For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?

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I'm gonna have to chime in and agree that there has been a lot of misinformation about PC gaming that still gets spread. PC gaming still overall isn't as simple as console gaming, but the gap between them isn't anywhere near what it was a decade ago.

--If you don't wanna pay any more than $400USD for access to AAA games, that's a perfectly valid reason to favor console gaming, but don't pretend you NEED $2000 to do any gaming on PC, or even decent AAA gaming on PC.

--If you don't wan to go through the trouble of building, OK. Just know that it's not something only engineers or whatever can do, there are services that basically do it for you. Nice pre-built gamer PCs exist if you're willing to pay for them (back to the point above).

--If you don't like mouse and keyboard or don't like playing games at a desk, that's fine too. Just don't pretend stringing up an HDMI cable to your PC is the hardest thing in the world, or ignore XInput and the Steam Controller backend. I get it though if you can't work a PC tower into your TV entertainment center (for anyone willing to build, there are HTPC shells that look more like big entertainment center appliances).

--Console exclusives? Sure. But don't act like Uncharted 4 and Halo 5 are objectively better games than Stephen Sausage Roll, Undertale, RimWorld, and Cities: Skylines just because they look pretty and more people are aware of them. People just h ave their own tastes. If your tastes are more inclined towards third person shooters, that's you.

--If you don't like dealing with drivers that's cool too, but I think the bad experiences you read about on forums are a case of only hearing from unsatisfied users. Most of the time these days installing new drivers is just a matter of booting up an app Nvidia has that automatically handles them for you. You can even use it to configure and automatically optimize graphics settings outside of games. I don't know how AMD does it these days but Steam has a thing that automatically handles AMD drivers. Again, drivers are there whereas they aren't on consoles, but for most users they aren't the constant nightmare they're sometimes portrayed to be.

--And graphics settings? Again, perfectly valid reason for choosing consoles. Outside that Nvidia app I just mentioned though, I think this is one area where the console and PC user mentalities are fundamentally different. Console users seem to still have that need to know their product is the cutting edge or that the developers are optimizing some real craftsmanship in there or something. On the PC side you really just have to learn to let go at some point and settle for what you're able to afford. You're not gonna run everything at max settings at a perfect 60 frames per second. There may come a point where you have to accept and budget for "mid-level" performance. That may mean running most AAA games at 1080p30, which is what I did on my GTX760 or choosing higher framerate over better graphics. The difference on consoles is that the manufacturers and developers are making those compromises for you.

--If you just plain hate Windows, that's probably one of the most valid reasons to go for consoles. All I'm saying is, updating Windows 10 at this point isn't a world of difference away from updating the PS4's firmware. It's pretty automatic at this point.
 
what?

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Too busy optimising the driver updates for my sound card's firewall while working a third job just to pay for my $4000 keyboard OH GOD I CLICKED A POPUP NOW I HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE NEW PC

AGAIN
If I had a dollar for every time I had to optimise my sound card drivers I'd have enough money to replace the heatsink for my blast processor
 
I play my PS4 on a monitor in the same spot where I PC game. Everytime I play a PC game I find myself fighting with something.

Either the game is giving me control problems, or a glitch, or I'm fighting with the windows when I change resolution of the game or something.
 
I basically copy-pasted a portion of a post I had already made though and edited it in just in case you missed it.

Dunno why you've gotta go around this thread name-calling.

I've got a 3-year old GPU and other hardware far older than that, still running games better than current gen consoles. That's like making the tired argument that you need to upgrade a PC once a year in order to play recently released games.

Just saying that it's not really fair to not care how console games run, but making the switch to PC suddenly means that matters, and considering that a flaw with the platform. No need to get so defensive.

Perhaps you should have answered what I edited also? Literally the thing you tried to flame me about when it was you who f-ed up? Like I literally answered what you tell me now again with that answer. But sure let me explain it again since you ignored it.

He don't care about the performance on consoles because what the f can you do about it? But thinks there might be a chance he starts doing since PC not only offers you different options on how you want to game to look, how fast it will run etc. but constantly offer new upgrade for changing those settings.

Maybe he is afraid it will cost him more then he would like or perhaps that he might spend more time then he want changing options around.

Instead of spreading garbage think for a few seconds before you insult people.
 
I like my gaming PC (980ti) but I must admit, the constant video driver updates and the probability of new drivers messing with your games stability does suck.

Also, the amount of shelf space that a good gaming PC rig takes in the living room is ridiculous.

Consoles don't have these issues.
 
