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[Budi]

Last time I checked, editing a Word doc is not the same thing as playing a video game. The whole point of my comment was to point out how inefficient it is to use your living room TV as an office monitor. Even you admit this by explaining how people have a separate monitor available so as to not cause this conflict. If the entirety of your argument is that people should hook their only PC up to their main TV, then I'm going to point out that that isn't a solution most people can use.

Yeah editing the word doc is probably more important than playing that game if it's work related. But still I can't see it as a huge inconvenience, since people talk and know each other. There's a TV show coming that my girlfiend watches, I'm probably aware of it. So I don't schedule my working on that time. Like I don't need to play a console right at the same time. With services like Netflix and HBO you can watch whenever you please.

But sure I get your point. If I'm gaming and also working using the TV, it's going to be reserved more than if just used for gaming. But this is only an issue if you make it an issue, just like with console hooked up on the living room. It can cause arguments to some couples, when Bold & Beautiful is on TV but the other one needs to raid in Destiny with their friends. If communication and respecting others wishes and needs isn't an option, then get a second tv or a monitor for the PC/console.

There was a time when consoles were seen as kids toys and their place wasn't in the living room. It changed. There was a time when PC:s were seen as tools for basement dwelling nerds, it has changed too.

 

[EventHorizon]

What's your definition of typical though? In my experience, anyone else using my TV when I need to use it isn't typical. I use it as a gaming device, an office tool, a music studio, a media machine and a neogaf browser.

I am a 28 year old man living with my girlfriend. She wants to watch TV while I need to work on something? No problem, we have 3 tvs in the house, and multiple tablets.

You aren't a typical users so trying to portray your situations as something most people should do is silly. It sounds like you just made your living room into your office. With 3 TVs and multiple tables in a house for 2 people, no wonder there are very few conflicts. With that setup you'd have to actively try to step on each other's toes. I hope you are not trying to suggest that your setup is going to work for most people.

 

[MazeHaze]

Yeah editing the word doc is probably more important than playing that game if it's work related. But still I can't see it as a huge inconvenience, since people talk and know each other. There's a TV show coming that my girlfiend watches, I'm probably aware of it. So I don't schedule my working on that time. Like I don't need to play a console right at the same time. With services like Netflix and HBO you can watch whenever you please.

But sure I get your point. If I'm gaming and also working using the TV, it's going to be reserved more than if just used for gaming. But this is only an issue if you make it an issue, just like with console hooked up on the living room. It can cause arguments to some couples, when Bold & Beautiful is on TV but the other one needs to raid in Destiny with their friends. If communication and respecting others wishes and needs isn't an option, then get a second tv or a monitor for the PC/console.

I mean most people also own a phone, a tablet, and a laptop.

I only use my pc for word processing when my girlfriend doesnt want to hang out. She sits down and says "can we watch netflix"?

No problem. I just boot up netflix. I can break out my tablet and bluetooth keyboard.

How is that any different than when I'm playing ps4 and my gf wants to use the big tv?

 

[MazeHaze]

You aren't a typical users so trying to portray your situations as something most people should do is silly. It sounds like you just made your living room into your office. With 3 TVs and multiple tables in a house for 2 people, no wonder there are very few conflicts. With that setup you'd have to actively try to step on each other's toes. I hope you are not trying to suggest that your setup is going to work for most people.

I mean my gf and I both have a tablet, which is common. We have a big nice tv and a smaller monitor that is hers, and a tv upstairs. This isn't some far out rich fantasy land I'm living in.

Edit: we only have two tvs in the living room because we play overwatch together. I'm sure most people have a tv in the living room and one in the bedroom. To argue that is an atypical set-up is disingenuous imo.

 

[TKM]

For me I personally am not like typical Pc users who condemn anyone who doesn't, but I look at it from a standpoint that people want prettier games, and with a Pc you really can have yourself some mind blowing experiences.

Not that I don't game on my ps4, but I wouldn't be without my Pc gaming as you really can take the hobby to another level.

It's not that I refuse, I just don't care. Gaming is a hobby, a fun one, I don't need to maximize and take it to another level. There's good enough, and for me that's on a console.

I have a powerful PC set up for photography, it works just the way I want it to. I do not want to introduce more complications to it. PC for work/photos and console for play. Works for me.

