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[Milijango]

Lapsed PC gamer. I had PC that was about as powerful as a PS4 (built in 2012 I think). I bought 30-40 games a year, playing anything that reviewed well and went on sale. As someone who likes to cherry pick games and really deep dive into the ones I care about, I didn't get much out of that.

I bought an actual PS4 for Bloodborne (and in anticipation of other exclusives) and a few months later the PC broke in some expensive ways. Civ 5 had been the only thing I played regularly so I never bothered with new parts.

These days I have a regular PS4 and a bad old desktop that can't run anything more intensive than Kentucky Route Zero. No regrets: these days I buy 6-8 games a year, and thanks to the breathing room that affords I enjoy the hobby more than I ever did.

 

[Ganrob]

I watch my brother play on PC sometimes and it's too "claustrophobic" for me. Seems way too complicated too with parts, RAM, CPU and whatever else gets mentioned in threads on GAF.

I always wondered why people would play consoles exclusively, but then I kind of learned that people didn't grow up putting together PC's like I did. It seems natural to me, but if it didn't I wonder if I would bother learning so I can totally understand.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

You presuppose a much larger extent of functionality and customization for PC than for your console.

On PC, you desire to be able to select your input device freely (you choose a XB1 controller) and to select your marketplace, distribution platform, and gaming community of choice freely.
I agree with these desires, and the fact that they are possible is among the many things that make the PC platform such a wonderful place for gaming.

However, both of them are a-priori impossible on a console. You are restricted to a very specific set of input devices, and only one centrally managed marketplace, distribution platform and community.
These restrictions in turn make providing some user conveniences easier. That is obvious.

But what is important is recognizing that what we have here are fundamentally diverging objectives. Sure, you can make PCs easier to use (and this has absolutely happened since the 90s and continues to happen), and you can extend some PC features and possibilities to consoles (like [almost] universal screenshots this gen, or mid-cycle HW upgrades).

But there is always ultimately come a point where you have to make a hard decision between either valuing user choice and flexibility or convenience and uniformity of experience.

And that is the true divide.

This is *exactly* the point I am trying to make! I am perfectly happy with the current trade-offs of PC gaming because I reap the benefits of high framerates, good hardware, cheap games, choice of storefronts, more controller support etc. etc. The list goes on. What I *don't* like, is people who want to evangelise all of these things, while simultaneously telling others it can compete on every level as the other platforms on every conceivable metric.

PC games are more hassle to get into, boo hoo. I'll cry myself to sleep with 60fps goodness. I still recognise though that plonking a Windows PC down in some people's livingrooms and a mouse/keyboard on their coffee table is a total no-go.

 

[Xion86]

Also as few people mentioned earlier, it depends on the person. My dad likes gaming and he doesn't play on PC anymore as he doesn't want to sit at a desk. I bought him a laptop to play in the living room but he's slowly gone off that (lot of faff with plugging it into a power source, setting up the Xbox One controller with the wireless dongle, smaller screen and the heat from the laptop whilst on his lap etc). So he just prefers whatever console is hooked up to the AV system that he can turn on and play by just picking up the controller.

Also we can make use of couch co-op titles .

 

[Durante]

@SeeNoWeevil: It seems like we are fundamentally in agreement then. I'll still post this reply since I spent time writing it

Your list has taken considerable setup

No. As far as I know every normal game installer adds the game to the start menu.

requires you to leave your PC on all the time

Yes. My PC is a multi-purpose device, so it's on all the time anyway, but this is certainly true and might be an issue for others. In this context it's noteworthy though that idle power consumption of both CPUs and GPUs has decreased massively over the past few years.

limit yourself to certain storefronts

Is there actually a storefront that installs games in such a way as to not appear in the start menu?
(This is a non-rethorical question -- I have only used Steam, GoG, Uplay, and Origin and as far as I know they all add a game shortcut to the start menu which can then be rapidly launched using substring search, but there might be another storefront which doesn't do this)

This conversation is aimed at console gamers.

Well, if consoles with their single use case and inherent limitations were not at least more convenient for the one use case they are built for than a non-specialized PC setup that would be very surprising, wouldn't it?

That said, my point was simply to show that depending on your individual gaming setup, the difference can be negligible, and I do maintain that.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

Well, if consoles with their single use case and inherent limitations were not at least more convenient for the one use case they are built for than a non-specialized PC setup that would be very surprising, wouldn't it?

