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[IgotElbows]

I feel like a lot of people are pretty ignorant about PC gaming space.

Especially with the controller aspect.
Many people play with controllers on PC and do fine online.

Hell, I played Black Ops 3 on steam with a controller and use to always get top score just like I did on consoles. (It still has aim assist for controllers, like it does on consoles). Same thing on Titanfall 1 beta years ago.

Overwatch is played by many people with controller. (Although this game doesn't have aim assist I believe. Although this game might be slightly different because you could probably only get to maybe diamond rank with a controller. Probably couldn't get any higher.)

I play most my single player games with controllers because it's just more comfortable to me.


The only good/real answers I've seen really are price, not wanting to deal with looking at specs to see if you could run a game, bad ports, and wanting to own physical games(But when you get a library of 100+ games, you realize having them be physical would be awful..

 

[Killroyskbg]

Your console can barely run the games announced for it.

Watch out wave that PC master race flag any higher you might get struck by lightning.

 

[Budi]

So people here on gaf voted a not working game as the 6th most popular one in the whole year....

Yeah dude game was unplayable by that fact alone.

Edit: ahhh so it was in defence of PC gaming. Gottcha

Hey XCOM 2 also got some votes in GOTY, it was second on mine. And many people considered it unplayable at launch. I sucked it up and just played and ended up loving it even with the technical problems. Totalbiscuit had it at top of his list and he really can't stand if games don't run atleast 60 fps. So I'm saying that games on consoles and PC can run bad, but they can still be great games.

Watch out wave that PC master race flag any higher you might get struck by lightning.

This is something that is discouraged in Neogaf, so watch out. Using the term if you didn't catch what I ment.

 

[Conkerkid11]

My consoles update while they're sleeping; my PC doesn't pull an update until I wake it from sleep. That's a big difference in itself on why consoles are better with updates.

Pretty sure PC can do that too.

Watch out wave that PC master race flag any higher you might get struck by lightning.

K?

Good enough for me.

Then I don't understand why switching to PC would then require you to look up the specs required to run each individual game. I certainly don't look those up before buying and playing games.

Well for starters, my Xbox 360 controller doesn't wake my PC from sleep. I need to hit a key on my keyboard in order to do so, or move the mouse. Then there's the issue when a game pops up a window before launching the game which is non controller interactive, so you need to pull out a mouse or keyboard to get by the interface. These are extremely common on PC games. Heck, off the top of my head, Hitman needs to get past a pop up before getting into the main game.

Something like this:

I just managed to launch Hitman in Big Picture mode without any keyboard/mouse input.

Edit: Actually, you can even launch Hitman without Big Picture mode. The play button on that popup window can be activated with a controller.

 

[Smasher89]

Laptop tends to overheat, and I've yet to find a screwdriver (after years looking, admittingly not to hard, but on the places you could expect to look for them), to open it up and get rid of the gathered dust.

First starcraft 2 ran fine, then it heatcrashed, later dota 2, then hots and now even cardgames like heartstone and pokemon showdown can make it crash, it needs to be opened up :/.

It's a Acer Aspire 5742G

 

[joecanada]

It's less for me about persuading and more about preventing misinformation. In every PC thread like this, there are people that say things like, "I can't play on a couch." Or "patching takes forever" or "PC has no exclusives"

These things are just simply untrue. At least the physical thing, I can see, but even then there are still physical collectors editions out there for a lot of games. Personally I love digital even for console.

As someone who loves both PCs and consoles, it's really weird to see people dog piling on the PC for "issues" that are quite frankly not real issues at all. I will say that my PC was not cheap compared to my PS4 Pro, but it runs games a hell of a lot better/smoother.

They aren't all untrue though. I spent 90 on Xbox one controller, wireless adapter and battery pack and the thing has never worked , stayed connected , and there was a whole thread of people same boat. This is what prompts console wars because people's issues are simply dismissed as untrue. I have a 15 foot USB cable if you feel that counts as couch gaming .

 

[Marty Chinn]

Pretty sure PC can do that too.

I'm pretty sure you have to schedule it to wake periodically which means turning itself on and then going back to sleep later. It's not triggered when there's an update and done seamlessly. Consoles stay in a low powered mode even though they're downloading updates. It's way more clunky by comparison and not completely obvious to setup either. I spend way more time with my PC updating games than I do with my consoles since it's automatically taken care of for me on a console.