 

[mnemonicj]

* I really don't care for my computer other than for work stuff. I'm still using the same laptop I bought 8 years ago and it still does well with Chrome, Vim, and my terminal.
* I have gamed for some time now and I have never really shared the graphics hype that a lot of gamers do. I just want the gameplay to be amazing and my controls to be as responsive as possible.

 

[Budi]

I mean most people also own a phone, a tablet, and a laptop.

I only use my pc for word processing when my girlfriend doesnt want to hang out. She sits down and says "can we watch netflix"?

No problem. I just boot up netflix. I can break out my tablet and bluetooth keyboard.

How is that any different than when I'm playing ps4 and my gf wants to use the big tv?

Hah well, for phones I don't see much use out of talking to someone and maybe playing bit of Clash Royale. I guess I'm old fashioned that way. I couldn't imagine watching a movie or TV series from my phone. Same with tablet, laptop maybe. For working laptop would be just fine though.

 

[MazeHaze]

Hah well, for phones I don't see much use out of talking to someone and maybe playing bit of Clash Royale. I guess I'm old fashioned that way. I couldn't imagine watching a movie or TV series from my phone. Same with tablet, laptop maybe. For working laptop would work just fine though.

I mean 99 percent of the time if I'm playing ps4 or pc, she goes upstairs and watches TV in our bedroom if she wants to watch something. I don't think that's crazy.


And if shes watching tv downstairs, I remote play on my vita or go upstairs with my ps4. Not a big deal.

 

[Leonidas]

There was a 10 year period where I was console exclusive.

I've been interested in PC Gaming most of my gaming life(subbed to PCXL, PC Gamer and Next-Gen). I bought a Voodoo 2 in 1998 after a few years of gaming on integrated graphics, then Dreamcast came out the next year and had better graphics, then Xbox came out at a low price and had great graphics.

It wasn't till the PS360 gen dragged on for too long on the same hardware that I needed the advancements that only PC could bring again. Now PC is my main platform.

 

[EventHorizon]

Yeah editing the word doc is probably more important than playing that game if it's work related. But still I can't see it as a huge inconvenience, since people talk and know each other. There's a TV show coming that my girlfiend watches, I'm probably aware of it. So I don't schedule my working on that time. Like I don't need to play a console right at the same time. With services like Netflix and HBO you can watch whenever you please.

But sure I get your point. If I'm gaming and also working using the TV, it's going to be reserved more than if just used for gaming. But this is only an issue if you make it an issue, just like with console hooked up on the living room. It can cause arguments to some couples, when Bold & Beautiful is on TV but the other one needs to raid in Destiny with their friends. If communication and respecting others wishes and needs isn't an option, then get a second tv or a monitor for the PC/console.

There was a time when consoles were seen as kids toys and their place wasn't in the living room. It changed. There was a time when PC:s were seen as tools for basement dwelling nerds, it has changed too.

You are now arguing against the setup that you said you know other people had to do to avoid conflicts. It's simple. Using your main living room TV as an office monitor is not a workable solution for most people. Why am I even getting push back on this? I have never seen this done in my life. I don't doubt it happens, but it definitely isn't common.

 

[Budi]

I mean 99 percent of the time if I'm playing ps4 or pc, she goes upstairs and watches TV in our bedroom if she wants to watch something. I don't think that's crazy.

Yeah I don't think so either. It's perfectly normal. When I lived with my parents, we had 4 TV:s in our house too. And we weren't rich either. The TV:s just weren't top of the line And two of these TV:s had my gaming machines hooked up to. And we had a PC too.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

It's not that I refuse, I just don't care. Gaming is a hobby, a fun one, I don't need to maximize and take it to another level. There's good enough, and for me that's on a console.

I have a powerful PC set up for photography, it works just the way I want it to. I do not want to introduce more complications to it. PC for work/photos and console for play. Works for me.

But that's what I don't get, why is adding games "more complications"?

 

[MazeHaze]

You are now arguing against the setup that you said you know other people had to do to avoid conflicts. It's simple. Using your main living room TV as an office monitor is not a workable solution for most people. Why am I even getting push back on this? I have never seen this done in my life. I don't doubt it happens, but it definitely isn't common.