Quite. People still argue against it ad infinitum though.

 

[Trago]

But there will always ultimately come a point where you have to make a hard decision between either valuing user choice and flexibility or convenience and uniformity of experience.

And that is the true divide.

That's basically what it comes down to for a lot of people. I made the switch to PC because I wanted more freedom/options on my main platform. There's a significant number of people who don't care about that, and that's understandable to me.

 

[Ethelwulf]

This thread has showed me that there is not a single argument that a console gamer (as myself) can make in order to justify its gaming choice other than exclusives

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

This thread has showed me that there is not a single argument that a console gamer (as myself) can make in order to justify its gaming choice other than exclusives

Not really, just saying hey I want a ps4 and that's it... Is totally fine in my book.

The only thing that gets my goat is if you'd say, well I choose a console because I need a controller to game with. That's when for me is my main beef, the misconceptions.

But saying you want to simply buy a ps4 and go, that's fine in my book.

 

[univbee]

Living in Japan makes it prohibitively costly to put together a gaming PC. Newegg, Tiger Direct...what I wouldn't give for a Japanese equivalent.

Is Tsukumo no longer a good choice there?

That's not a good thing.

Having the option to do something about it means you can have a better experience with the game way faster than if you had to wait for a patch. If you don't want to mess around with settings then you can still play it sub-optimally just like on console.

Sub-optimally is one thing, but quite a few major games launched on PC that would straight-up not launch if your PC had something specific going on with it. A few that impacted me:

- Dark Souls II straight-up wouldn't output right over HDMI when you launched it on certain cards, took a few days for them to fix.
- MGS5: The Phantom Pain crashed on boot if you had a Phenom processor, even though it worked 100% fine with Ground Zeroes
- GTA5 wouldn't work on PC if your Windows username had special characters. This took them a good few days to fix, although at least they allowed no-questions-asked refunds until it was fixed.

For the record, I do still PC game to a certain degree, and I absolutely do see how the option would still be preferable to some, but I shifted from one side to the other and really don't see a situation where I would go back to mainly PC without some pretty massive changes to how things work there. I even have a PC that is explicitly built to game on a living room TV with carefully selected parts and I still have to break out the KB+M to fix some random thing about it way more often than I should.


Other things which I'm sure have been mentioned:

- Cost: Obtaining or building a gaming-level PC outside of the U.S. has a tendency to be quite expensive. To add to this, PC's and PC components are FAR more volatile price-wise than consoles, which tend to be price locked or pretty close to it. Back in 2013 when both PS4 and Xbox One launched the USD and CAD were fairly close to the same value and priced accordingly, so the PS4 had a $399 CAD launch price. Now the CAD value has gone way down, and for example the Switch will be launching at the same price as the PS4, $399 CAD. Note that my salary didn't increase 30% in 3 years so...welp. It's even worse with PC components, by and large any graphics card which is going to be significantly more powerful than a PS4 Pro will be quite a bit more expensive than the PS4 Pro, and again we're talking about just the graphics card here, none of the other components you would also need.

Even outside of hardware, game prices also trend cheaper on the console side in many cases when you factor in, for example, Amazon Prime's 20% off discount, and Amazon at E3 does massive 30% off promotions, and with their pre-order price guarantee you can protect yourself from currency fluctuations. For example I got Resident Evil 7 for PS4 for $57.50 CAD taxes included, which is not only cheaper than Steam and PSN ($79.99CAD) not to mention every other tax-collecting option (over $90 CAD), but even cheaper than Green Man Gaming with the VIP discount (about $65-$67 CAD), AND gives me a copy of the game I can resell or trade or whatever at some point down the line.


And lest we forget that there are some pretty serious titles which don't get PC releases at all.

Again, I absolutely know that PC gaming is preferable to a lot of people, and I can definitely see why, but it's important to realize that the cons of PC gaming which may not be a big deal for you are 100% dealbreakers for a LOT of people. And that's OK. Game on!

 

[Ethelwulf]

Not really, just saying hey I want a ps4 and that's it... Is totally fine in my book.

The only thing that gets my goat is if you'd say, well I choose a console because I need a controller to game with. That's when for me is my main beef, the misconceptions.

But saying you want to simply buy a ps4 and go, that's fine in my book.