 

[Nepenthe]

Note that I have a mildly used Steam library with non-intensive games like the FNaF series or One Finger Death Punch. As far as why I don't do hardcore PC gaming: For one, I primarily like Nintendo games which, well, I can't get on PC, and if I want to play something else I have access to friends and family member's higher-end consoles. Second, I can't be assed to make the financial and technological investment if my personal gaming needs are already satiated with my current situation. I'm happy where I am.

Third, I feel like we have this thread every other month or so asking why I and others don't do more hardcore PC gaming, and they come across as trying to either sell me something I don't want or just a way to argue down with people's opinions. At the end of the day, I play what I play, and I don't like to be hounded about my choices, and PC enthusiasts come across as particularly hound-y.

 

[Nabs]

Laptop tends to overheat, and I've yet to find a screwdriver (after years looking, admittingly not to hard, but on the places you could expect to look for them), to open it up and get rid of the gathered dust.

First starcraft 2 ran fine, then it heatcrashed, later dota 2, then hots and now even cardgames like heartstone and pokemon showdown can make it crash, it needs to be opened up :/.

It's a Acer Aspire 5742G

Is this the one? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQJ612/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Marty Chinn]

I just managed to launch Hitman in Big Picture mode without any keyboard/mouse input.

:/

So your telling me you have no games that have a launcher window that pops up before the game launches like I show in the picture? I'd say 1 out of 3 or 4 games I have at least have this and I have to pull out a keyboard to get past it before I can continue on with my game. I have never ever been able to simply unhook the keyboard and mouse from my PC because it's needed periodically. I wouldn't say constantly, but it's not infrequent either. It's a necessity in order to use my gaming PC on my TV.

 

[Killroyskbg]

Hey XCOM 2 also got some votes in GOTY, it was second on mine. And many people considered it unplayable at launch. I sucked it up and just played and ended up loving it even with the technical problems. Totalbiscuit had it at top of his list and he really can't stand if games don't run atleast 60 fps. So I'm saying that games on consoles and PC can run bad, but they can still be great games.

You did not say run bad. You said that it was a question about being broken. To me that at least mean different things.

This is something that is discouraged in Neogaf, so watch out. Using the term if you didn't catch what I ment.

Speaking fanboy elitism garbage is also a bannable offense. Just warning him as well.

 

[Okami Haundo]

To directly answer OP: I do it out of spite for the people who say I have no excuse to not game on PC.

For a serious answer: I just enjoy the console experience. It's easy to pick up and play a game on my PS4/Xbox One. It's also best for the sanity of myself and my wife because I really like to tinker with things. When we got our new TV a few years ago, I was delving into the settings just about every time we watched something to tweak either the picture or the audio until it was finally "just right". If I had a gaming PC where I could do that with every game I play, I would probably lose about half my gaming time (an hour or so a night) to tweaking things.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Price, comfort and ease of use.

Not against pc gaming and yeah pc gaming is high end but I honestly think the trade off of just plugging in a console and thats it is great.

 

[Murugo]

It's funny, but I recently built a PC and can't seem to find the patience to install anything on it. With the basic set of MSI drivers on Windows 10, Steam freezes every time I close a game and doesn't come back for several minutes unless I restart. My suspicion is that a bad driver is at fault, but I've spent so much time troubleshooting other problems that the whole thing is becoming a nightly chore. I wish things just worked, but they never seem to.

Edit: Well, regarding the Steam freezing issue, turns out it's my freaking Corsair K70 RGB. Unplugging it solves the problem immediately.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

I spent 20 bucks on a wireless keyboard/trackpad thing to do mouse input from my couch.

Like, why is that a roadblock?

"Nah, I'll keep playing games at 25fps with disgusting IQ because I can't be bothered to click a couple of things every once in a while."

 

[Conkerkid11]

Speaking fanboy elitism garbage is also a bannable offense. Just warning him as well.

How am I speaking fanboy elitism garbage?

Dude said that for some reason console performance is fine with him, but if he made the move to PC he'd suddenly care about performance, which makes PC gaming flawed.