In my experience of being an adult with a PC, it's extremely common. most people I know with gaming pcs have the same setup, and have had this setup for more than a decade.

 

[nickgia]

Figuring out how to build a pc is work. I don't like work.

 

[Randy Monk]

I have a multi monitor setup and I don't mind playing games on the pc but prefer the couch and Ps4 when gaming due to the distractions when at my desk.

Like having sex with mosquitos swarming over you. I'm looking at getting a steam link box soon.

 

[Budi]

You are now arguing against the setup that you said you know other people had to do to avoid conflicts. It's simple. Using your main living room TV as an office monitor is not a workable solution for most people. Why am I even getting push back on this? I have never seen this done in my life. I don't doubt it happens, but it definitely isn't common.

No they don't do it to avoid conflicts, they do it for convenience. You want to play a game of Rocket League on your PS4, but your girlfriend wants to watch a movie. Tough luck for you or the girlfriend. Have two TV:s or monitors, you both can do what you wished for. I'm certain you could do it too, if you just wanted to. But you don't, that's okay. Others do because it's possible.

I don't know how you thought I argued against myself, I just offered two easy solutions. Communication or more displays. Same problems come up with console and TV that come up with PC and TV. Sometimes your partner may want to use the TV at the same time. But people manage.

 

[psyfi]

I'm incredibly impatient when it comes to trouble shooting. I don't want to ever google "why isn't my game working," and in my experience with PC gaming I've had to do it more often than not. Consoles offer a relatively simple experience. Things work as intended for the most part.

 

[SalvaPot]

Nintendo games, mostly.

But I think "Refusing" its kind of a silly notion. If the game is available and easy to run, I'll play it anywhere, and I like using keyboard+mouse to play. But I do get distracted by the PC a lot when I am gaming on my computer, I can't just sit down an play, I feel the urge to multitask.

I played the entirety of Shantae with music almost muted because I just had to have a show in the background. I actually listened to the Shantae soundtrack while playing ANOTHER game.

 

[MazeHaze]

No they don't do it to avoid conflicts, they do it for convenience. You want to play a game of Rocket League on your PS4, but your girlfriend wants to watch a movie. Tough luck for you or the girlfriend. Have two TV:s or monitors, you both can do what you wished for. I'm certain you could do it too, if you just wanted to. But you don't, that's okay. Other's do because it's possible.

Also a 32 inch second tv can be had for like a hundred bucks. Why not?

Also his anecdotal evidence says it's uncommon, mine says it's common. Neither of us is onjectively right, but it's not some huge expensive hassle to have more than 1 tv or computer in the house. Chances are if you have two people living together you have multiple tvs and pcs.

 

[Budi]

Also a 32 inch second tv can be had for like a hundred bucks. Why not?

Also his anecdotal evidence says it's uncommon, mine says it's common. Neither of us is onjectively right, but it's not some huge expensive hassle to have more than 1 tv or computer in the house. Chances are if you have two people living together you have multiple tvs and pcs.

Yeah, because why not? If money is a problem then sure. I wouldn't get another TV at my current financial situation. But ofcourse if I was living with someone, we would have more money to spend than what I have on my own. Also it's likely that we both already owned TV:s before moving together.

 

[RevenWolf]

It's funny, I've had more crashes on Xbox one and the vanilla PS4 than I did with my pc.

It always confuses me when people say that consoles are less trouble, because personally I've had way more technical troubles on console rather that pc lol.

 

[EventHorizon]

I mean my gf and I both have a tablet, which is common. We have a big nice tv and a smaller monitor that is hers, and a tv upstairs. This isn't some far out rich fantasy land I'm living in.

Edit: we only have two tvs in the living room because we play overwatch together. I'm sure most people have a tv in the living room and one in the bedroom. To argue that is an atypical set-up is disingenuous imo.

Ok I get it. You are using your living room as an office. You got the main TV as a monitor, and your girlfriend has her own setup with a real monitor. It doesn't cause a problem for you because you are not using your living room as a living room. Once again, that is not typical.

 

[MazeHaze]

I mean here's our setup.

Chance are if you can afford a gaming PC and a 4k tv, a second monitor isn't gonna break the bank.