Remember that thread yesterday where someone pointed out that PC Master Race is almost exclusively used on GAF as an insult from console fanboys? And then was told by some other people that he was being oversensitive and it wasn't true?



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We seemingly point this out repeatedly in any PC related thread. It seems a rare occurrence that these folks notice that it is a blatant identifier of what to expect from them since no one else is doing it. I really can't stand the platform warriors but this is a great way to ignore them.
 
I play my PS4 on a monitor in the same spot where I PC game. Everytime I play a PC game I find myself fighting with something.

Either the game is giving me control problems, or a glitch, or I'm fighting with the windows when I change resolution of the game or something.

You must be haunted by the spooky hyperbole ghost.
 
I like my gaming PC (980ti) but I must admit, the constant video driver updates and the probability of new drivers messing with your games stability does suck.

Also, the amount of shelf space that a good gaming PC rig takes in the living room is ridiculous.

Consoles don't have these issues.

Don't install the drivers. I go months without installing new drivers consistently. Generally takes around 30 seconds when I do get around to it.

If space is a concern, build in a mATX case. You sacrifice some utility, but you get a small, sexy package.
 
They aren't all untrue though. I spent 90 on Xbox one controller, wireless adapter and battery pack and the thing has never worked , stayed connected , and there was a whole thread of people same boat. This is what prompts console wars because people's issues are simply dismissed as untrue. I have a 15 foot USB cable if you feel that counts as couch gaming .

Well, maybe that would go into "PC can be technically difficult" rather than "No couch gaming." While I find the former not a big deal, I can understand where it would be daunting for some. For the record, I've never had trouble with the XB1 controller wirelessly.

At the same time, there are more than a dozen different wireless input devices that work great with PC including Dual Shock 3 and 4 and the Xbox 360 controller. Hell, a good wireless keyboard and mouse can still be used on the couch, I do it all the time. If you could ONLY use an Xbox one pad then I could see your point.

But the PC can definitely couch game. I haven't had a real monitor in 4 years, everything is in a 60 inch tv across the room. You having a technical issue with one type of controller, doesn't invalidate its ability work as a gaming machine without being tethered to a desk.
 
I'm gonna have to chime in and agree that there has been a lot of misinformation about PC gaming that still gets spread. PC gaming still overall isn't as simple as console gaming, but the gap between them isn't anywhere near what it was a decade ago.

--If you don't wanna pay any more than $400USD for access to AAA games, that's a perfectly valid reason to favor console gaming, but don't pretend you NEED $2000 to do any gaming on PC, or even decent AAA gaming on PC.

--If you don't wan to go through the trouble of building, OK. Just know that it's not something only engineers or whatever can do, there are services that basically do it for you. Nice pre-built gamer PCs exist if you're willing to pay for them (back to the point above).

--If you don't like mouse and keyboard or don't like playing games at a desk, that's fine too. Just don't pretend stringing up an HDMI cable to your PC is the hardest thing in the world, or ignore XInput and the Steam Controller backend. I get it though if you can't work a PC tower into your TV entertainment center (for anyone willing to build, there are HTPC shells that look more like big entertainment center appliances).

--Console exclusives? Sure. But don't act like Uncharted 4 and Halo 5 are objectively better games than Stephen Sausage Roll, Undertale, RimWorld, and Cities: Skylines just because they look pretty and more people are aware of them. People just h ave their own tastes. If your tastes are more inclined towards third person shooters, that's you.

--If you don't like dealing with drivers that's cool too, but I think the bad experiences you read about on forums are a case of only hearing from unsatisfied users. Most of the time these days installing new drivers is just a matter of booting up an app Nvidia has that automatically handles them for you. You can even use it to configure and automatically optimize graphics settings outside of games. I don't know how AMD does it these days but Steam has a thing that automatically handles AMD drivers. Again, drivers are there whereas they aren't on consoles, but for most users they aren't the constant nightmare they're sometimes portrayed to be.

--And graphics settings? Again, perfectly valid reason for choosing consoles. Outside that Nvidia app I just mentioned though, I think this is one area where the console and PC user mentalities are fundamentally different. Console users seem to still have that need to know their product is the cutting edge or that the developers are optimizing some real craftsmanship in there or something. On the PC side you really just have to learn to let go at some point and settle for what you're able to afford. You're not gonna run everything at max settings at a perfect 60 frames per second. There may come a point where you have to accept and budget for "mid-level" performance. That may mean running most AAA games at 1080p30, which is what I did on my GTX760 or choosing higher framerate over better graphics. The difference on consoles is that the manufacturers and developers are making those compromises for you.