Sure I get that, but the title of the thread implies listing those things that holds up back and apparently there is absolutely no reason to own a console other than exclusives, which I think is ridiculous.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Sure I get that, but the title of the thread implies listing those things that holds up back and apparently there is absolutely no reason to own a console other than exclusives, which I think is ridiculous.

That's why the thread was asking but when those who say things like I want to sit on my couch or prefer to use a controller is an even more ridiculous counter argument.

 

[univbee]

That's why the thread was asking but when those who say things like I want to sit on my couch or prefer to use a controller is an even more ridiculous counter argument.

It's definitely an oversimplified argument, it goes a bit deeper than those things.

- Some people are stressed as FUCK and may barely have the energy to flop on their couch and pick up the controller. With PC it's pretty much guaranteed there's going to be more to it than that in some capacity. Not necessarily every time, but it doesn't take more than once or twice for people to go "fuck this"

- It's definitely better than it was, but controller support on PC can still have some flaky issues. I'm using an Xbox One controller wirelessly and about 2/3rds of the time I have to unplug and replug the official wireless adapter to get it to behave. And it didn't work for Killer Instinct when it launched on PC.

And even if you are playing a game which does everything the console does with the controller, you can't really play online with it because you are going to get wrecked against kb+m players. Hell, John Carmack gave a lengthy talk going really heavily into the technical reasons why this is the case.

 

[Vipu]

It's still the best performance based on a few preferences.

console = best performance

You know there is presets in almost all pc games and auto settings that the game chooses for you so you dont need to fiddle any you get better performance than on console.

 

[Bonfires Down]

I play almost exclusively on PC and will continue to do so, but I've also had enough problems that I wouldn't recommend it to someone unless they know what they are getting into.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Nobody I know has a gaming pc. We all game on consoles and can lend each other games and take said games to each others homes to play together.

I'd rather play games with my friends than strangers.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Nobody I know has a gaming pc. We all game on consoles and can lend each other games and take said games to each others homes to play together.

I'd rather play games with my friends than strangers.

Trading games between friends is a pretty solid reason, I can get behind that. That is an old school type scenario that I miss plenty

 

[Ronin7th]

Yes, you can wake the computer from sleep with the button on the steam controller for example.



PC definitely has standby which wakes within seconds. As for updates, my PS4 doesn't always do that correctly in sleep mode anyway. Usually turn it on to find the patch hasn't begun to download yet.



Honestly you usually don't need a new driver for a game release. I have gone a year or more without touching drivers on PC and games work fine. But regardless its a 5 minute process to download and install a driver update, and my PS4 has firmware updates to install as well.



Steam?

There are obviously technical issues with PC gaming, but these kind of posts blow it way out of proportion.

This is all achievable with steam link, but a major issue that I have with the bolded is that unless you remove your password from your widows account. Using wake on lan brings you to the windows lock screen. Kinda defeating the point of steam link for many. https://steamcommunity.com/app/353380/discussions/0/365163686053839079/

 

[Blinck]

I know a lot of the general arguments in the past was that people would say they wanted to just load a game and go, or that they wanted to sit comfy on their couch... And it's now hopefully known that all those things are and have always been easily achievable via Pc gaming, but even more so now a days.

Not for everyone. PC still has a lot more troubleshooting than consoles no matter what.

Other things that makes me prefer my PS4:

- I work on my pc, so I don't want to game on the same place where I work.
- Having the PC connected to my TV would be a hassle, and no I don't want a streaming device.
- I HATE fiddling with graphic options, I just want to play the game like everyone else is playing instead of worrying about the best possible setup for the game.
- Many PC ports still suck.
- Updating just the graphic card in my country costs the same or almost the same as a PS4 pro.
- I'm a big fan of the exclusives from Sony.
- While I'm not a trophy chaser I do like the whole trophy collection library and the "account level" meta game thing to be there.
- I don't think that the graphical differences are that big nowadays except for a few titles. It was huge in the PS3 era, but nowadays not so much. Mostly framerate but I can deal with 30fps.. I just couldn't deal with sub 30fps AND 720p /sub 720p res.

In fact, the best looking games of the moment are on console (Uncharted 4), so I really think the graphical argument is not that great.

I really have 0 interest in going back to PC gaming. The only call for me are specific games and nothing else.

When I want prettier graphics I'll just update to the PS4 pro.

 

[duxstar]

I... I... I have no words.
This takes the cake. In this thread of all threads. This just takes the cake.