So your telling me you have no games that have a launcher window that pops up before the game launches like I show in the picture? I'd say 1 out of 3 or 4 games I have at least have this and I have to pull out a keyboard to get past it before I can continue on with my game. I have never ever been able to simply unhook the keyboard and mouse from my PC because it's needed periodically. I wouldn't say constantly, but it's not infrequent either. It's a necessity in order to use my gaming PC on my TV.

The Hitman launcher can be navigated with a controller.

The only other games I can think of that have these are Bethesda games, and you are right in that they cannot be navigated with a controller. Fortunately, if you put the time and effort in, you can set up launch shortcuts in Steam to start the actual games themselves rather than their launchers. It's still quite a hassle, I'll agree with you there. That's on the devs though. Valve's trying their best to allow for seamless controller support.

Also, pretty sure there's a way in Steam Big Picture now to emulate mouse input with the touch pad on the PS4 controller, or just the analog sticks on any supported controllers.

 

[mcw]

We no longer have an office in my apartment; that was converted into a kid's room when my son was born. So, my PC is hooked up to the TV downstairs-- otherwise there would be nowhere for it.

When I use it, I use a wireless mouse and keyboard, or an Xbox One controller if the game supports it, and most games are OK this way. Way better than it was a few years ago, that's for sure. Steam Big Picture mode helps a lot, once I get to it. Along the way, you have to boot into Windows, start the Xbox app, turn on my Xbox One controller, dismiss the error dialog that appears every time even though the controller is working, then start Steam. It's a pain, and if I needed to use more than one controller, it wouldn't work at all.

 

[zoodoo]

People saying that PC gaming is plug and play nowadays are full of s***. Yes it is easier then it used to be but it's nowhere near as console.

PC can crash for any reason unrelated to the game or platform (steam etc...). Any other stupid software or driver update can prevent you from even launching a game or steam. Right there, you're in for minutes or even hours of troubleshooting. bye bye precious gaming time.

I was fine with these things when I was a teenager and had plenty of time. And also i learned alot about computers by tinkering. But now, my time is precious.

 

[Darth Ghandi]

Living space tbh.

 

[Budi]

You did not say run bad. You said that it was a question about being broken. To me that at least mean different things.



Speaking fanboy elitism garbage is also a bannable offense. Just warning him as well.

Oh sure, it's very much up to the person what kind of perfomance they can tolerate. That's why I also said "it's debatable" and had "works" in quotation marks. I can easily play games at 30 fps, even on PC. But big dips do bother me so much that I couldn't. It's the reason why I locked Mafia 3 to 30 fps, it's better than dips between 30-60. Since it has a big effect on how the game will play, I don't know if Last Guardian is a game that needs fast reactions, I assume not. Neither did Xcom 2. But I wouldn't argue if someone says that they are bothered by the 20 fps in Last Guardian so much that they couldn't play it.

 

[Conkerkid11]

People saying that PC gaming is plug and play nowadays are full of s***. Yes it is easier then it used to be but it's nowhere near as console.

PC can crash for any reason unrelated to the game or platform (steam etc...). Any other stupid software or driver update can prevent you from even launching a game or steam. Right there, you're in for minutes or even hours of troubleshooting. bye bye precious gaming time.

Your second paragraph could easily be describing consoles though.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

People I play with only play on PS4 now a days. So the PC barely ever gets used anymore.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Time and money for me. Only have so much of both.

 

[Nzyme32]

Well for starters, my Xbox 360 controller doesn't wake my PC from sleep. I need to hit a key on my keyboard in order to do so, or move the mouse. Then there's the issue when a game pops up a window before launching the game which is non controller interactive, so you need to pull out a mouse or keyboard to get by the interface. These are extremely common on PC games. Heck, off the top of my head, Hitman needs to get past a pop up before getting into the main game.

Something like this:

I just managed to launch Hitman in Big Picture mode without any keyboard/mouse input.

Edit: Actually, you can even launch Hitman without Big Picture mode. The play button on that popup window can be activated with a controller.

Yep, these just work with the controller, have done for quite a long time within BPM

 

[Killroyskbg]

How am I speaking fanboy elitism garbage?

Well I don't know what kind of intellectual point this sentence was trying to point out.

Your console can barely run the games announced for it.

Your opinion is apparently more important than his own what he finds to be an ok experience.

That is called elitism my dear sir.'

Coupled with it being about preferences regarding PC and console it was fanboyism.

