Incognito said:Then, of course, he took offense at the fact that John Kerry wants Rumsfeld out of office. People like Gibson and the rest of the Faux-News Neocons should NOT be allowed on TV. They are not journalists by any strectch of the imagination, but instead parrots for the GOP talking points of the day. So fucking irritating..
Chrono said:http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/1695
It doesn't work in Firefox (picture doesn't show up). I viewed it in myie.
Fox News is super-partisan. I mean, they are the cheapest shills of this administration ever. All the networks feasted on Clinton's problems. Fox has defended everything Bush does, and they clearly feed their anchors and their "guests" talking points. But CNN and MSNBC are just as bad. They may not be as desperately slanted as FNC, but they do a piss poor job of reporting the news. and Headline News is almost as useless b/c with all the ads and other advertisements masquerading as news items ("...and in today's news, Company X is releasing a new..."), there's no useful source of info. The HN ticker is more useful than the actual video feed. PEACE.xsarien said:It always astounded me that around that around the same time FNC went on the air, it almost seemed to usher in the era of true Instapundits. People like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity - ti me, at least - seemed to drop out of nowhere, all screaming about how Clinton should be impeached, drawn and quartered, and then burned at the stake for lying under oath about a blow job. But this also infected the other networks, accelerating what OJ started, which was a trend towards talking about the news instead of delivering it.
If I could do one thing that would instantly make this country better - for everyone - it'd be to shut down Fox News. Never has such a hostile, partisan, and divisive voice ever dared to call itself "news."
Install the Flash player for Firefox, it's available at macromedia.com
Society said:No swf found in source. Can not unblock something if I do not know what it is. (I block whole servers btw)
No picture in IE either. I guess it is too much work, or too difficult to source posts.
duckroll said:http://www.oliverwillis.com/flashdata/fairandbalanced.flv
Try this.... it's downloading but I'm not sure if it'll work without the other player instructions in the html. It's basically a video that plays within a flashbased video player, hence why it's hard to source.
sefskillz said:The 40 million comes from private donations by investors. The real money being lost here by taxpayers is the money being spent by DC for the extra security.
Something isn't adding up here.The Shadow said:She did look pretty stupid. I really don't see how anyone could defend a $40 million inauguration when troops are dying on a daily basis because of the lack of proper armor. Fucking incredible.
Socreges said:Something isn't adding up here.
The lavishness of the party came specifically from private donations, right? So there wouldn't be money for the military anyways? And whatever federal funds that WERE spent went towards security? So isn't any criticism essentially suggesting that the President's security (to whatever degree) should be compromised for that of the military?
Or am I missing something...
Chrono said:http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/1695
It doesn't work in Firefox (picture doesn't show up). I viewed it in myie.
duckroll said:http://www.oliverwillis.com/flashdata/fairandbalanced.flv
This and the Riva Flash player/encoder I linked below are all you need (it's freeware).![]()
Yeah, but people don't seem to understand that this money is being donated by people with the mind that it will be spent on the Inauguration. Also that a significant amount of the $40 million has gone towards security, I believe, as opposed to the superficial elements.Saturnman said:It's the symbolism of it all, I guess. It's not where the money is coming from, it's how money is spent for whatever purpose. The contrast of a lavish ceremony with a succession of rich men parties compared to cash-strapped military where soldiers are dying because of a lack of equipment (among other things) can be striking.
It just looks bad and seems to be a screwed-up sense of priorities.
Socreges said:Yeah, but people don't seem to understand that this money is being donated by people with the mind that it will be spent on the Inauguration. Also that a significant amount of the $40 million has gone towards security, I believe, as opposed to the superficial elements.
But you didn't pay for the limo. And that's a difference. I understand that this is a problem, but if the collective understood that the money being spent is from individual donations towards this purpose then they wouldn't be so up in arms.Saturnman said:You know, it's like going to a homeless shelter to tell them money is tight and you can't give anymore and then you leave the place in your limo. Even if you didn't pay for the limo, it looks bad.
Socreges said:But you didn't pay for the limo. And that's a difference. I understand that this is a problem, but if the collective understood that the money being spent is from individual donations towards this purpose then they wouldn't be so up in arms.
-->Belfast said:Yeah, but it'd be a bit of goodwill for Bush to say "no, thanks" to all the donations (wonder from what kind of crowd they're coming from, too, huh?) and just say he wants to keep it low key. A party isn't going to happen without him.
I understand that this is a problem, but if the collective understood that the money being spent is from individual donations towards this purpose then they wouldn't be so up in arms.
Absolutely. But there's never (or much of) any mention of donations/donaters in these criticisms.Also, these jerks donating to the inauguration could *also* donate that money to the army in one way or another.
Socreges said:Yeah, but people don't seem to understand that this money is being donated by people with the mind that it will be spent on the Inauguration. Also that a significant amount of the $40 million has gone towards security, I believe, as opposed to the superficial elements.
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Absolutely. But there's never any mention of donations/donaters in these criticisms.
That would be great. And that he didn't, that's a problem.... I haven't said otherwise...DarienA said:Or if Bush said hey it's nice you want to throw all this money for my parties, but why not instead donate it to a charity....
Criticism is warranted, but not as much as I've seen or put in such a way. And I think it's obvious that I'm not saying that the President shouldn't be held responsible [and the donaters should be], but that things should be put into better context.Saturnman said:You vote for the president, not for the donators. The criticism is warranted.
Bush could repair part of his image by going to Iraq or Kuwait in the next few days, before the elections, and show some support for the troops.
Outlaw Pro Mod said:I wonder if....er....well... Suppose if he had...hmm. Yeah, this thread wouldn't exist.
alejob said:How come he gets an inauguration party when he is already president? Totally unnecesary, there should be a law against this.
Diffense said:"I hope something puts a crimp..."
:lol
It's funny how surprised the anchor was that her guest wasn't keeping to the script.
Hagindaz said:Yeah, the Democratic National Convention should've been a small gathering in one of Kerry's mansions and the money they saved would've gone to our soldiers. And it should've been held by candlelight, to save money on electricity.
$40 million is nothing, more money is being wasted by the government every day.
The lavishness of the party came specifically from private donations, right? So there wouldn't be money for the military anyways?