--If you just plain hate Windows, that's probably one of the most valid reasons to go for consoles. All I'm saying is, updating Windows 10 at this point isn't a world of difference away from updating the PS4's firmware. It's pretty automatic at this point.

Great post. Pretty much perfect summation of the differences and reasonable reasons for many to still prefer consoles.
 
1. PlayStation and Nintendo exclusives

2. I can't stand the problems that come with gaming on a PC

3. I prefer bluray over digital

4. PS4 Pro is more than good enough for me
 
There are a lot of reasons and it's all death by paper cuts. Here is a very recent example of what I mean.

I have Windows 10 and once in a while I stream for the hell of it. I have my Xbox One connected to my PC in such a way that I can use the PC for party chat while mixing in game audio into my headset using Voicemeeter Banana. It works incredibly well.

So one day I decide I want to play Rocksmith 2014 because I haven't touched it in ages. Go to steam, install it and fire it up. No audio. WTF. After a few minutes of tinkering I realize that game won't play nice with Voicemeeter banana so I have to reset all of the audio properties so that my headset is the default device instead of Voicemeeter. Start the game, I have audio...kinda. Now it's glitchy as fuck and I've completely lost interest in playing the game because I realize that in order to do so I'll have to reconfigure all of my sound options each time. Too much hassle.

Now, it's entirely fair to say that my situation is unique because of the setup I have but even before I used Voicemeeter I had issues that always had to be resolved. I always felt like I was tiptoeing around the PC so make sure I didn't accidentally break something I'd then spend time fixing instead of just getting to it.

On console I tell the game to install, it downloads the patches at the same time (I have pretty fast internet so installing while patching is a complete non-issue for me) and once it is done, no more than 45 minutes later, I'm up and running. No audio glitches, no video glitches, no tweaking the config to get just the right FPS vs IQ.

If I want to chat with friends I start up party chat. No mystery of if other people are using teamspeak, discord, steam chat (which is awful) or whatever other flavor of the week chat client people are using. Back when I was playing the first Titanfall I had four chat clients installed in order to chat with the various groups. Maybe discord has become the standard now but I've long since given up on PC gaming.

Yep, these just work with the controller, have done for quite a long time within BPM

Sure it can work...but it isn't graceful or very user friendly. Its like using touch in windows 7...you can but why would you want to?

Console is an appliance built for gaming with a controller...and until windows has a mode like that...i will stick with consoles

(Hint Hint microsoft)

EDIT: what's also complete bullshit is PC users constantly pretending that there are no technical hurdles to gaming on a pc by constantly downplaying everyone's experience...the last page by itself is full of them

I work on PC's all day every day at work...there are definitely issues with gaming on pc's that many normal users don't have the appetite to get over...stop pretending they don't exist

Edit2- thanks for making my point below me
 
I play my PS4 on a monitor in the same spot where I PC game. Everytime I play a PC game I find myself fighting with something.

Either the game is giving me control problems, or a glitch, or I'm fighting with the windows when I change resolution of the game or something.
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I like my gaming PC (980ti) but I must admit, the constant video driver updates and the probability of new drivers messing with your games stability does suck.

Also, the amount of shelf space that a good gaming PC rig takes in the living room is ridiculous.

Consoles don't have these issues.

Good thing you don't HAVE to update your drivers every time a new game comes out huh?

Shelf space? Small form factors can both look nice and fit well under a TV. No the same size as a console, but not hugely crazy either.

If a console have issues you're fucked and at the mercy of devs. Good luck.
 
We seemingly point this out repeatedly in any PC related thread. It seems a rare occurrence that these folks notice that it is a blatant identifier of what to expect from them since no one else is doing it. I really can't stand the platform warriors but this is a great way to ignore them.

I answered your long message btw in the other thread.
 
PC is actually very stable if you follow the console route and play 1 game at a time or buy few big titles every year.

If you have hundreds of games installed it is only natural that not all of them will work, especially after various upgrades and updates.

This requires a different mindset which isnt mandatory to follow
 
I'm not saying games don't crash or don't have bugs. That can happen on either platform. I'm saying there are a lot of issues that pop up that would never ever happen on a console and it's those issues in addition to the regular bugs and crashes that makes the overall experience not as smooth. I'll game on anything, but I have no disillusion that gaming on a PC is not as smooth as an experience compared to a console.

Also, forced Windows 10 updates are the worst. The absolute worst. I hate how Windows 10 handles updates. It has screwed me more than once because I had no control over it.