There was no reason to even say it to him. Garbage



Edit:

Dude said that for some reason console performance is fine with him, but if he made the move to PC he'd suddenly care about performance, which makes PC gaming flawed.

Well on console you cant feel like you don't get the best experience if you don't upgrade in the same manner as on PC. Maybe he was afraid he would spend too much money later regretting the purchase. It is not that hard to think for like 5 seconds before being an ass.

 

[Smasher89]

Is this the one? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQJ612/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Looks like the one I need, any recomended cooling paste to use for it?

Edit: doesnt ship to sweden.

 

[zoodoo]

Your second paragraph could easily be describing consoles though.

consoles are closed platform. Way less likely to happen. On pc, my 3 year old nephew can click OK on a pop up and install a crappy software that breaks everything.

 

[Phatosaurus]

People saying that PC gaming is plug and play nowadays are full of s***. Yes it is easier then it used to be but it's nowhere near as console.

PC can crash for any reason unrelated to the game or platform (steam etc...). Any other stupid software or driver update can prevent you from even launching a game or steam. Right there, you're in for minutes or even hours of troubleshooting. bye bye precious gaming time.

I was fine with these things when I was a teenager and had plenty of time. And also i learned alot about computers by tinkering. But now, my time is precious.

How is that any different from game crashes on consoles?

From my memory, I've had crashes playing Rainbow Six Siege, Knack, Contrast, Fallout 4, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, XCOM2 and No Man's Sky all on PS4.
The only solution has been to wait for the developers to patch the game or try playing again and hope it doesn't crash.

At least on PC there's often a DIY solution to crashes that can be implemented sooner than a developer patch.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Well I don't know what kind of intellectual point this sentence was trying to point out.

Your opinion is apparently more important than his own what he finds to be an ok experience.

That is called elitism my dear sir.'

Coupled with it being about preferences regarding PC and console it was fanboyism.

There was no reason to even say it to him. Garbage

It sure is convenient of you to completely ignore any context behind what I said, especially when I went through the effort of explaining it to you in the post you only quoted a small segment of.

consoles are closed platform. Way less likely to happen. On pc, my 3 year old nephew can click OK on a pop up and install a crappy software that breaks everything.

That's unrelated to what you said in your previous post, but I'll bite. Why are you now describing something that could only happen if your 3-year old nephew is using a web browser? I thought he was gaming? Why are there no parental controls set in place for this 3-year old?

 

[Marty Chinn]

The Hitman launcher can be navigated with a controller.

The only other games I can think of that have these are Bethesda games, and you are right in that they cannot be navigated with a controller. Fortunately, if you put the time and effort in, you can set up launch shortcuts in Steam to start the actual games themselves rather than their launchers. It's still quite a hassle, I'll agree with you there. That's on the devs though. Valve's trying their best to allow for seamless controller support.

Also, pretty sure there's a way in Steam Big Picture now to emulate mouse input with the touch pad on the PS4 controller, or just the analog sticks on any supported controllers.

Okay, I was wrong that the Hitman launcher wasn't navigable. I just remembered it was one of the more recent games that had one. However, my point still stands that these launchers always aren't interactive with the controller and you need a mouse/keyboard around for these types of situations. It's also just one example of a situation that requires you to have it around. I think saying you don't need one when it comes to a gaming PC hooked up to a TV is misguided. It's definitely needed.

How is that any different from game crashes on consoles?

From my memory, I've had crashes playing Rainbow Six Siege, Knack, Contrast, Fallout 4, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, XCOM2 and No Man's Sky all on PS4.
The only solution has been to wait for the developers to patch the game or try playing again and hope it doesn't crash.

At least on PC there's often a DIY solution to crashes that can be implemented sooner than a developer patch.

There's a lot more that can go wrong on a PC compared to a console. For example, while I was playing Batman The Telltale Series, 1 out of 5 launches would have the Windows 10 taskbar overlaid at the bottom. Alt tabbing or anything like that wouldn't fix it. The only fix was to quit the game and relaunch it. You would never ever see anything like that on a console

 

[LordofPwn]

About once a week I consider getting a PC but then I just run into headaches and logistical problems.