 

[MazeHaze]

Ok I get it. You are using your living room as an office. You got the main TV as a monitor, and your girlfriend has her own setup with a real monitor. It doesn't cause a problem for you because you are not using your living room as a living room. Once again, that is not typical.

I mean look at my picture, I'm totally using my living room as a living room. Looks pretty typical to me.

I'm also never in a situation where I need to work on my PC, I work in food service. Word processing and other PC activities are hobbies, just like gaming. No different than if I'm playing PS4. If the gf wants to watch netflix with me? I'm game, no worries.

If you're saying it's typical to do work on a PC, I'd argue that a large chunk of the population does work that doesn't involve PCs at all.

My PC is primarily a gaming and media device. And it works great in the living room.

 

[Crayon]

Part of the reason people stick to consoles is familiarity. McDonald's, Starbucks, target, etc go through pains t make sure stores give the same experience wherever you go. You can try a ps4 at a friend's house and be guaranteed the exact same experience when you get your own.

 

[Sarcasm]

Ok I get it. You are using your living room as an office. You got the main TV as a monitor, and your girlfriend has her own setup with a real monitor. It doesn't cause a problem for you because you are not using your living room as a living room. Once again, that is not typical.

I mean why have an office when he has a setup like that? All from a comfy couch. Everything from watching porn to word processing. Playing online with buddies. Image editing.

Acting like this is bad just because he got more options than just gaming on a console.

I mean yes you can watch porn on a console but using a controller to type -.-

 

[Wiped89]

'Refusing'. See this is the problem with snobby PC gamers. Right there in the very language used, there's an insistence that they are *right* and that everyone else *must* be wrong. If you love your big expensive PC setup, your awkward keyboard and your tiny monitor, fine, but please stop trying to make console gamers feel bad for the way they enjoy their hobby because it's different to yours.

 

[Twentytwo2277]

It's pretty frustrating to see people using "I like playing on the couch with my feet up" over and over again when there are pages and pages of people saying they play PC on the couch with their feet up.

You're right I could definitely do that with my PC in the living room, but having a keyboard and mouse on the coffee table and my PC tower in my living room is just another cumbersome thing to add to the living room. It's not much different than console preference. I like playing PS4 on my TV in my living room and PC games at my desk when I want to game on PC. Also I feel like I'd want a dedicated PC for gaming if it was in the living room and still a reasonably good computer for my desk for non gaming things. Too spoiled by two monitors and a nice big desk to be able to just use a laptop.

 

[EventHorizon]

No they don't do it to avoid conflicts, they do it for convenience. You want to play a game of Rocket League on your PS4, but your girlfriend wants to watch a movie. Tough luck for you or the girlfriend. Have two TV:s or monitors, you both can do what you wished for. I'm certain you could do it too, if you just wanted to. But you don't, that's okay. Others do because it's possible.

I don't know how you thought I argued against myself, I just offered two easy solutions. Communication or more displays. Same problems come up with console and TV that come up with PC and TV. Sometimes your partner may want to use the TV at the same time. But people manage.

Are you even reading what you write?

No they don't do it to avoid conflicts...
Have two TV:s or monitors, you both can do what you wished for.​

That is exactly avoiding conflicts. You are literally describing the situation I am talking about, and then just saying "Nah but that's not the same thing."

 

[Marty Chinn]

I mean here's our setup.

Chance are if you can afford a gaming PC and a 4k tv, a second monitor isn't gonna break the bank.

To be fair, the mere fact you have your PC hooked up to your TV automatically makes you not having a typical setup.

Also, no offense I hope, but you also mention you're living paycheck to paycheck and I'm sure a lot of people technically could afford to buy certain things because they physically have the money to do so, but a lot of people also strive not to live paycheck to paycheck too and are trying to at the very least have some savings for emergencies. So saying you could afford it while living paycheck to paycheck isn't exactly making it sound as easy as you claim.

 

[MazeHaze]

'Refusing'. See this is the problem with snobby PC gamers. Right there in the very language used, there's an insistence that they are *right* and that everyone else *must* be wrong. If you love your big expensive PC setup, your awkward keyboard and your tiny monitor
, fine, but please stop trying to make console gamers feel bad for the way they enjoy their hobby because it's different to yours.