Yet that hasn't been my experience playing on PC, I've never had any completely weird crashes or issues like that. I'm not disputing that they can happen, but I fail to see how they're any more common than crashes in console games.


I'll give you Win10's updates being intrusive, but it's another thing I don't really have to deal with. I leave my PC in sleep mode.
It boots up within 20 seconds and bypasses any Win10 updates.
Plus it's worth mentioning that Windows 10 isn't the only option available to PC Gaming. It's arguably the best, but there's still alternatives.
 
I have a PC, but at the end of the day a console is just more convenient. Syncing controllers, less crashing/issues and rest mode are the main reasons I'll choose to buy on console than on PC. I tried to get my boyfriend to game on my PC, but I swear every day he had an issue with windows, game crashing, mic, audio or bluetooth controller connection. Simple 1-3 minute fixes for me, but really annoying. I always just accepted these problems, but now that I work 40 hours a week I don't want to bother with it. I even tried to streamline the whole thing with Steam Link, but that created new problems.

The difference in graphical quality isn't as big for this generation and HDR is also a big factor in closing that gap. My PC is coming up on ten years old and still runs games at mid/high settings at 1080p. I'm sure if I dropped some money on a new card and power supply I could get a sizable leap, but I'm at a point where I don't think I'll get a big advantage like I did with PS3/Wii to PC for the money.

PC gaming is awesome when it works, but I'm all in on convenience now.
 
Sure it can work...but it isn't graceful or very user friendly. Its like using touch in windows 7...you can but why would you want to?

Console is an appliance built for gaming with a controller...and until windows has a mode like that...i will stick with consoles

(Hint Hint microsoft)

It isn't a matter of if it is graceful or not - it is up to the developer to implement this in whatever way they want. The vast majority of games will provide their options in game only, for which case it is as "elegant" as it was designed to be. You make it sound like this is the absolute norm when it isn't at all. Have you actually played many games lately on Steam?
 
I already posted why I don't game on PC but just going through the whole thread afterwards...honestly why does anyone care? Why does it matter what other people do? I will admit I see a lot of ignorance from people about being comfy on the couch or having to use KB/M (Even though if you do play a competitive game with a controller then RIP) I don't see why it matters. People are going to do what they want....let them and move on.
 
It isn't a matter of if it is graceful or not - it is up to the developer to implement this in whatever way they want. The vast majority of games will provide their options in game only, for which case it is as "elegant" as it was designed to be. You make it sound like this is the absolute norm when it isn't at all. Have you actually played many games lately on Steam?

Plenty of games get it right...but experiences are determined by the negatives
 
Comfort.

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The fact I work 8 hours a day on my PC.

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I don't want to put something together/invest money into a more powerful rig that needs updating every 3 years.
 
Consistency.

I'm a (almost former) Pc gamer and I actually spent more time configuring, researching and finding fixies than actually playing games on Pc.
I've lost count of the times games were running smooth on one level , very bad on others, a driver/game update fucked my performance or I had to drop down setting to have the performance I used to have moments before.

I put a lot of games in my backlog waiting to bruteforce the problematics with newer components and when I finally have the chance to play them properly I just don't find them appealing anymore (graphics, mechanics outdated, a sequel better in every single way, etc).

Console gaming is still not perfect and is even starting to share some problematics of the Pc gaming but is way easier for me.
When I encounter a performance problem (FFXV or Bloodborne framepacing) is probably a constant issue I can get used to and , most important, something I cannot do anything about.

I consider my Ps4pro (traded a D1ps4 for 200$) one of the best gaming purchase of my life.
 
Most sites don't do per-platform reviews. The differences in averages involve PS4-exclusive review sites and PC-exclusive review sites. This doesn't mean there is no benefit to a power advantage (or that reviewers don't think there's a benefit to a power advantage) -- it means that review scores aggregated cross-sectionally by Metacritic almost by definition can't show one.

There are extremely few overlaps in reviews so any commonality can be ignored. I did a spot check and found the following.
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[B]Number of Reviews[/B]

                 PC   PS4  Overlap
                 ==   ===  =======
Blood and Wine   49   27     1
 Battlefield 1   54   33     3
So Metacritic has a significant number of independent reviews that end up showing no correlation between PC versions of games getting higher reviews. If there was a PC advantage it should show up. To argue otherwise is to hit smack dab in the middle of my argument this entire thread. That is that PC enthusiast simply won't accept console gamers when they say they like console games. Apparently the only opinions you will accept are those from the PC crowd which is by far the bigger bias if there is one to be found here.

As already mentioned above, these reviews aren't based on comparing one version of the game to another.