I've been with OSX ever since I went to college because at the time it was the cheapest and easiest way to do film/video work.
I've invested thousands of dollars into this ecosystem with software and equipment.
For all of it's faults i still like OSX better than windows.
If i'm going to get a PC i don't see the reason to get something that's only good enough for gaming, i'll want to get a workstation which is still a cheaper alternative than upgrading my macbook pro to a decent Mac Pro.
There's no comfortable way to use a keyboard and mouse.
I spend over 8 hours a day on a computer for work so I really don't want to come home and spend even more hours on a computer when i'm not getting paid for it.

If I had like a retail job where i was standing all day a majority of my reasons would be gone.

With a console it's quick, convenient, and comfortable, and I'm willing to sacrifice potential quality because of it. Would i like to play overwatch on a PC with mouse and keyboard? Absolutely. Am I willing to pay for that experience? Not really.

Why even consider a PC then? because working on a laptop at home sucks when i've got a new Mac Pro and Dual 4K Dell IPS monitors at work, but that stuff is crazy expensive.

 

[Killroyskbg]

It sure is convenient of you to completely ignore any context behind what I said, especially when I went through the effort of explaining it to you in the post you only quoted a small segment of.

Dude you edited your post. I have now answered it. You can find it after the edit:

I like to do that so people know that I have added stuff to what I said before I changed it.

 

[zoodoo]

That's unrelated to what you said in your previous post, but I'll bite. Why are you now describing something that could only happen if your 3-year old nephew is using a web browser? I thought he was gaming? Why are there no parental controls set in place for this 3-year old?

Why are you now describing something that could only happen if your 3-year old nephew is using a web browser?

Exactly my point: something unrelated to gaming can prevent you from gaming, because it's a multi purpose device that happens to do gaming also.

Why are there no parental controls set in place for this 3-year old?

My point again. Tinkering
next I'll have to worry about firewall, antivirus, sound card driver etc....

 

[Renmyra]

*Optimizing drivers" is something I see a lot. What kind of delusions do you guys have about drivers that makes it so scary?

 

[Conkerkid11]

Dude you edited your post. I have now answered it. You can find it after the edit:

I like to do that so people know that I have added stuff to what I said before I changed it.

I basically copy-pasted a portion of a post I had already made though and edited it in just in case you missed it.

Dunno why you've gotta go around this thread name-calling.

I've got a 3-year old GPU and other hardware far older than that, still running games better than current gen consoles. That's like making the tired argument that you need to upgrade a PC once a year in order to play recently released games.

Just saying that it's not really fair to not care how console games run, but making the switch to PC suddenly means that matters, and considering that a flaw with the platform. No need to get so defensive.

Why are you now describing something that could only happen if your 3-year old nephew is using a web browser?

Exactly my point: something unrelated to gaming can prevent you from gaming, because it's a multi purpose device that happens to do gaming also.

Why are there no parental controls set in place for this 3-year old?

My point again. Tinkering
next I'll have to worry about firewall, antivirus, sound card driver etc....

Why do you now have to worry about firewalls, antivirus, sound card drivers, etc...??? You're letting a 3-year-old use a computer. What do you have to do beyond monitor what he's doing and set up parental controls just like any normal adult would do when allowing a 3-year-old use literally any other device? Have you seen the threads and news articles about 3-year-olds charging their parents' accounts with loads of money on their phone, PS4, etc... ? This absolutely isn't something unique to PC, and suggesting that PC isn't viable solely because it doesn't appeal to 3-year-olds is laughable.

There's a lot more that can go wrong on a PC compared to a console. For example, while I was playing Batman The Telltale Series, 1 out of 5 launches would have the Windows 10 taskbar overlaid at the bottom. Alt tabbing or anything like that wouldn't fix it. The only fix was to quit the game and relaunch it. You would never ever see anything like that on a console

But workarounds do exist on PC, whereas on console you can go as far as clearing your cache, and beyond that, it's up to waiting for the devs to fix it or sending in your console to its manufacturer.

 

[Phatosaurus]

There's a lot more that can go wrong on a PC compared to a console. For example, while I was playing Batman The Telltale Series, 1 out of 5 launches would have the Windows 10 taskbar overlaid at the bottom. Alt tabbing or anything like that wouldn't fix it. The only fix was to quit the game and relaunch it. You would never ever see anything like that on a console

That's unfortunate, but I've experienced worse.
Like consistent hard system locks playing Knack, continuous blue screen crashes to menu playing R6 Siege during online matches, completely random crashes in the other games I've listen too.