Read the rest of the post , Jesus Christ, I've had issues with drivers when setting up my ps4 controller, and it ended up being a multiple hour long process to fix, and getting a wireless Bluetooth dongle up and running was also a pain In the ass. Why should I buy a separate controller for the system when the rest of my points are still completely valid? I have no reason to buy an xbox360 controller just for the system , then I still have to configure the damn wireless usb to work.

Which means it's more work and money than is worth it because when I look at the Steam page there's nothing I want to buy anyway.

 

[Knurek]

No. As far as I know every normal game installer adds the game to the start menu.

Alternatively, you can always:

1) Right click on Steam Icon, select game from Jumplist - this also works from desktop with Steam Controller and should with PS4/XInput ones now that Steam has support for them.
2) Keep BPM running mimized at all time, press the guide button to bring it to front, choose game you want with gamepad.

Read the rest of the post , Jesus Christ, I've had issues with drivers when setting up my ps4 controller

You're a special case then.
I've been using mouse and keyboard for ever. Zero problems.
I've been using DS4 with a $5 BT adapter for the past two years. Zero problems.
I've been using Wii U controller with a $15 Mayflash BT adapter for the past few months. Zero problems.
I've been using Steam Controller with included wireless adapter for the past few months. Zero problems.
I've been using both Bemani controllers and Dualshock 2 with a $5 adapter for the past few years. Zero problems, provided you use x360ce for XInput games.
Saying there are no good controller options on PC is a certified alternative fact.
Can you use the later 3 with your PS4? Seems to me it's consoles who are lacking in controller options, not PC.

 

[CyberChulo]

"Alexa, turn on Playstation 4"

 

[vort3x]

Cheats. Main reason I stopped gaming on PC. Sure console's have their share but compared to PC its way less.

Comfort. I like gaming on my couch.

Price/Space/Friends I don't see paying for a PC when most of my friends are on Xbox one. Also kinda tight on space in my current place.

 

[Complicated]

I used to game on a PC. I just prefer consoles. Much less to worry about, and all my friends play there already. If Microsoft can bring a decent UI to PC with their Xbox mode that's supposed to be coming I would probably use my PC more than I do now. I hate dealing with Steam, and Big Picture Mode is hot garbage. My money is going to new consoles now though, so my PC will be outdated and only for games I can't play elsewhere.

 

[IcyRhythms]

Trading/lending games is no longer a solid argument for many of us above(random number thrown in here)say 23 or so. That was something my friends and I did often at 10-17. Most of them don't play games anymore, and those that do have become filthy casuals that buy BF, COD, and 2K. That and I game mostly on PC where as they're still on consoles.

 

[specdot]

My reason for refusing to play on PC? NeoGaf.

 

[Rourkey]

I have a decent PC GTX 1070 but mainly play on/prefer my XB1S

Just friends, ease of use, comfy couch, big TV etc

Ive got a steam link but find it really unreliable, am wondering if the Nvidia Shield would do the job better?

I'm more interested in the technology with PC's currently i'm looking out for a 27" 1440p HDR GSYNC Screen, currently I play on a 24" Dell IPS 1080p.

The Xbox playanywhere thing is awesome to me, best of both worlds, so I'm hoping more titles that support it.

 

[Zelenogorsk]

I game on my laptop, but it can basically only run CS:GO and Rocket League (and both not very well). I'm not opposed to getting a more powerful PC but have a PS4 because of Bloodborne and I've been fine with the performance of multiplatform on the PS4 (Doom, Dark Souls 3, etc). I'm won't "refuse" to get a gaming PC in the future, just not in the cards right now. I don't make a lot of money so the idea of being able to put more money into a PC for better looking games doesn't appeal to me at the moment (but my roommate does have a $2000 PC gaming setup and those games do look damn good).

- I HATE fiddling with graphic options, I just want to play the game like everyone else is playing instead of worrying about the best possible setup for the game.

Yeah this is also annoying. When I play a game on console I think "This is just how it looks" (and 99% of the time that's good enough) but when I play a game on PC I can't help but think "If I had more money I could turn these settings up" which is frustrating.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

You don't respect other's preference to separate work and pleasure.

what?


what?

 

[CyberChulo]

what?


what?

Some people just don't want to use the computer they use for work and put games on it.

 

[univbee]

what?


what?