I mean this can all easily be proven wrong by multiple posters in this thread, and by my picture a few posts up.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

'Refusing'. See this is the problem with snobby PC gamers. Right there in the very language used, there's an insistence that they are *right* and that everyone else *must* be wrong. If you love your big expensive PC setup, your awkward keyboard and your tiny monitor, fine, but please stop trying to make console gamers feel bad for the way they enjoy their hobby because it's different to yours.

I didn't mean it in a way to come across snobby

 

[Sarcasm]

I didn't mean it in a way to come across snobby

Not your problem you weren't being politically correct when there was very little need to be. People just read into things more then they should.

 

[MazeHaze]

To be fair, the mere fact you have your PC hooked up to your TV automatically makes you not having a typical setup.

Also, no offense I hope, but you also mention you're living paycheck to paycheck and I'm sure a lot of people technically could afford to buy certain things because they physically have the money to do so, but a lot of people also strive not to live paycheck to paycheck too and are trying to at the very least have some savings for emergencies. So saying you could afford it while living paycheck to paycheck isn't exactly making it sound as easy as you claim.

I said mostly paycheck to paycheck. I have a little cushion to wiggle with. But let's be honest here, my monthly bills and food and other expenses are well beyond the 1k needed to buy my computer. If I look at the value I've gotten out of my computer as a monthly expense, I've been paying around 90 dollars a month (ive had it for 11 months), and as months go by that number keeps going down. Solid investment here, no complaints.

edit: and that figure is less than I pay in 11 months individually for car insurance, phone bill, food, gas, electric, etc.

 

[TKM]

But that's what I don't get, why is adding games "more complications"?

It's adding hardware, drivers, and instability to my environment. I run the most vanilla stable drivers and settings I can to support the gear I have. Intel integrated graphics and drivers are fine.

I've been using PCs since the 386, I know how darn trivial modern gaming is to run in comparison. I just don't bother and I don't spend time thinking about whether it's a good decision or not.

 

[Boss Man]

I liked the idea of the Steam machine. I want a small box under my TV running an OS that is dedicated to games. I don't want to have to touch anything outside of that interface ever. It has to be a video game machine, and it has to make sense plugged into my TV and never needing any input besides selecting games with the controller and hitting X or w/e.

If I could upgrade the individual components of that box myself that would be great. That aspect I do like. I built a PC a couple of years ago and really enjoyed doing it. I did not enjoy the overall experience of playing games on it, though. There's a level of convenience, focus, and efficiency in game consoles that I prefer to the performance gains of owning a gaming PC.

 

[MazeHaze]

To be fair, the mere fact you have your PC hooked up to your TV automatically makes you not having a typical setup.

I'd also argue against this. I think having a gaming PC in general isn't a typical set up, but if you have one, hooking up to a tv sems pretty typical.

Chances are your living room TV is the best display in your house. Could I buy a 144hz gsync monitor and set up at a desk? Absolutely, but I'd think most people on any sort of budget (like myself) would just set the thing up in their living room and use their already nice TV. Loads of people across the world use their TVS as pc monitors. Why would I buy an expensive monitor in addition to my nice 4k HDR TV when games look phenomenal on it and I love playing on the couch?

I mean the amount of people saying they don't play pc because they like gaming on the couch, and then the amount of people saying "hey wait I totally play PC games on my couch" should tell you that it's pretty typical.

 

[Budi]

I mean here's our setup.

Chance are if you can afford a gaming PC and a 4k tv, a second monitor isn't gonna break the bank.

Looks slick!

 

[Marty Chinn]

I said mostly paycheck to paycheck. I have a little cushion to wiggle with. But let's be honest here, my monthly bills and food and other expenses are well beyond the 1k needed to buy my computer. If I look at the value I've gotten out of my computer as a monthly expense, I've been paying around 90 dollars a month (ive had it for 11 months), and as months go by that number keeps going down. Solid investment here, no complaints.

edit: and that figure is less than I pay in 11 months individually for car insurance, phone bill, food, gas, electric, etc.

Ya, but that's a bad way to rationalize it though. People think that way when they have things like credit card debt, or other debt that could be paid off, or even putting it into actual investments and retirement. So what may seem like affordable to you is actually going to those other things and maybe a school loan, a family, kids, etc. I don't know your financial situation is, and most definitely you're free to spend your money any way you see fit, but I think people choosing to utilize their savings on more important things is a reason why one would think they could not afford it while they technically do have the money on hand to do so.

