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[Boney]

Is there any article that reported on that? I'd like to know what happened there.

5 remarkable moments

1. Taking on Trumpcare
2. Working Class Heroes
3. Debunking Trump's Coal Lie
4. Sander's Senate Record
5. Preventing future crisis.

3 and 4 are the really interesting ones.

"No one in the audience, not even Trump voters, believed the president would bring back the jobs he promised.

"I don't think he can," state delegate Ed Evans finally said of Trump.

"Let me just stop you right there," interjected moderator Chris Hayes. "Does the room agree with that?"

The response was virtually unanimous."

"The Vermont senator got a big shout-out from a retired miner in the audience Monday night.

"I never dreamt that I'd get to thank you personally for the bill that you are co-sponsoring," he told Sanders of Senate Bill 175. "I'm one of those miners that will lose his health care at the end of April if they don't pass that law. I think it's kind of ironic that a senator from the northeast takes care of my benefits better than someone like Mitch McConnell," he added. "

 

[gondwana]

one of the many failed and laughable talking points of hillarystans was how bernie and democratic socialism would crater when exposed to a mass audience

*dsa membership spikes*
*bernie on tv constantly*

 

[Morat]

fox news: moral decay is upon us. americans love communists and abortions.

I assume this is their angle, yes.

 

[guek]

"I think it's kind of ironic that a senator from the northeast takes care of my benefits better than someone like Mitch McConnell"

Ironic isn't the word I'd use

 

[Protein]

It's going to be interesting when Wikileaks goes after Bernie. I wonder how Wifi voters will react.

 

[diablos991]

We need a younger Bernie. I'm afraid he will be too old and we won't see another like him for some time.

 

[kame-sennin]

Do you guys think bernie would have won against Trump?

I think this shows that a plurality of the American public is to the left of both the republican and democratic leadership in Washington.

 

[Occam]

We need a younger Bernie. I'm afraid he will be too old and we won't see another like him for some time.

Do you feel any kind of shame for having helped the scum of the earth into office?

 

[Trey]

We need a younger Bernie. I'm afraid he will be too old and we won't see another like him for some time.

A better Bernie. A better candidate in general.

 

[kame-sennin]

None of these hypotheticals would have done as much damage as the Republicans and the media did to Hillary over the course of years. Bernie would have had a much better shot than Hillary in the rust belt states that Hillary lost in the general, like Michigan and Pennsylvania.

This was obvious during the campaign, but mainstream dems had their own alternative facts.

Valid points but wistfully thinking about what could have been doesn't do us much good right now.

I disagree. The dem party leadership needs a come to Jesus moment. If they don't reckon with the mistakes they made, they're just going to repeat them in 4 years.

 

[the-pi-guy]

Do you guys think bernie would have won against Trump?

As much as people say yes or no. There's no way to know.
But Bernie does have quite the base.
He would have appealed a lot more to liberals that didn't like Hillary.

Do you feel any kind of shame for having helped the scum of the earth into office?

What on earth did he do?

 

[Kin5290]

Bernie is popular because he's a populist, insurgent candidate who lost. He doesn't have to make his ideas into policy.

 

[kame-sennin]

one of the many failed and laughable talking points of hillarystans was how bernie and democratic socialism would crater when exposed to a mass audience

*dsa membership spikes*
*bernie on tv constantly*

'Settling for what we offer is your best option. Trust us.'

 

[Autoignition]

Sounds like bullshit.

I'd say weed and free wi-fi are way more popular than Sanders and Planned Parenthood combined.

 

[Moofers]

Fox News: Bernie Would Have Won.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

one of the many failed and laughable talking points of hillarystans was how bernie and democratic socialism would crater when exposed to a mass audience

*dsa membership spikes*
*bernie on tv constantly*

Labour membership spiked, still no closer to winning an election.

Don't get me wrong Sanders isn't near the PR disaster Corbyn is, but sometimes a following doesn't translate.

 

[Father_Brain]

Labour membership spiked, still no closer to winning an election.

Don't get me wrong Sanders isn't near the PR disaster Corbyn is, but sometimes a following doesn't translate.

Has Corbyn ever had anywhere near 60% approval with the general public, or 80% approval within Labour?

 

[And_Gignac]

A poll shows a progressive ex-candidate is more popular than the president. Clintonistas call it bullshit because who knows
why (I mean, isnt that a fucking good thing?, why the anger and bs-calling? because such person isnt Clinton?)

I think it has already been established that Bernie is the most popular politician there is. Clintonistas be damned.

 

[JustenP88]

Sounds like bullshit.