This was also my issue for a while: if you get a job where you are a working on computers all day, you may want your enjoyment to have as little to do with computers as possible. If I do a 9-hour workday (or more) fixing computers, I don't want to do even more of that when I get home. It's a strong and verified psychological thing, although it doesn't necessarily affect everybody.

The same also goes for certain computer-centric hobbies, especially if they're really heavy on the system being configured in a specific way like audio mixing or video editing. Can also complicate things if you work from home, like I needed Teamviewer on my home PC for work but it really messed with games at the time, like Teamviewer broke fullscreen if it was open.

 

[PSOreo]

"Alexa, turn on Playstation 4"

 

[LordRaptor]

"Alexa, turn on Playstation 4"

Given how minimal-calories-burned-to-launch-game now seems to be of critical importance to certain GAFfers, it amazes me that Kinect wasn't more popular here.

 

[Dick Jones]

Refuse to is a strong word, it is more the cost of getting a good system in Ireland and also I'm worried I'd brick the system day one. I'd like to build one from (general) scratch in the future but I plan to do a PC maintenance course first because I know I'd mess it up.

Commence mocking in 3..2..1..!

 

[Dick Jones]

Given how minimal-calories-burned-to-launch-game now seems to be of critical importance to certain GAFfers, it amazes me that Kinect wasn't more popular here.

Maybe if the Kinect worked on a Sony machine it would have. A complete design flaw. 😉

 

[Tecnniqe]

Cheats. Main reason I stopped gaming on PC. Sure console's have their share but compared to PC its way less.

Comfort. I like gaming on my couch.

Price/Space/Friends I don't see paying for a PC when most of my friends are on Xbox one. Also kinda tight on space in my current place.

Cheats is a mute point mostly unless devs don't give a fug.

BattlEye kicks its ass so bad it's not even funny.
A proper system for detection like that with server side information gathering (which is done anyway) of any and all stats and tracking makes it near impossible while community servers also police themselves.

As for SP games trainers and mods more than make it worth it alone. Adds a whole new layer to the game experience or simply helps you over a frustrating obstacle.

Comfort, price and friends I'm not even gonna touch on anymore.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

Refuse to is a strong word, it is more the cost of getting a good system in Ireland and also I'm worried I'd brick the system day one. I'd like to build one from (general) scratch in the future but I plan to do a PC maintenance course first because I know I'd mess it up.

Commence mocking in 3..2..1..!

Bro have a little more faith in yourself lol it's just a Pc

 

[dottme]

I know a lot of the general arguments in the past was that people would say they wanted to just load a game and go, or that they wanted to sit comfy on their couch... And it's now hopefully known that all those things are and have always been easily achievable via Pc gaming, but even more so now a days.

When is "so now a day". Last year, I've bought an Alienware Alpha. I've tried to set it up and play a little.
But even just running the game deliver with it for free was a mess. I remember I have to reboot it multiple time to play Metro for the direct install/driver updates and all this shit.
The first time I installed the game, I was clicking no on reboot because I was under the impression this was something of the past, the game was not running correctly with all options to low and in 320x240 (i wasn't even this resolution still exist).

Now, it is sleeping in a corner and I'm playing with my PS4 and WiiU. I haven't have to do any DirectX installation or driver update as of now on those. And the game is always running in correct condition.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

This was also my issue for a while: if you get a job where you are a working on computers all day, you may want your enjoyment to have as little to do with computers as possible. If I do a 9-hour workday (or more) fixing computers, I don't want to do even more of that when I get home. It's a strong and verified psychological thing, although it doesn't necessarily affect everybody.

The same also goes for certain computer-centric hobbies, especially if they're really heavy on the system being configured in a specific way like audio mixing or video editing. Can also complicate things if you work from home, like I needed Teamviewer on my home PC for work but it really messed with games at the time, like Teamviewer broke fullscreen if it was open.

Perfectly reasonable. Hell after long days working at the computer I don't want to do any screen-based hobbies and would rather do something outside or go do something social.

 

[outunderthestars]

Yeah this is also annoying. When I play a game on console I think "This is just how it looks" (and 99% of the time that's good enough) but when I play a game on PC I can't help but think "If I had more money I could turn these settings up" which is frustrating.

