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[jaypah]

you know what's cool about that gif? the fact that it doesn't have all the frames from the actual video.


http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html


go ahead and see the actual video of it, there's nothing off about it. The car isnt even going as fast as that gif makes it out to be in the video :lol the amount of distorting is ungodly.


I'll remake that gif with all the frames brb.

that .gif is nothing like the video. it made it look like the car came screaming around sliding around like it was on ice. in the vid he was going pretty slow and actually steered like that. i had seen that .gif a few times and thought it looked weird. thanks for posting the vid link.

 

[cyberheater]

if a clutch pedal isn't critical to you, consider the driving force GT

Does that work on a PC as well?

 

[Captain Pants]

Are the complaints about GT's physics coming from people who've played Prologue? I wasn't a huge fan of how the previous GT games handled, but I thought GT5P was vastly improved.

 

[Slayer-33]

Maybe people won't hang on to it as the holy grail of hate towards FM3, that gif is not even close to what happened in the video.


Where's the magic carpet ride now?

 

[ypo]

how were those GT5P shots not from photo mode? or are these new drivable camera angles?

They are shots of the replay mode. All real-time.

 

[belvedere]

Are the complaints about GT's physics coming from people who've played Prologue? I wasn't a huge fan of how the previous GT games handled, but I thought GT5P was vastly improved.

Well certain individuals confuse physics with damage while others seem to believe that poor "physics" are represented when you can't send an AWD car into a drift on every corner.

 

[Arnie]

The floaty/loose/arcade feel of the car is a GT5 problem?

Nope but the physics model which is what you actually said is. And how did you deduce that Forza has "floaty/loose/arcade" car handling from a 6 second handy cam .Gif? Seriously.

 

[Melfice7]

Are the complaints about GT's physics coming from people who've played Prologue? I wasn't a huge fan of how the previous GT games handled, but I thought GT5P was vastly improved.

It seems it's easier to play blind and ignore that for as long as its possible.. the driving physics are great in prologue, we can all complain on the collision physics though but thats also being worked on

 

[RavenFox]

Now I understand why Bish put up that title. I went through the thread again and I even posted.
Jesus has wept indeed.

 

[jaypah]

Now I understand why Bish put up that title. I went through the thread again and I even posted lol.
Jesus has wept indeed.

the majority of this thread is hilarious. with the exception of a few post that are just kinda sad. but maybe my sarcasm detector is on the fritz for those.

 

[D'ultimate]

I may be wrong but even so, the people that have played both GT and Forza series seem to prefer the driving model of Forza so can we just put the F3 floaty physics to bed? F3 will drive better than GT5. GT5 will look slightly better while doing so.

 

[Apex]

you saw this in others cars? or it's the only one?

All cars, at least on the playable demos. Just search for any in-game vid and try to find a detailed interior, the swap is easy to spot because the interior darkness.

 

[cyberheater]

It was annoying? Other than the Forza 3 pictures it proved that Cyberhearter is full of shit.

What are you babbling on about you fruitcake.

I'm guessing you're nothing like you pretend to be in real life....

 

[FortunateSon]

:lol :lol Damn at the magic carpet FM3 .gif.

I may be wrong but even so, the people that have played both GT and Forza series seem to prefer the driving model of Forza so can we just put the F3 floaty physics to bed? F3 will drive better than GT5. GT5 will look slightly better while doing so.

I played both. I prefer GT driving model. FM does have floty physics. And why the fuck do people equate collision to physics? Wtf. F3 will not drive better than GT, we have no idea how GT5 will drive.

If anyone played Prologue, the physics is vastly improved but alas I guess people played Prologue with blinders on.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

They are shots of the replay mode. All real-time.

his quote was misunderstanding the original post he quoted. he thought "ingame" meant "gameplay" which it does not.

how about we compare gameplay shots from now on. or is that no longer important?

 

[antiloop]

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html

2D bushes/trees at 0:07 to 0:10?

I thought that was a GT trademark.

 

[belvedere]

Nope but the physics model which is what you actually said is. And how did you deduce that Forza has "floaty/loose/arcade" car handling from a 6 second handy cam .Gif? Seriously.

I've got a better question, where did I say that .gif was the only source of information for the claim you couldn't even comprehend yourself? Maybe you missed the 3-5 pages dedicated to magic carpet gifs. Those criticisms didn't start here, don't act like they did.

 

[seattle6418]

Are the complaints about GT's physics coming from people who've played Prologue? I wasn't a huge fan of how the previous GT games handled, but I thought GT5P was vastly improved.

It seems like the last resort to troll since graphics are not a strong point to argue.