I can either play a version of Blood and Wine at 30fps with drops, and lower graphics quality, or I can play at 60fps with higher graphics quality.

I can either play a version of Overwatch with m/kb controls which are more precise, or I can play a version with auto-aiming and less precision required from the player.

Same goes for any other game you list. So long as the PC port is capable of being better than the console version, you're only improving upon whatever review ratings critics have been giving it. Even a version considered a bad port by most like Dark Souls or Dishonored 2 is still considerably better on PC.


Not our fault there's not many good reasons to play multiplatform games exclusively on console.

If people typically played both versions of the game at a time to compare them you'd have a point. That almost never happens so what you describe simply doesn't exist for the vast majority of gamers. Most gamers buy a game for their platform of choice. Play it. Then make some opinion on how much they liked it. If a 30FPS game with drops impacted the overall enjoyment of the game then it would show up in the review regardless of how it performed on another platform.

The problem here is that PC gamers want to bias the evaluation to those criteria that they deem important. It simply doesn't occur to you that not everybody views games the same way. If I play a game on my console and rate it a 92, then I really enjoyed that game. Someone trying to tell me that I didn't like that game is going to make me think they have mental issues. Maybe if I did an A/B test that might or might not be true, but I'm not doing an A/B test. I'm just loving the games that I am playing. That's why I feel no need to play on a PC. End. Of. Story.
 
I just don't understand why anyone would make up these weird reason on why they don't want to game on a PC, I mean it's your choice and that's ok. Drivers are generaly a non' issue. Hardware upgrades do not have to be frequent. Games update themselves on Steam.

It's not as streamlined as consoles sure, but the gap is not huge and problems are usually fixed with a quick google search. And again it's still okay to prefer consoles especially if you want everything to be as convinient as possible and don't like to tinker with anything. But when people exaggerate the issues I get feeling they would like to get in to PC's but either lack the money or are overwhelmed by choosing parts and building the thing or something.

One weird issue I have had with PC's though was that some games for example the older Tomb Raiders and one King of Fighters title (can't remember which) refuse to start on anything but the C:drive. That's the only problem I can think of that I wasn't able to solve.
 
Don't install the drivers. I go months without installing new drivers consistently. Generally takes around 30 seconds when I do get around to it.

Usually driver updates coincide with a new AAA game release and are made to keep said new games running optimally. So you not only have the games stability updates to keep track of but also the video driver updates. And not updating one, but updating the other, can give you serious performance issues depending on the game from my experience.
 
I don't want to put something together/invest money into a more powerful rig that needs updating every 3 years.
People say this all of the time and it's garbage

The 900 series of nvidia cards were released 3 years ago and they are still completely viable to run new releases on high settings

If you have a 980 or even a 970 you're fine for basically the rest of this console generation. Constant PC hardware upgrades are a fallacy and the point holds even less water now that we live in a world with console iterations
 
Usually driver updates coincide with a new AAA game release and are made to keep said new games running optimally. So you not only have the games stability updates to keep track of but also the video driver updates. And not updating one, but updating the other, can give you serious performance issues depending on the game from my experience.

So you're telling me that my 5-6 month old driver running games in 120+fps is not optimal and i HAVE to update it?

Ahh shucks. Wish I knew I had to update everything every time and not only when issues arise or I want SLI profiles.

Game stability updates?
Video driver mess with game 'stability' updates?

Games patch by themselves. They don't mess your GPU up in any way...
 
Yet that hasn't been my experience playing on PC, I've never had any completely weird crashes or issues like that. I'm not disputing that they can happen, but I fail to see how they're any more common than crashes in console games.

I'm not even saying they are frequent issues. I'm saying there are issues on top of the typical issues that apply to both platform that will never happen on a console. A pop up window or the game screen losing focus are things that NEVER happen on a console. It's just the way they're designed

I'll give you Win10's updates being intrusive, but it's another thing I don't really have to deal with. I leave my PC in sleep mode.
It boots up within 20 seconds and bypasses any Win10 updates.
Plus it's worth mentioning that Windows 10 isn't the only option available to PC Gaming. It's arguably the best, but there's still alternatives.

I leave my PC in sleep mode too. But one day I came home and my PC was on for some reason. Either someone bumped the keyboard and it turned on, or something over the network triggered it to turn on, which I've painstakingly made sure to turn off wake on LAN to prevent it from happening.