I'd say weed and free wi-fi are way more popular than Sanders and Planned Parenthood combined.

You've got to take this exclusive data to a media outlet right away!

A poll shows a progressive candidate is more popular than the president. Clintonistas call it bullshit because who knows
why.

I think it has already been established that Bernie is the most popular politician there is. Clintonistas be damned.

It helps us to pretend that there are no popular politicians on the left. Because of pragmatism or something, I think?

 

[WhateverItTakes]

Has Corbyn ever had anywhere near 60% approval with the general public, or 80% approval within Labour?

According to YouGov no on the public, though you can see there how public opinion took a hit Which was him just straight out of the election so that was pretty inevitable .

Just feels wrong to me how some people are so adamant Sanders would have won. But I was pretty confident in Hillary so what do I know?

 

[Autoignition]

You've got to take this exclusive data to a media outlet right away!

I have to verify it first!! Quick, what do you think the sample size would be here on GAF??

 

[Father_Brain]

According to YouGov no on the public, though you can see there how public opinion took a massive nosedive.

Just feels wrong to me how some people are so adamant Sanders would have won. But I was pretty confident in Hillary so what do I know?

Well, it's useful to keep in mind that the vitriol frequently expressed towards him on this forum and other Dem-affiliated quarters isn't representative of the majority of the American public, and even less so of the Democratic Party as a whole.

We'll never know if he would have won the general election, of course, but the notion that he couldn't possibly have won strikes me as originating from the same universe of failed conventional wisdom that insisted Trump was unelectable and that Hillary was a good choice to run against him despite her deep unpopularity and her being under active FBI investigation.

 

[JustenP88]

I have to verify it first!! Quick, what do you think the sample size would be here on GAF??

I don't know but weed and Wi-Fi would surely poll near 100% here

 

[Tain]

Fox News is getting shook by socialism lately

well they sure as shit don't have reason to worry about the DNC

 

[Father_Brain]

Oh, hey, Sanders is more popular with women and significantly more popular with POC than with men and whites. Hmm.

 

[kirblar]

Oh, hey, Sanders is more popular with women and significantly more popular with POC than with men and whites. Hmm.

Yes, the GOP leans White and Male while the Dems lean *literally everything else*.

That is what you are seeing there, it has nothing to do with intra-party leadership preferences.

 

[ZOONAMI]

At that town hall he did in the Trump county I later found out that after it was over he stayed and talked with people individually as they aired their grievances.

Bernie is pretty damn rad

Bernie is an actual populist whereas the orange turd is just a con man.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Bernie is a real human being: someone who truly cares about others' well being, not about enriching himself or making himself more powerful. He views his actions as a moral obligation to those around him. And that makes all the difference. I truly believe if he had won the presidency and the democrats picked up significant down-ticket wins, that we would have been well on our way to a 'New' New Deal.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Bernie is a real human being: someone who truly cares about others' well being, not about enriching himself or making himself more powerful. He views his actions as a moral obligation to those around him. And that makes all the difference. I truly believe if he had won the presidency and the democrats picked up significant down-ticket wins, that we would have been well on our way to a 'New' New Deal.

Yeah, I think he had a real shot at being one of the best ever POTUS.

Him not being beholden to corporate interests and truly giving a shit about the middle and lower class is a rare position in politics.

Instead we got Trump and Co. lining the coffers of the 1% and pushing the rest of us down further.

 

[Father_Brain]

Yes, the GOP leans White and Male while the Dems lean *literally everything else*.

That is what you are seeing there, it has nothing to do with intra-party leadership preferences.

Of course it doesn't say anything about Sanders' favorability relative to others within the party (though in a YouGov poll a few months back, he was behind only Obama and Biden, slightly ahead of Clinton with significantly lower unfavorables than hers, and far ahead of Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and Warren).

But the way Sanders and his supporters are often discussed here, you'd think that (a) he was an incredibly polarizing, divisive figure within the party, and (b) he is actively off-putting to everyone but white men. It's clear that neither of those is at all true.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Of course it doesn't say anything about Sanders' favorability relative to others within the party (though in a YouGov poll a few months back, he was behind only Obama and Biden, slightly ahead of Clinton with significantly lower unfavorables than hers, and far ahead of Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, and Warren).

But the way Sanders and his supporters are often discussed here, you'd think that (a) he was an incredibly polarizing, divisive figure within the party, and (b) he is actively off-putting to everyone but white men. It's clear that neither of those is at all true.

I wish Biden would have at least given a run a shot. It really sort of was the party bowing down to giving Hillary the green light.