Not only Prologue, but i doubt most people have played Spec III, which is totaly different on the physics front.

If you play with the right tires, you will get times that are just like real life. Problem is, most people can't pick the right tires to compare. (there's a great youtube video comparing Massa's pole in Suzuka with a on board lap in prologue, can't find the link).

It's a shame PD uses a bullshit scale for tires that goes from N1 to R3, instead of the actual names for the tires. I hope they change this in GT5.

 

[jaypah]

lol, it's getting serious.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

2D bushes/trees at 0:07 to 0:10?

I thought that was a GT trademark.

i've looked like 5 times now and didn't notice it. but hey, +1 for you. good eye.

 

[Iknos]

I've got a better question, where did I say that .gif was the only source of information for the claim you couldn't even comprehend yourself? Maybe you missed the 3-5 pages dedicated to magic carpet gifs. Those criticisms didn't start here, don't act like they did.

They pretty much did.

As it was pointed out those "Top Gear" impressions were written by a guy not associated with the show.

Yet if you look at critical reviews Forza 3 is said to have fantastic physics.

Both Inside Sim Racing hosts raved about it. One of them said: "I can't believe this is a console sim racer".

 

[jett]

his quote was misunderstanding the original post he quoted. he thought "ingame" meant "gameplay" which it does not.

how about we compare gameplay shots from now on. or is that no longer important?

Hello? Most of the shots were from the quite clearly gameplay cockpit view.

What are you babbling on about you fruitcake.

I'm guessing you're nothing like you pretend to be in real life....

I'll have you know that is bannable offense.

And what exactly do I pretend to be in real life?

 

[fmcato]

(there's a great youtube video comparing Massa's pole in Suzuka with a on board lap in prologue, can't find the link).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto

 

[belvedere]

They pretty much did.

As it was pointed out those "Top Gear" impressions were written by a guy not associated with the show.

Yet if you look at critical reviews Forza 3 is said to have fantastic physics.

Both Inside Sim Racing hosts raved about it. One of them said: "I can't believe this is a console sim racer".

I distinctly remember (only because a fellow NASIOC member said it) that he went back to playing FM1 (I know lol) because FM2's cars were too "floaty". This got a big debate going at one of the meets and this was back in 07. I also remember a small debate on an episode of 1up yours.

 

[Apex]

If you play with the right tires, you will get times that are just like real life. Problem is, most people can't pick the right tires to compare. (there's a great youtube video comparing Massa's pole in Suzuka with a on board lap in prologue, can't find the link).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto

 

[Toby]

I was leaning toward GT5 because 1000 cars and 16 cars on the track is much more appealing, but with that kind of physics it totally takes away from the "real driving simulator" experience

I really have no idea, but have they released a list of cars at all? I was just reading a review of GT PSP and apparently a car with a stripe is considered a completely different car than the same car without a stripe, so car numbers might not be the best thing to go off of.

Does anyone know the situation with using the Xbox 360 wireless racing wheel on the pc? Is Microsoft EVER going to release force feedback drivers?

BTW, I will buy both, but only when they reach ~$20.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Hello? Most of the shots were from the quite clearly gameplay cockpit view.

The FM3 ones, yes, not the GT ones

 

[FortunateSon]

They pretty much did.

As it was pointed out those "Top Gear" impressions were written by a guy not associated with the show.

Yet if you look at critical reviews Forza 3 is said to have fantastic physics.

Both Inside Sim Racing hosts raved about it. One of them said: "I can't believe this is a console sim racer".

Forza 3 bro does not have fantastoc physics from what I've seen. What defines good physics here for you? I'm just wondering.

And I know your a pretty fair guy but your pretty bias towards F3 from what I've read of your posts.

 

[RankoSD]

Every time I see his gloves I see this:

I can't unsee that

 

[Interfectum]

I raise you

:lol :lol :lol oh man...

 

[SeaOfMadness]

I distinctly remember (only because a fellow NASIOC member said it) that he went back to playing FM1 (I know lol) because FM2's cars were too "floaty". This got a big debate going at one of the meets and this was back in 07. I also remember a small debate on an episode of 1up yours.

sorry, are we talking about FM2 or FM3? i'm confused

 

[jakonovski]

Here's a prediction:

Forza 3 will be the best console racer to date, the first one with proper physics.

GT5 will never come out. On the off chance that it does, it will basically be GT1 with a graphics upgrade and bad online. Bumping other cars off the track as a method of overtaking in corners will drive even the SDF crazy.

