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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT9| Dedicated to Morosini & others who didn't make it. RIP.
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Mr Cox argued that this is what Keita was brought on for. Pique can fill the "big man up front" role but he went off injured early on and was replaced by Alves.
Barcelona played like any other team using possession football without Messi. The Barcelona difference is Messi, and when he's missing Barcelona is just like any other top team. Also, it looks like they don't have any intention to do something "outside the box" (heh, see what I did there?)... they stick with their plan no matter what.
It makes sense. It as telling that Puyol was sent into the box as a battering ram late in the game as well.
By the way, its heart warming that Di Matteo who was sacked for being not good enough at West Brom last season has guided this team to the CL final. Dream story for him.
lolz
pulga
Banned
This. Same thing I said a couple pages back. Barca got lucky with Messi. Just look at Arselol in the PL.
Arselol, the team sitting third despite losing their best player last year and nearly half their starting team to injuries?
Nope. The problem is Barcelona sticking with just one way of making goals. You know, look for other options not just passing the ball around. I haven't watched Arsenal this season, but the last season they played good football without being completely null in ideas like Barcelona was yesterday.
This Barcelona is exactly like the Louis van Gaal's Bayern 10/11. No ideas, just pass the ball around for 90 minutes.
Possession football is good, but you need to know what to do with the ball when you have it. Barcelona relies in having Messi doing incredible things, but when he's out of form they fail to make something good with the possession.
Yeah, Barca were really lacking creativity yesterday. Though being behind in a semi-final is a tough situation, the other team can just put all their players to defend and that's what Chelsea did. But Barca just kept passing the ball outside the box, with little intention of shooting without being 5 feet from the goal. All their crosses were useless too (they don't even cross from corners).
I dont know man, when the other team has 10 players in their box what other chance do they have than trying to find a hole somewhere by passing it around?
Shoot over them.
They had a lot of chances to make long distance shots. I'm pretty sure players like Messi, Xavi can make a freaking long shot.
If it was impossible to score against 10 players defending then football wouldn't make sense at all. All the teams would make a goal and then defend with 10 players.
Or a fast high or low cross in from outside the box.
We're in a similar situation with Liverpool in that we just never have any ideas to beat a bus parked in front of goal. Except we have a better team with Hendiesta, Spearavi and Suassi
With so many players defending, a shot from outside the box could get deflected pretty easily.
Cech could have had his vision affected too.
:lol
Cech could have had his vision affected too.
:lol
Precisely. Without the threat of shots outside the box, Chelsea were never forced to break shape to close down players on the edge of the box.
We'll have a much harder time defending against either Bayern or Real, I imagine. Oh well, still feels a little surreal that we made it to the final.
+ Kuyta.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
That tells me more about Barcelona's simple-mindedness in approaching the goal than about Chelsea's turtling tactics. Who's the one at fault here?
This is like people complaining about not being able to land a hit against a TIGER SHOT-spamming Sagat in Street Fighter.
Damn Ronaldo, stop eating so much
I didn't recognized it was him until you pointed it out so I had to do a second take.
LOL. Are we talking about vanilla Sagat though.
yellow submarine
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TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER TIGER ... Uppercut!
I guess Chelsea was holding block in the corner and only doing leg sweep + hadou/shoryuken combinations when they got an opening.
Some please insert Valdes-tigerknee.gif here.
Barcelona-TigerUppercut videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTMA5og-Wwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1uqi8Z_L10
Insane, but it counts for nothing now.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Uh oh. Don't tell Meus that. Possession > goals
Gonna name the new metric after Meus.
I don't get why people are criticising the approach Chelsea took. This season they've played high lines, built from the back, varied their play and got fucked repeatedly in the Premier League.
The only times I've seen Barcelona lose in the last few years is if they're complacent and turn up assuming they're going to win (see the Osasuna match a few weeks ago, they barely tried until they had let in the third. Their talent is good enough for them to go through the motions a lot) or if someone nullifies their tiki taka. I think Madrid on Saturday and Inter's first leg a few years ago were better performances, but - especially in Madrid's case - they had players that break fast, defenders with pace that can adapt to high lines... The last few matches when Madrid have attacked and caught Barcelona unawares is a mixture of Barca assuming Madrid are bitch made for them and because with Madrid's strengths they were in a position to nullify them. Chelsea don't have those strengths. Why lie back and take it up the bumhole strictly so Ruud Gullit can say the four times they got in Barca's half trying to retain the ball was nevertheless pretty despite a 5-1 loss?
The only times I've seen Barcelona lose in the last few years is if they're complacent and turn up assuming they're going to win (see the Osasuna match a few weeks ago, they barely tried until they had let in the third. Their talent is good enough for them to go through the motions a lot) or if someone nullifies their tiki taka. I think Madrid on Saturday and Inter's first leg a few years ago were better performances, but - especially in Madrid's case - they had players that break fast, defenders with pace that can adapt to high lines... The last few matches when Madrid have attacked and caught Barcelona unawares is a mixture of Barca assuming Madrid are bitch made for them and because with Madrid's strengths they were in a position to nullify them. Chelsea don't have those strengths. Why lie back and take it up the bumhole strictly so Ruud Gullit can say the four times they got in Barca's half trying to retain the ball was nevertheless pretty despite a 5-1 loss?
Sorry didn't read a thing you said. Too busy laughing at Bosingwa's face.
No criticism here. I thought Chelsea played a fantastic game.
I do have the sense that maybe, just maybe, Mou in particular has figured out how to unlock the Barcelona problem and its the notion of surrendering space wide.
My hope is that Pep will come back next year with an even more advanced style that will dazzle us all. Would be amazing to see if he can reinvent that team. Fergie does it with ManU every few years, maybe pep can do it too?
I do have the sense that maybe, just maybe, Mou in particular has figured out how to unlock the Barcelona problem and its the notion of surrendering space wide.
My hope is that Pep will come back next year with an even more advanced style that will dazzle us all. Would be amazing to see if he can reinvent that team. Fergie does it with ManU every few years, maybe pep can do it too?
I always get reminded of the woman in Dodgeball when I look at him
LabouredSubterfuge
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Meus Points = Possession + Flair + Deserve >>>>>>>>> Goals
pulga
Banned
The team who's been trophyless since..200-what now? Yes, Arselol.
Point of this was, Barca's been steamrolling the opposition BECAUSE of Messi, not because they play "possesion" football. When Messi's mediocre, Barca's mediocre.
Hmm, problem, how will this new metric fit in with the "moral victory" premier league table?
Grover Cleveland
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The football gods will truly be master comedians if Di Matteo wins the Champions League, the one trophy that Roman covets the most, in the same season that Villas-Boas got sacked.
Fuck moral victories. FFP will send City into a death-spiral and we can carry on as if they never mattered.
Torres scoring was incontrovertible evidence that the football gods have a sense of humor. Also Terry's red card I guess.
Fuck moral victories. FFP will send City into a death-spiral and we can carry on as if they never mattered.
£200,000,000 season ticket purchase incoming!
Such a strange goal, he was only there because he messed up a break and didnt track back quickly like Drogba had been.
Cool as you like finish though. Cant take that away from him.
I'm still amazed he managed to run half the length of the pitch without falling over.
lol
also
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/04/25/barcelona-2-2-chelsea-tactics/
For those of us who enjoy trying to understand the tactics post game.
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