM: Fasted walking (20-30 min) (aka, walking on an empty stomach)
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins (ladder push ups/chins)
Burpee workout (VC 1)(work towards this)
PM: Weight training
Press 2 x 5, 1 x 5+ (increase 2.5 lbs per workout, drop down 10% on reset and aim to beat your previous last set reps)
Weighted chins 2 x 6-8
Squat 2 x 5, 1 x 5+ (5lb jumps)
Neck harness 4 x 25 (not required, but gives you big neck and traps)

Tuesday
AM: Fasted walking (20-30 min)
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins
Burpee workout (VC 1)

Wednesday
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins
Burpee workout (VC 1)
PM: Weight training
Bench press 2 x 5, 1 x 5+ (2.5 lb jumps)
EZ curl bar curl 2 x 10-15
Deadlift 5+ (5lb jumps)
Neck harness 4 x 25
High intensity conditioning session (barbell complex, short XF WOD, one of the Grayskull conditioning workouts)

Thursday
AM: Fasted walking (20-30 min)
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins
Burpee workout (VC 1)

Friday
AM: Fasted walking (20-30 min)
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins
Burpee workout (VC 1)
PM: Weight training
Press 2 x 5, 1 x 5+
Weighted chins 2 x 6-8
Squat 2 x 5, 1 x 5+

Saturday
Throughout day: Frequency Method Push-ups and Chins
Burpee workout (VC 1)
High intensity conditioning session
 

Zyphos

Neo Member
If your schedule will allow it however, he suggests training roughly 15-16 hours after going to sleep the previous night. Which would ideally have you training roughly 7-8 hours after you wake up, then taking some BCAA's 20 min prior to your workout, and then eating your first and largest meal of the day immediately post work-out and then 1-2 small meals following that.

I can more or less do that. Have to substitute Whey for the BCAAs, and eat right after lifting.
How much of a difference would it make if I was to eat two mediumish meals and a smaller meal? Or even just the two medium meals, assuming they're all calorically identical?

And Cardio as well. Would I just do that on my off days?
 

Chittagong

Gold Member
Yeah, I understand the Whey will do that. Berkhan mentions that the calories from the Whey are an acceptable substitute for BCAAs. In other places he also mentions pre-workout meals, which is where the confusion is coming from

...and sadly there is little chance to confirm what he actually meant given his massive meltdown of quitting the interwebs
 

Cabaratier

Neo Member
Guys what are your thoughts on ZMA, I heard it's good for a deeper sleep which is the main reason why I am considering buying it. Also has anybody who has used this felt a difference in terms of strength and performance?

Been taking it for about three months, no difference in strength or performance as far as I can tell, but it's absolutely worth its price as a sleeping aid. I sleep longer if I want to (which i need and couldn't do) but mostly far deeper and better than I did, even if it's only for 6 hours or so. There does seem to be a general two week period of extremely vivid dreaming before your body get used to it and you start dreaming/not dreamng normaly again.
 

Gintamen

Member
So I am doing various abs and legs workouts, 30-35min per day. Should I take one day rest during the week or is it fine to just continue going?
What kind of workouts, aerobic, with weights, bodyweight? Some more details would be helpful. Just don't train the same muscle groups every day.
 
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