 

[Arnie]

I've got a better question, where did I say that .gif was the only source of information for the claim you couldn't even comprehend yourself? Maybe you missed the 3-5 pages dedicated to magic carpet gifs. Those criticisms didn't start here, don't act like they did.

Iknos replied perfectly. The Gif you commented on was also taken completely out of context in a manner which fuels the suspicion brought about by a preview already proven to be devoid of any real credibility. Furthmore it contradicts previews which have credibility in critiquing the genre such as Inside Sim Racing.

 

[belvedere]

The FM3 ones, yes, not the GT ones

wtf dude

 

[chubigans]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1EEZe-Eqto

That is crazy! I've never seen that vid...whoa.

 

[jett]

The FM3 ones, yes, not the GT ones

What the fudge? Yes they are. That's exactly how the game looks like when you play it.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Forza 3 bro does not have fantastoc physics from what I've seen.

ok please enlighten us. what have you seen? link the video please with your specific critique so we can be sure we understand properly.

And I know your a pretty fair guy but your pretty bias towards F3 from what I've read of your posts.

and you're biased towards GT so i guess you guys balance each other out

 

[Arnie]

The FM3 ones, yes, not the GT ones

Yes they are. Prologue looks just like those shots in actual gameplay.

 

[KHarvey16]

F3 will not drive better than GT, we have no idea how GT5 will drive.

This sums up everything wrong with blind fanboyism. We don't know anything about how GT5 will drive, EXCEPT that it won't be worse than FM3.

Fantastic.

 

[gutterboy44]

This thread has gone from entertaining to just plain sad.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

wtf dude

ok let me spell it out for you:

i would like to see side by side comparisons of *gameplay* screenshots from one of the driving cameras. NOT replay, NOT photo mode, NOT garage, etc... does that make sense?

 

[FortunateSon]

Here's a prediction:

Forza 3 will be the best console racer to date, the first one with proper physics.

GT5 will never come out. On the off chance that it does, it will basically be GT1 with a graphics upgrade and bad online. Bumping other cars off the track as a method of overtaking in corners will drive even the SDF crazy.

Proper physics? Like I said. What is with this proper physics talk? Define proper physics. No car racing sim will ever fucking have proper physics. Jesus. Forza Motorsport 3 is no where close to having proper physics. What equates physics? Handling? Collisions? What?

And by the way, nice try. That's some weak ass trolling.

 

[Kowak]

ok let me spell it out for you:

i would like to see side by side comparisons of *gameplay* screenshots from one of the driving cameras. NOT replay, NOT photo mode, NOT garage, etc... does that make sense?

dude, this is gaf, of course it doesnt make sense.

 

[Ultimo hombre]

ok let me spell it out for you:

i would like to see side by side comparisons of *gameplay* screenshots from one of the driving cameras. NOT replay, NOT photo mode, NOT garage, etc... does that make sense?

Why? the dick size contest from comparing what they can't play is way more exciting.

What's not fun about

OMG LOOK AT THE GARAGE PICS!
OMG LOOK AT THE REPLAY DETAIL!
OMG LOOK AT THE PRE RENDERED VIDEO!

Gameplay is for suckers.

 

[jett]

ok let me spell it out for you:

i would like to see side by side comparisons of *gameplay* screenshots from one of the driving cameras. NOT replay, NOT photo mode, NOT garage, etc... does that make sense?

What do you think this is? Are you mental?

 

[Ristlager]

I cant tell if he is joking or not

edit. This thread moved a bit to fast for me. Was refering to jakonofski.

 

[Agent Ironside]

After driving my Jeep home from work everyday, I realize GT's physics are way off. Forza's feels good though.

 

[Slayer-33]

http://i33.tinypic.com/29z643m.gif


Every time I see his gloves I see this:



http://i35.tinypic.com/5am2dy.jpg

I can't unsee that

hey look a new degree of relevance added to what the topic has anything to do with.

 

[rollingstart]

Does that work on a PC as well?

Driving Force GT works great on PC. I used it for the Shift demo the other day. Only things that don't work are Playstation specific things, like the PS button, +/- and dial. Those are Gran Turismo game specific (other than the PS button)

 

[charsace]

It seems like the last resort to troll since graphics are not a strong point to argue.

Not only Prologue, but i doubt most people have played Spec III, which is totaly different on the physics front.

If you play with the right tires, you will get times that are just like real life. Problem is, most people can't pick the right tires to compare. (there's a great youtube video comparing Massa's pole in Suzuka with a on board lap in prologue, can't find the link).

It's a shame PD uses a bullshit scale for tires that goes from N1 to R3, instead of the actual names for the tires. I hope they change this in GT5.

Right tires? If the game is sim all the tires should be the right tires.