I'd also argue against this. I think having a gaming PC in general isn't a typical set up, but if you have one, hooking up to a tv sems pretty typical.

Chances are your living room TV is the best display in your house. Could I buy a 144hz gsync monitor and set up at a desk? Absolutely, but I'd think most people on any sort of budget (like myself) would just set the thing up in their living room and use their already nice TV. Loads of people across the world use their TVS as pc monitors. Why would I buy an expensive monitor in addition to my nice 4k HDR TV when games look phenomenal on it and I love playing on the couch?

I mean the amount of people saying they don't play pc because they like gaming on the couch, and then the amount of people saying "hey wait I totally play PC games on my couch" should tell you that it's pretty typical.

Having a PC hooked up to a HDTV isn't typical. Having a gaming PC in general also isn't typical. I'll even go as far as say it is not typical for a PC gamer to be hooked up to a TV either. I agree that it's the best display in your house, but the PCs hookd up to an actual TV under any circumstances is not going to be typical even though I do think it's better.

 

[Budi]

Are you even reading what you write?

No they don't do it to avoid conflicts...
Have two TV:s or monitors, you both can do what you wished for.​

That is exactly avoiding conflicts. You are literally describing the situation I am talking about, and then just saying "Nah but that's not the same thing."

Oh sorry, I thought of conflict being something more severe than inconvenience. English isn't my first language. So I thought of it as having a fight over the TV use. But nothing I've said means that someone can't have a PC in a living room, even with just one TV. It's exactly like having a console. We both know it, why are we still talking about it? If it's common to you or not has nothing to do with the fact.

And I also mentioned communication as a resolution for when one plays a game on a console or PC and other one wishes to watch a movie.

 

[MazeHaze]

Ya, but that's a bad way to rationalize it though. People think that way when they have things like credit card debt, or other debt that could be paid off, or even putting it into actual investments and retirement. So what may seem like affordable to you is actually going to those other things and maybe a school loan, a family, kids, etc. I don't know your financial situation is, and most definitely you're free to spend your money any way you see fit, but I think people choosing to utilize their savings on more important things is a reason why one would think they could not afford it while they technically do have the money on hand to do so.

I don't know where you live, but here in the US I don't even come close to making enough money to invest in retirement or school loans. I'd rather have some nice gaming options to come home to. Granted this is just my personal experience, but I lost a significant other to cancer a few years ago and comitted myself to just enjoy every day one day at a time. Especially after seeing her outrageous (think quarter of a mil) medical debt. I'll never be able to touch any of that, retirement is a pipe dream, I'll be working until the day I die from something that isn't covered by my abysmal (and soon to be non existant) health care.

 

[daftstar]

I only buy 4-5 games a year and generally don't play as many video games as I used to. Plus anything I have interest in or looking forward to will be on consoles (currently Horizon, ME: Andromeda, Persona 5, Ni No Kuni 2, Spiderman and RDR2). Granted multiplats will perform worse but I don't care as much or have that sort of investment to justify upgrading my ancient 9800 GT. Haven't turned my desktop on in months due to this and mainly use a laptop now.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I don't want to buy a computer to play video games.

It doesn't make sense for my lifestyle to spend that much money for gaming. And before the same tired arguments come out; no i don't have Live/PS+, no i don't have an upgrade-able notebook.

Edit: And why do these threads always end up with more PC posters talking about their experiences than console posters?

 

[LordRaptor]

Is this topic now trying to shame some people spending more on their hobbies than others because they're not investing instead? what?

 

[EventHorizon]

I mean why have an office when he has a setup like that? All from a comfy couch. Everything from watching porn to word processing. Playing online with buddies. Image editing.

Acting like this is bad just because he got more options than just gaming on a console.

I mean yes you can watch porn on a console but using a controller to type -.-

Why is this nonsense spreading? How many people do you know with a setup like that? This whole line of discussion started because of this exchange.

My whole point is that most people don't use their main living room TV as a monitor because that prevents using you living room as a living room. Are you really trying to make the argument that you should monopolize the living room TV? If you are browsing NeoGaf, tough luck to the rest of the people you are living with. Nobody can watch TV because you've got a Chrome browser plastered all over it.