But whatever reason, my gaming PC was on when I came home and because it was on, it somehow tried to update and screwed up my system. For whatever reason, I cannot update to Windows 10 Anniversary Edition but Windows is constantly trying to update me to it. So the fact that my PC got turned on somehow while I was at work left me in a vulnerable state and the update happened. I've Googled it and I'm not the only one with this problem. The problem is I still haven't found a solution. It gets stuck at a black screen during the update, and the only way to recover is to force it to go back to a previous version. On top of that, for whatever reason, you need to unplug USB devices for it to trigger the recovery otherwise it'll sit there with an infinite spinning circle.

As much as I like Windows 10, how they handle updates is painful and annoying, especially when there's no fix for whatever is causing me to not be able to update to the Anniversary Edition. This problem has sucked so much of my time and it's something that would never happen on a console. Simply doing a Google search for infinite spinning circle after update or Windows 10 Anniversary Edition update failed and boots to black screen will get you a lot of hits on either subject, so it's common enough.

In the end, gaming on a PC takes a lot more maintenance and is not as smooth as an experience as a console no matter how you slice it. No doubt it's way better than it was 10 years ago or even 5 years but it still does not match up to the console experience. I say this as someone who has a decent gaming PC and still uses it regularly. I just know where it stacks up in comparison.
 
People say this all of the time and it's garbage

The 900 series of nvidia cards were released 3 years ago and they are still completely viable to run new releases on high settings

If you have a 980 or even a 970 you're fine for basically the rest of this console generation. Constant PC hardware upgrades are a fallacy and the point holds even less water now that we live in a world with console iterations

Yep. My 970 runs everything on hi so far, some things like Doom it runs on Ultra at 60FPS. Even Gears 4 everything on ultra, except motion blur on high, and it stays at 60.

I think the 4K push will make upgrading less frequent for those of us happily still on 1080p as devs seem to push that rather than other things like graphics/IQ that would cause frame rate issues for 1080p users.
 
Plenty of games get it right...but experiences are determined by the negatives

Sure, if you can't handle that sort of thing - by the nature of the platform itself, that is up to you.

No one talking seriously and legitimately is saying that the PC is some kind of problem free ecosystem for gaming, whether at a desk or on a TV in the lounge - but the extremes demonstrated in this thread are abundantly ridiculous in their over the top nature and the typical tribal reaction to such hyperbole from the usual suspects who don't even play on the platform - which is also painfully and hilariously clear to anyone that does.

More so is it clear that these same people jump into these kind of threads for the bait, and worse are the ones jumping into threads specifically only about a topic related to PC gaming, that consistently are the usual defenders / aggressors in there with both no interest gaming there, but purely there to pedal their platform of choice and justify it.

As I said before, this, the platform warring, the PCMR usage by the same old people, its pathetic. Join my ignore list.
 
So you're telling me that my 5-6 month old driver running games in 120+fps is not optimal and i HAVE to update it?

Ahh shucks. Wish I knew I had to update everything every time and not only when issues arise or I want SLI profiles.

Game stability updates?
Video driver mess with game 'stability' updates?

Whoa chill out man, people get really defensive. This is my experience.
 
As I said before, this, the platform warring, the PCMR usage by the same old people, its pathetic. Join my ignore list.

Just FYI, you should probably stop with these posts as I'm pretty sure touting adding people to your ignore list is a bannable offense on GAF.
 
Just FYI, you should probably stop with these posts as I'm pretty sure touting adding people to your ignore list is a bannable offense on GAF.

okay news to me, thanks - then again I should have worked this out since only finding out about the feature after that pm business the other day
 
what got me to game on PC was Titanfall and the ability to play alot of the steam games with a pad. funny enough i do still prefer my PS4 over PC, but im very glad i dived in.
 
I already posted why I don't game on PC but just going through the whole thread afterwards...honestly why does anyone care? Why does it matter what other people do? I will admit I see a lot of ignorance from people about being comfy on the couch or having to use KB/M (Even though if you do play a competitive game with a controller then RIP) I don't see why it matters. People are going to do what they want....let them and move on.

It's a forum man, it's where we simply talk. If you don't care then why you here?

There's nothing deep and underlying about it, it's just a basic conversation as I have friends that don't Pc game for various reasons and I feel they're missing out, so it sometimes is a flashing moment where I think about how others don't and the misconceptions.

It's really that simple, it's just conversation.
 