I've had issues with PC games too, Fallout New Vegas was a mess at launch, but quickly patched by the community within a week (faster than the developer's patch).
I can't play Fallout 3 because it crashes within 20 minutes of start up, I've never bothered to look up the fix for it however.
That's about it.

 

[Owari]

consoles are closed platform. Way less likely to happen. On pc, my 3 year old nephew can click OK on a pop up and install a crappy software that breaks everything.

a 3 year old could also delete console save files, destroy your controller, or join a voice chat with a bunch of people cursing, etc. Not much of a point you have here.

 

[Raonak]

I think the people who are saying just hook up your PC to your TV are missing the fact windows OS can't be navigated with a controller.
You're gonna need a keyboard/mouse, and a tiny bit extra setup required.

But that tiny bit is enough to make a lot of console players wonder why even bother in the first place,
when you can just buy a console that has a dedicated controller OS.
No need to ever touch a kb/m

Big advantage there. BPM is taking the right steps, but it should be turned into a full on windows replacement.

 

[Conkerkid11]

I think the people who are saying just hook up your PC to your TV are missing the fact windows OS can't be navigated with a controller.
You're gonna need a keyboard/mouse, and a tiny bit extra setup required.

But that tiny bit is enough to make a lot of console players wonder why even bother in the first place,
when you can just buy a console that has a dedicated controller OS.
No need to ever touch a kb/m

Big advantage there. BPM is taking the right steps, but it should be turned into a full on windows replacement.

A controller can emulate mouse input.

 

[Dezzy]

Which games? Also iirc PC gamers still cannot play Arkham Knight

I played AK at 2560x1440, all settings maxed and it held 60fps just fine. Paid $15 for the game with all dlc included. Uninstalled anyway though, disliked that Batmobile crap.

 

[ScientificPizza]

There's an insane amount of misinformation in this thread

 

[zoodoo]

Why do you now have to worry about firewalls, antivirus, sound card drivers, etc...??? You're letting a 3-year-old use a computer. What do you have to do beyond monitor what he's doing and set up parental controls just like any normal adult would do when allowing a 3-year-old use literally any other device? Have you seen the threads and news articles about 3-year-olds charging their parents' accounts with loads of money on their phone, PS4, etc... ? This absolutely isn't something unique to PC, and suggesting that PC isn't viable solely because it doesn't appeal to 3-year-olds is laughable.

Are you for real??? lol
Are we on gamefaqs here?
You are seriously debating on one example I gave you?
I give up. no comment

 

[LordRaptor]

Are we on gamefaqs here?

Some of the inane drivel being posted in this topic doesn't even meet that high bar

 

[Lupin the Third]

I basically copy-pasted a portion of a post I had already made though and edited it in just in case you missed it.

Dunno why you've gotta go around this thread name-calling.

I've got a 3-year old GPU and other hardware far older than that, still running games better than current gen consoles. That's like making the tired argument that you need to upgrade a PC once a year in order to play recently released games.

Just saying that it's not really fair to not care how console games run, but making the switch to PC suddenly means that matters, and considering that a flaw with the platform. No need to get so defensive.


Why do you now have to worry about firewalls, antivirus, sound card drivers, etc...??? You're letting a 3-year-old use a computer. What do you have to do beyond monitor what he's doing and set up parental controls just like any normal adult would do when allowing a 3-year-old use literally any other device? Have you seen the threads and news articles about 3-year-olds charging their parents' accounts with loads of money on their phone, PS4, etc... ? This absolutely isn't something unique to PC, and suggesting that PC isn't viable solely because it doesn't appeal to 3-year-olds is laughable.


But workarounds do exist on PC, whereas on console you can go as far as clearing your cache, and beyond that, it's up to waiting for the devs to fix it or sending in your console to its manufacturer.

Setting up a PC to be relatively kid-proof is nowhere near as easy a feat as it is to do so with a console.

If you're expecting a parent to sit or stand there and watch them play with it the entire time they do so, the parent would have pretty much no motivation in allowing them to even play on it. What a time sink. Obviously they should regularly check on them, but a lot can happen in five minutes. A properly parental-controlled console does not have this problem.

Now, using an older PC with old software and no internet connectivity...That is a lot more feasible. So PCs certainly have their place with kids.