The situation ONLY works for MazeHaze because apparently his girlfriend doesn't really use the main TV. All he did was turn his living room into an office. That's great but it doesn't work for people who have to still use the living room as a living room.

 

[Budi]

Is this topic now trying to shame some people spending more on their hobbies than others because they're not investing instead? what?

No I don't think so.

Why is this nonsense spreading? How many people do you know with a setup like that? This whole line of discussion started because of this exchange.

Why are you so against progress, you are well aware that consoles were seen as a kids toys. And their place wasn't in the living room, but in the kids room. Now people have had their consoles in living room for years, PC isn't as common sure. But you really can, having a PC in your living room doesn't turn it into office. Just like having a TV in the kitchen doesn't turn it into a living room.

 

[MazeHaze]

Is this topic now trying to shame people spending more on their hobbies than others because they're not investing instead? what?

I don't think that was the intent.

If you're making over 50k a year and are investing in stuff, maybe a PC doesn't fit your budget. That's fine.

However there are plenty of us making far, far less than that for whom investing in things isn't even an option. Like, "let me save up for 6 months so I can put 1k into my retirement fund!" It seems like a waste of time.

If I was in a position to put a 10+k a year into a retirement fund? Maybe I'd be considering that, but at this juncture in my life, putting 1k towards retirement rather than a PC is like trying to build the titanic with popsicle sticks and glue.

 

[bman94]

I have a good amount of games on Steam and I barely play them. It's rare that I turn my computer on for entertainment. Almost always whenever I turn my computer on it's for work or to buy something. It's hard disconnecting the "Work mentality" that I have with computers. I don't even watch Youtube much on my computer, it's almost always on the YouTube app on Xbox One.

A lot times while trying to game on PC I just can't keep focus. It feels wrong. I feel like I should be doing something important while on my computer and gaming feels like I'm wasting time. It's super weird, I never had this problem as a kid cause I used to play games all the time on my old Windows 98 and Windows XP computers but ever since I got into college, computers have been mostly used as work and work only.

Then there's just the convenience of a console. If I spend money to get a beefy PC, that shits not easily movable. It's not as big as an issue now that I'm out of college but traveling from home to college meant that my gaming devices had to be easily transportable and consoles definitely filled that purpose. I could stick a console in a duffel bag with all the hook ups and a few games and be set. PC, not so much.

I'm also fucking awful with keyboard and mouse. I played BioShock originally on PC with a Xbox 360 controller cause the game was just unplayable for me with keyboard and mouse. I struggled to beat Half-Life using keyboard and mouse. Unless it's like classic doom, I'm complete shit with keyboard and mouse for FPS.

Then it boils down to game selection for me. Most third party stuff I largely don't give a shit about. I bought my Xbox One for Halo, Forza and Gears. Everything else like Mortal Kombat X, Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2 is just icing on the cake. The only games that seem to interest me on PC is indie games, classic games and simulators. The few times I do play PC games I could sink major hours into Roller Coaster Tycoon, SimCity, Cook, Serve, Delicious!, Game Dev Tycoon but can barely get an hour of play into Half-Life 2 or Killing Floor without feeling uncomfortable.

I tried to like PC gaming, but it's just not for me.

 

[MazeHaze]

Why is this nonsense spreading? How many people do you know with a setup like that? This whole line of discussion started because of this exchange.

My whole point is that most people don't use their main living room TV as a monitor because that prevents using you living room as a living room. Are you really trying to make the argument that you should monopolize the living room TV? If you are browsing NeoGaf, tough luck to the rest of the people you are living with. Nobody can watch TV because you've got a Chrome browser plastered all over it.

The situation ONLY works for MazeHaze because apparently his girlfriend doesn't really use the main TV. All he did was turn his living room into an office. That's great but it doesn't work for people who have to still use the living room as a living room.

What? I don't monopolize the TV at all, nor is my living room an office. And how is PC taking up the TV any different than a PS4 taking up the TV? Nobody can watch TV because you have Nathan Drake plastered all over it! God, maybe you turned your living room into a gamer cave, but that's not typical!

give me a fucking break.

 

[JJH]

I don't have a single friend that plays on PC unless its hearthstone. We all game on consoles.