There are extremely few overlaps in reviews so any commonality can be ignored. I did a spot check and found the following.
Code:
[B]Number of Reviews[/B]

                 PC   PS4  Overlap
                 ==   ===  =======
Blood and Wine   49   27     1
 Battlefield 1   54   33     3

Why don't you add XB1 to this comparison? Most games perform better on PS4 than xb1 yet there's almost never a difference in their review scores. Doesnt mean people dont notice the performance difference or it's not significant . sites don't give different scores to PS4 pro versions either, doesn't mean there's no advantages
 
I'm gonna have to chime in and agree that there has been a lot of misinformation about PC gaming that still gets spread. PC gaming still overall isn't as simple as console gaming, but the gap between them isn't anywhere near what it was a decade ago.

--If you don't wanna pay any more than $400USD for access to AAA games, that's a perfectly valid reason to favor console gaming, but don't pretend you NEED $2000 to do any gaming on PC, or even decent AAA gaming on PC.

--If you don't wan to go through the trouble of building, OK. Just know that it's not something only engineers or whatever can do, there are services that basically do it for you. Nice pre-built gamer PCs exist if you're willing to pay for them (back to the point above).

--If you don't like mouse and keyboard or don't like playing games at a desk, that's fine too. Just don't pretend stringing up an HDMI cable to your PC is the hardest thing in the world, or ignore XInput and the Steam Controller backend. I get it though if you can't work a PC tower into your TV entertainment center (for anyone willing to build, there are HTPC shells that look more like big entertainment center appliances).

--Console exclusives? Sure. But don't act like Uncharted 4 and Halo 5 are objectively better games than Stephen Sausage Roll, Undertale, RimWorld, and Cities: Skylines just because they look pretty and more people are aware of them. People just h ave their own tastes. If your tastes are more inclined towards third person shooters, that's you.

--If you don't like dealing with drivers that's cool too, but I think the bad experiences you read about on forums are a case of only hearing from unsatisfied users. Most of the time these days installing new drivers is just a matter of booting up an app Nvidia has that automatically handles them for you. You can even use it to configure and automatically optimize graphics settings outside of games. I don't know how AMD does it these days but Steam has a thing that automatically handles AMD drivers. Again, drivers are there whereas they aren't on consoles, but for most users they aren't the constant nightmare they're sometimes portrayed to be.

--And graphics settings? Again, perfectly valid reason for choosing consoles. Outside that Nvidia app I just mentioned though, I think this is one area where the console and PC user mentalities are fundamentally different. Console users seem to still have that need to know their product is the cutting edge or that the developers are optimizing some real craftsmanship in there or something. On the PC side you really just have to learn to let go at some point and settle for what you're able to afford. You're not gonna run everything at max settings at a perfect 60 frames per second. There may come a point where you have to accept and budget for "mid-level" performance. That may mean running most AAA games at 1080p30, which is what I did on my GTX760 or choosing higher framerate over better graphics. The difference on consoles is that the manufacturers and developers are making those compromises for you.

--If you just plain hate Windows, that's probably one of the most valid reasons to go for consoles. All I'm saying is, updating Windows 10 at this point isn't a world of difference away from updating the PS4's firmware. It's pretty automatic at this point.

This is a great read, however I'm just going to point out that the Nvidia app you mention if you mean GeoForce is pretty widely loathed, it wouldn't even open for many at last update (I should check it again), not to mention it doesn't even optimize many games. So drivers although not always being a nightmare, are still not a one stop shop and neither are game settings unless you just leave it on say med- max like I do. (or use geoforce if it works for you)

And my experience with Win10 has not been good, and updating it may not be an issue but the issues that come with it are anything but automatic. I think windows in general works better the less you try to do with it or at least that's how it feels to me. I had to make all sorts of compromises to sound, screens, etc.

However I'm not arguing your point that they aren't the constant nightmare some portray them to be, but they are constant annoyances in my experience.

(not like console doesn't have it's annoyances as well for example my pc games once I actually get them running well crash less than my ps4 in my experience so that's pretty solid).


Well, maybe that would go into "PC can be technically difficult" rather than "No couch gaming." While I find the former not a big deal, I can understand where it would be daunting for some. For the record, I've never had trouble with the XB1 controller wirelessly.

At the same time, there are more than a dozen different wireless input devices that work great with PC including Dual Shock 3 and 4 and the Xbox 360 controller. Hell, a good wireless keyboard and mouse can still be used on the couch, I do it all the time. If you could ONLY use an Xbox one pad then I could see your point.

But the PC can definitely couch game. I haven't had a real monitor in 4 years, everything is in a 60 inch tv across the room. You having a technical issue with one type of controller, doesn't invalidate its ability work as a gaming machine without being tethered to a desk.

yeah I acknowledge that. I'm sure I could make it work but after buying a 90 dollar setup for MS pad on MS windows, it's pretty sour that it just didn't work.

also how do you get a x360 pad to wireless on pc?
 