 

[Xe4]

I wish Biden would have at least given a run a shot. It really sort of was the party bowing down to giving Hillary the green light.

I mean, his son died, you can hardly blame the man.

Barring some major controversy I think he's the one person I can confidently say would've beat Trump though.

 

[Henchmen21]

A poll shows a progressive ex-candidate is more popular than the president. Clintonistas call it bullshit because who knows
why (I mean, isnt that a fucking good thing?, why the anger and bs-calling? because such person isnt Clinton?)

I think it has already been established that Bernie is the most popular politician there is. Clintonistas be damned.

You've got to take this exclusive data to a media outlet right away!




It helps us to pretend that there are no popular politicians on the left. Because of pragmatism or something, I think?

It's like they love being wrong all the time.

"Trump will never be the republican nominee"
"Trump will never be the president"
"Hillary is the most qualified nominee since Jesus!"
"Bernie won't win because reasons!"

Keep taking that L Hillgaf

 

[shamanick]

Oh, hey, Sanders is more popular with women and significantly more popular with POC than with men and whites. Hmm.

They're all honorary dudebros™

 

[MrGerbils]

God I wish the rest of the democratic party would take this to heart. People like Bernie. People like his policies.

You want Bernie's energy, don't ask for his email list, ask him about his positions and his real human outreach.

So far everything the Democrats are doing show that they're learning nothing though, and instead just want to focus on pointless Russia bullshit.




Also: Bernie woulda won.

 

[fantomena]

It's like they love being wrong all the time.

"Trump will never be the republican nominee"
"Trump will never be the president"
"Hillary is the most qualified nominee since Jesus!"
"Bernie won't win because reasons!"

Keep taking that L Hillgaf

OT 2016 election thread first few pages: "Hillary will win this by a landslide. It is known. YASS QUEEEN"

A few hours later: "GAF, can we panick now?"

 

[btrboyev]

Do you guys think bernie would have won against Trump?

Yes

 

[Tain]

Also: Bernie woulda won.

https://twitter.com/QueerCommieCat/status/818191680763465729

 

[SL128]

According to YouGov no on the public, though you can see there how public opinion took a massive nosedive.

Just feels wrong to me how some people are so adamant Sanders would have won. But I was pretty confident in Hillary so what do I know?

The YouGov data shows Corbyn as having been steady for about two years, except for a decline in from June-August 2016, and a steady rise since then.

What nosedive are you talking about? Are you including the one-month spike of low-n data?

 

[phanphare]

https://twitter.com/QueerCommieCat/status/818191680763465729

that was pretty funny

Spoiler

also facts ;_;

 

[Henchmen21]

OT 2016 election thread first few pages: "Hilly will win this by a landslide. It is known. YASS QUEEEN"

A few hours later: "GAF, can we panick now?"

You know what's funny about that, is that a common phrase used by clinton fans (not exclusive to GAF) was "is this your first election?" Sure seems like the pot calling the kettle black

https://twitter.com/QueerCommieCat/status/818191680763465729

Can't view it since I don't have twitter. Whats it say? (PM it if it's NSFW)

 

[aeolist]

I mean, his son died, you can hardly blame the man.

Barring some major controversy I think he's the one person I can confidently say would've beat Trump though.

obama also personally pressured him not to run

the party power-brokers absolutely cleared the deck for hillary

 

[Tain]

Can't view it since I don't have twitter. Whats it say? (PM it if it's NSFW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I there we go, YT link, also sfw

 

[shamanick]

obama also personally pressured him not to run

the party power-brokers absolutely cleared the deck for hillary

What are you talking about? O'Malley, Chafee and Webb were the absolute best that the Democratic party has to offer (next to Clinton, of course).

 

[JustenP88]

Can't view it since I don't have twitter. Whats it say? (PM it if it's NSFW)

"Bernie would have won."

 

[Henchmen21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I there we go, YT link, also sfw

Ok. Seen that. It's crap. Not because its message (which is true) but because the phrase "Bernie would have won" syncs up so much better with Aerosmith's "Janie's Got A Gun"

 

[Makonero]

What are you talking about? O'Malley, Chafee and Webb were the absolute best that the Democratic party has to offer (next to Clinton, of course).

who who and who?

 

[shamanick]

who who and who?

Exactly

 

[Mutant]

We need a younger Bernie. I'm afraid he will be too old and we won't see another like him for some time.

Then you should check out Buttigieg!

 

[Log4Girlz]

This is how stats work, 1,000+ is more than enough.

Fake math