Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
What are you going to buy now, since the Xbox One is essentially the same specs?
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What are you going to buy now, since the Xbox One is essentially the same specs?
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
You just made the person whe preordered after you pretty happy.Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Shots fired!
Various Artists
Banned
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Wow this is just dumb. DOnt know if its real but cmon, you did this about a rumor?
Joel Was Right
Member
Microsoft showed what they were doing with their OS to justify the memory allocation. Sony need to show why they've decided to allocate more for their system - what are they doing that needs this much RAM?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Fluidity? Let's not get out of hand here.
yes. it will do only gaming related multitasking, like vita. with 3.5 gigs of ram.
Monty Mole
Member
WTF @ all the pre-order cancellation stuff.
They can reduce the OS footprint/memory reservation over time, just like they did on PS3. This goes for Xbox One too. People be overreacting.
They can reduce the OS footprint/memory reservation over time, just like they did on PS3. This goes for Xbox One too. People be overreacting.
Angelcurio
Member
That´s more ram than what i have for my Laptop and Tablet together. 3.5 GB is an insane amount of Ram for an OS, what kind funtions or apps require that much memory? i hope we get some kind of official clarification about it because it certainly reduces the ram available for games by almost a 50%.
Calavera520
Member
Hmm I think you're on to something. Lets explore further
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
You cancelled you pre-order based on an unconfirmed report? Even if the report were true, the memory footprint of the OS for both the Xbox One and PS4 will go down as the generation goes on.
Bill Rizer
Member
So if Ps4 shipped with 4GB as originally planned, it would have got 512MB Ram for games, right? PlayStation3.01?
lol nono, I thought he meant common sense, not insider stuff.^^ I'm definitely no insider.
Wind's Howling
Member
I would not be surprised if a few years into the PS4's cycle the OS size will be reduced by 1 gig thanks to optimization.
I mean; that is doable. Right?
I mean; that is doable. Right?
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Quick on the draw, aye? Not even waiting on a confirmation, lol? I know I'll still be getting one either way. An Xbox One down the road as well.
I think they were waiting for comment. The comment they got was probably 'no comment'
Various Artists
Banned
PLus Half Life 3 plus PS4 is 3+4 = 7
Neuromancer
Member
OK you've convinced me, this may actually be pretty awesome and smart of Sony.
I think you preordered just so you could cancel and be the drama queen of GAF.
Home without Loading and 15min Game Video Capture?
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
But 3.5 GB's worth? Really? What the hell are Sony and MS thinking? MS in particular; I'm sure they could've optimized their OS to take up less of a footprint than 3GB. But I'm particularly stunned by Sony here; if their PS4 OS is based on FreeBSD, why in the hell do they need 3.5 GB of GDDR5 RAM for multitasking features, present or future? FreeBSD is much less bloated than the Windows kernel.
For comparisons sake, look at what the PS3 and 360 were able to do this gen while reserving only 1/8 or 1/10th of their platform's RAM for multitasking (and not up to 50% of it, like these new systems are pushing). Sure in most cases it isn't "run web browser and Skype and game and blahblahblah at once", but I would not think you'd need 3-3.5 GB to suddenly implement that functionality.
The video encoding/decoding stuff....I'm not sure of Xbone's setup there, but doesn't PS4 have dedicated hardware for that? If they're taking away that much GDDR5 for a feature like that, why not just make the dedicated hardware....better? At this point why is it even there (I'm not being sarcastic; would actually like to know the purpose).
I really get the feeling Sony is being reactionary here regarding the RAM reserves for multitasking, and it's a bit of a crying shame. Never did I buy into the fact they were completely against the multitasking angle and only going games, not for a second. But I did think they would've done more to ensure high-end game development than lock away almost half of their GDDR5 memory for multitasking apps.
Sigh, I'm a bit upset over this. But in the end I guess it's all about the games. I'll still try getting a PS4 this fall or early next year and an Xbone and WiiU later on, but I am seriously NOT digging the media social app angle these systems are shoving around. I have a computer for that stuff. I buy a game console to play games, not watch films or listen to music. And for people who buy them for that, they could just as easily get a cheap computer in the same price-point more than capable of that and true multitasking (or a tablet even).
Hell the only way I'll ever really embrace the media angle of these systems is if the games themselves take full advantage of what's there, and most devs aren't creative enough to figure that one out.
Good luck, Kojima.
ADDENDUM:
Considering this Eurogamer stuff is even true, of course. I hope it's just a nightmare I'm having right now.
DeadlyVirus
Member
And yet no developer knew that the final box was going to have 8GB. The guerilla representative even said that on an interview at E3. They were aiming for more than 4gb, because the devkit had more than 4gb. And some optimization would bring the usage down to 4GB
FairXchange
Member
It's better to cap off OS space from the start and give it back incrementally rather than lose functionality for future services because of some invisible spec war.