It's a forum man, it's where we simply talk. If you don't care then why you here?

There's nothing deep and underlying about it, it's just a basic conversation as I have friends that don't Pc game for various reasons and I feel they're missing out, so it sometimes is a flashing moment where I think about how others don't and the misconceptions.

It's really that simple, it's just conversation.

I am well aware of what Neogaf is and I answered your original post with no issues. However since then the thread has turned into half people answering you and half people arguing why they are wrong like those people truly care.
 
I am well aware of what Neogaf is and I answered your original post with no issues. However since then the thread has turned into half people answering you and half people arguing why they are wrong like those people truly care.

It's just people discussing imho, I don't see anything out of place really. I still find it intriguing some of the reasons people come up with.

But I mean it's a thread, if you're done man you can just roll out and let it run it's course is my point
 
It's just people discussing imho, I don't see anything out of place really. I still find it intriguing some of the reasons people come up with.

But I mean it's a thread, if you're done man you can just roll out and let it run it's course is my point

Well I was in here to see the reasons because I was intrigued as well but I just can't stand when people try to tell others what they are doing is wrong and blah blah blah. But it's whatever also...your avatar is very fitting of your attitude....I like it.
 
I was always of the impression that PC gaming was too much of a hassle for me after hearing all the horror stories of games constantly needing fixes, controllers not working, etc.

Then I bought a PC in March of last year.

I own 164 games on steam now, and literally the only game I ever had a problem with was Metal Gear Rising locking to 30hz. Took a bit of head scratching and searching, but turns out you just have to run it in borderless windowed mode to get it to run at 60hz.

Controllers have also been a non-issue for me. Downloaded DS4 windows back in march, I have a DS4 synced to my pc at all times now, all I have to do is turn on the controller and voila, I can even customize it to change color based on the battery life, or disable the lightbar entirely.

At first I was constantly tinkering with settings and FPS counters, but after a couple months of that, now I just put the game on very high, and if the framerate isn't steady I just lower a couple settings. This is rare though, 99 percent of the time games just run fine at their highest settings. Unless of course I want to run at 4k, which does take some tweaking but having the option to drop graphics settings to get 4k60fps is worth the hassle. And this is on a gtx980 which came out 3 years ago.

Can't say I've ever had any hassle with drivers either.

And my PC is in the living room right next to my ps4. I have a little lap desk that I use to play keyboard and mouse games from the couch. I love my ps4, I'm playing bloodborne on it right now (amazing game) but I would much rather play it on PC, as with most titles. Not having performance options really sucks. You can get used to stuttery sub 30 framerates after 20 minutes or so, but it's far from ideal and is especially jarring when every game you play on PC is running at a locked 60.
 
Are you for real??? lol
Are we on gamefaqs here?
You are seriously debating on one example I gave you?
I give up. no comment
Because it's the only aspect of PC gaming you mentioned having a problem with, and that's the only example you could come up with?

Seriously, you make a thread about your 3-year-old nephew hopping on your PC and getting you viruses, I guarantee you that GAF is going to blame you.

Like, good on you for giving up and all when backed into a corner you can't get out of, but that's literally what this thread is. OP asks why you don't play on PC, you gave a reason, I told you why your reason was stupid.

That we have over and over. I wouldn't go as far as weekly but seemingly every month on GAF. "Why aren't you PC gaming?"
Most weeks I see this thread in the form of, "Why I'm not a PC gamer" created by a console gamer.
 
Sure, if you can't handle that sort of thing - by the nature of the platform itself, that is up to you.

No one talking seriously and legitimately is saying that the PC is some kind of problem free ecosystem for gaming, whether at a desk or on a TV in the lounge - but the extremes demonstrated in this thread are abundantly ridiculous in their over the top nature and the typical tribal reaction to such hyperbole from the usual suspects who don't even play on the platform - which is also painfully and hilariously clear to anyone that does.

More so is it clear that these same people jump into these kind of threads for the bait, and worse are the ones jumping into threads specifically only about a topic related to PC gaming, that consistently are the usual defenders / aggressors in there with both no interest gaming there, but purely there to pedal their platform of choice and justify it.

As I said before, this, the platform warring, the PCMR usage by the same old people, its pathetic. Join my ignore list.

Never said anything about pcmr...people losing their minds in here
Seemed like a good question the op was asking...but when people talked at all about their technical reasons people shitted on them with "oh that's fucking easy you moron". I didn't like that 
 
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