 

[Tecnniqe]

These threads always come down to

• Comfy Couch
• Drivers and blah
• So many options in the menu
• No Exclusives
• But My Controller
• Plug n Play
• Tinkering with X or compatibility issue
• I work at a desk all day...

It become a joke at this point.

• My Windows updates itself, non-intrusive.
• My GPU can update itself (turned it off) without problems.
• My GPU application have presets for my Rig after my preference setting (Performance/Quality), no additional tinkering needed. Pretty sure it can apply automatically as they update and add games.
• Games have a "autoconfig" and preset, even then you only need to enter the menu once and change things if you care.
• Open platform.
• Support for every input device.
• Comfy as hell, even more so when I get myself the new UW's.
• My eyes don't strain themselves with poor IQ.
• No sluggish input, pinpoint accuracy.

I only see positives. You can literally set windows and a few apps to automate itself and you're set for 99.99999% of things you install unless its games from the 90's which may require some work.

 

[Ruff]

For a gaming forum there sure are a lot of people in this thread who act like they haven't played a game on PC since the early 90's and look at these incredibly black magic doohickey complicated boxes with the same horror my grandmother does. Stop acting like there are incredible obstacles in the way every time you feel like playing something. fking optimising drivers, lmao.

 

[Lanrutcon]

There's an insane amount of misinformation in this thread

what?

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Too busy optimising the driver updates for my sound card's firewall while working a third job just to pay for my $4000 keyboard OH GOD I CLICKED A POPUP NOW I HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE NEW PC

AGAIN

 

[Marty Chinn]

That's unfortunate, but I've experienced worse.
Like consistent hard system locks playing Knack, continuous blue screen crashes to menu playing R6 Siege during online matches, completely random crashes in the other games I've listen too.


I've had issues with PC games too, Fallout New Vegas was a mess at launch, but quickly patched by the community within a week (faster than the developer's patch).
I can't play Fallout 3 because it crashes within 20 minutes of start up, I've never bothered to look up the fix for it however.
That's about it.

I'm not saying games don't crash or don't have bugs. That can happen on either platform. I'm saying there are a lot of issues that pop up that would never ever happen on a console and it's those issues in addition to the regular bugs and crashes that makes the overall experience not as smooth. I'll game on anything, but I have no disillusion that gaming on a PC is not as smooth as an experience compared to a console.

Also, forced Windows 10 updates are the worst. The absolute worst. I hate how Windows 10 handles updates. It has screwed me more than once because I had no control over it.

 

[Raonak]

A controller can emulate mouse input.

that's still a shitty workaround...


SteamOS/Boxes was the ideal, but that valve seems to be shying away from that.

 

[User123456]

Having both high end PCs and consoles, I'll explain it by example:

If I want to play Metal Gear Rising on PS3, I insert the disc and play. If I want to play it on PC, first I have to run it, realize that it's locked to 30Hz, look online for fixes and try them until one of them works. Then, so I don't have to do this shit again, I save the fix and document the procedure.

Then one day I make the switch to AMD, and the game no longer needs the 30Hz fix, but stutters like mad instead. So off I go again to investigate what the hell is going on, only to find out that one of the graphics settings is causing the issue and needs to be disabled (blur, for anyone curious).

This kind of garbage can happen at any point, new issues can surface with literally any hardware or software change, and some people just don't want to deal with it. Often, I'll find some issue that didn't exist before and I just don't want to deal with it so I just play on console until I have the time or energy to screw around fixing it.

It's much, much easier today than it was even 5 years ago. PCGW and the Steam Communities make this much easier, but there are tons of undocumented issues and you still need to go to these places to look for a fix, not needed on console.

Can you blame people for not wanting to deal with this garbage? It's a matter of priorities. The PC cannot possibly be "objectively superior" when it is worse in at the very least this aspect (controller support is a huge issue still even for recent releases, look at Samurai Warriors 4II and Azure Striker Gunvolt, two of my favorites), and how much weight people place on each aspect is entirely subjective.

If I didn't have the money to have both a high end rig and the newest consoles, I would settle for a weak PC to use strictly for legacy titles and do my current gen gaming on console.

Most of the games I like are 60FPS on PS4, too (MGSV, NiOh, Strider, any fighting game...) so it's not like every game runs like shit. It greatly depends on what you want to play.