It could be possible that they didn't want the xb1 to offer any better OS features.
It isn't!
battlefieldfan1
Banned
Doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has better engineers. For god's sake, SONY had to outsource the architectural design of the PS4.
PrivateWHudson
Member
But X1 has discounted and robust cloud and eRAM and K2, halo, titanfall, state of decay. Makes the race much closer for me.
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Talk about jumping the gun.
Projectjustice
Banned
It was my mistake, it was a rumor.
http://ps4daily.com/2013/04/playstation-4-developers-7-gb-ram/
First reported here and then discussed here.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538575
I swear I thought I read an interview where someone confirmed it.
Anyways, most were under the impression that the OS footprint was only 1GB.
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
A cancelled PS4 is a cancelled xbox user trying to get a ps4.
The endless circle of justice
Mihos
Gold Member
Pre-order cancelled. How about you?
Was this a release day one? How long til it goes back into the pool so I can add it to my cart?
anexanhume
Member
Somebody should compile a list
also this thread is crazy, people can't you wait for some kind of official confirmation?
I'm not really following this, it's all a bit vague, but even IF almost half the RAM is being used for the OS... who cares?
Like really, stop acting like the amount of RAM is some kind of special sauce that will make all games look and play better, it isn't. Not having enough RAM is a problem (see current-gen consoles and games struggling with them), but once you reach a certain amount adding to it doesn't matter anymore in most cases. 4GB of RAM reserved for games is perfectly fine already, everything on top of that is a nice bonus and very likely (for 95% of next-gen games) not to be used anyway. Having 8GB is great, but not having 8GB (or even 7GB or 6GB) purely for games is completely fine and acceptable.
Fact remains that the PS4-RAM is GDDR5, which is really, really fast, now that's what is important. But even then RAM isn't gonna help Sony sell PS4's, nor is it gonna help the PS4 beat the Xbox One, nor is it gonna give the PS4 better graphics in a significant way for most games. It was never the killer-feature. THIS SHOULD NOT BE A BIG DEAL AT ALL NOR SHOULD IT EVER HAVE BEEN (well, except for tech lovers like me maybe. Let's just say it shouldn't be a big deal to the everyday gamer, that includes most of GAF.) Though I agree it is a bit dissapointing if what I read in this thread is true, it should only be because Sony broke a 'promise' they made and not the implications this has for games in the years to come.
That said, 3.5GB seems a bit overkill for OS. I can see how streaming, video-recording and all that will bring up the amount of RAM needed to keep everything running smooth, but even then they must be capable of optimizing their OS a bit better. On top of that it's also kinda strange that they were able to run their OS at all before they upgraded to 8GB (instead of 4GB) last-minute, of course that might be the reason they upgraded, but I doubt it.
Allright, that's all. Now continue the march with torches and pitchforks to the Sony HQ.
Like really, stop acting like the amount of RAM is some kind of special sauce that will make all games look and play better, it isn't. Not having enough RAM is a problem (see current-gen consoles and games struggling with them), but once you reach a certain amount adding to it doesn't matter anymore in most cases. 4GB of RAM reserved for games is perfectly fine already, everything on top of that is a nice bonus and very likely (for 95% of next-gen games) not to be used anyway. Having 8GB is great, but not having 8GB (or even 7GB or 6GB) purely for games is completely fine and acceptable.
Fact remains that the PS4-RAM is GDDR5, which is really, really fast, now that's what is important. But even then RAM isn't gonna help Sony sell PS4's, nor is it gonna help the PS4 beat the Xbox One, nor is it gonna give the PS4 better graphics in a significant way for most games. It was never the killer-feature. THIS SHOULD NOT BE A BIG DEAL AT ALL NOR SHOULD IT EVER HAVE BEEN (well, except for tech lovers like me maybe. Let's just say it shouldn't be a big deal to the everyday gamer, that includes most of GAF.
) Though I agree it is a bit dissapointing if what I read in this thread is true, it should only be because Sony broke a 'promise' they made and not the implications this has for games in the years to come.That said, 3.5GB seems a bit overkill for OS. I can see how streaming, video-recording and all that will bring up the amount of RAM needed to keep everything running smooth, but even then they must be capable of optimizing their OS a bit better. On top of that it's also kinda strange that they were able to run their OS at all before they upgraded to 8GB (instead of 4GB) last-minute, of course that might be the reason they upgraded, but I doubt it.
Allright, that's all. Now continue the march with torches and pitchforks to the Sony HQ.
littlebirdtoldme
Banned
there is no high end pc gaming anymore..
anyway ps4 is not very powerful. Its a cheap budget console. The only thing that actually set it apart. was the ram.
now that is gone.