I end up fiddling with things and spending hours trying to make sure the game is running as good as possible on my hardware. Then I run out of time to actually play the damn game.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

I can't relate to the work front as we do heating, AC and remodeling, but I don't know... Knowing what I know with how pcs are I guess I just view it as a vehicle for my gaming and nothing more.

I just say this for conversation is all. But even if I worked at a Pc all day, to me just taking 5 seconds to load up steam and click a game, or load up origin or what have you, would be no different than my ps4.

Course now if I sat at a desk all day at work, yea most likely I probably wouldn't want to play a kbm type game where I need to sit at my desk still.

But with the way you can just plug and play controllers into a Pc is such a game changer for me, that is where the ease comes in.

 

[Beegeous]

The perceived cost and faff.

 

[datamage]

I can't relate to the work front as we do heating, AC and remodeling, but I don't know... Knowing what I know with how pcs are I guess I just view it as a vehicle for my gaming and nothing more.

I just say this for conversation is all. But even if I worked at a Pc all day, to me just taking 5 seconds to load up steam and click a game, or load up origin or what have you, would be no different than my ps4.

Course now if I sat at a desk all day at work, yea most likely I probably wouldn't want to play a kbm type game where I need to sit at my desk still.

But with the way you can just plug and play controllers into a Pc is such a game changer for me, that is where the ease comes in.

I not only agree with this, but I live it. I work on a PC all day, every day, and my gaming PC at home does not remind me of "work" in the slightest. I know you created this thread with good intentions, but it's a lost cause.

 

[Rbk_3]

Bro have a little more faith in yourself lol it's just a Pc

So this is where you ran off to

What's your rig, out of curiosity?

 

[CadetMahoney]

Bro have a little more faith in yourself lol it's just a Pc

yea man, you don't need no maintenance course lol.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

So this is where you ran off to

What's your rig, out of curiosity?

Ha hey Brad, good to see ya around these parts. Ah just i7, gtx 1080, 4k setup via monitor and thru my new epson 5040ub which is absolutely stunning, I have it all running thru my Denon for 7.1 SS. Lookin forward to the 1080 ti when it drops as well unless it's over 1000 and minimal boost. But if it's at least 35-40ish% boost I'll most likely spring for it.

 

[GamingKaiju]

I don't so much refuse to game on PC but if I'm honest I got fed up of games been broken and shitty ports.

I was primarily a PC gamer during the 90's til upto a few years ago.Ive had various issues over the years with hardware, software and configurations but what really pissed me off and turned me away from PC gaming was Wolfenstien the New Order been completely unplayable on Day 1/2 for any one with a AMD GPU.

I did manage to play around 2 3rds of the campaign then bang another fucking crash and my game save was corrupted FFS!!

I still have my gaming PC but I'm done gaming on it and just use it for work/study now

 

[LordRaptor]

I was primarily a PC gamer during the 900's

glorious abacus master race

 

[Devast8nDiscoDave81]

For those who refuse to game on a Pc, what holds you back?

Well based on alot of answers from console gamers - IGNORANCE.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

I initially used to play on pc but around 2007 it was clear my pc was completely antiquated and replacing enough of it to feel modern was going to be pretty much on par/ more expensive than getting a 'next gen' console at the time.

Seemed to make more sense to get an Xbox 360 over getting a second computer That setup worked really well for me.

I think the problem is, because my gaming needs where taken care of elsewhere, I literally only needed to pick up a laptop around 2010 for work and ever since have gone for the laptop option.

Ultimately my point is - historically pc gaming was inconvenient so I moved away from it - pc gaming may have gotten more convenient in the last few years but so what? My setup works well for me. Having a console and a laptop is working so well for me I can't really justify why I would invest in another pc at this point

This thread is full of people saying 'pc gaming isn't so bad' but that's not good enough. Ultimately the 30 pages arguing over whether or not pc gaming is convulated or not isn't selling me on changing things up. Once you have a set up that works you need an actual incentive/ advantage to change things up.

I think VR is the thing that may finally convince me to pick up a good gaming rig but that's clearly still years away and so I simply have no incentive right now to spend the money.


TLDR:
Even if the pc gamers in this thread are right and pc's are now as easy and comfortable and space friendly as consoles. I can't actually think of a single advantage pc gaming gives me that would justify spending the money involved to change my current setup. Cool pc's are comfy, that's great why does that matter to me? Sell me on something I don't already have.

(I do miss RTS games and fps mouse precision, but not enough for the money involved )