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[Senor Kami]

Pre-order cancelled. How about you?

Outstanding

 

[OldAsUrSock]

That's a tech demo, not an actual game where you have to take into account enemy AI, levels, game world rules, etc.

That is done by the CPU.

 

[SolidusDave]

Having less RAM available for games than the XB1 doesn't seem like a smart idea even if it's faster RAM...

That ca. 1 GB of flexible RAM sounds weird. Why do you have to apply for it / first party only atm? And why would there be situations (games), in which the OS never needs this 1 GB?

2GB sounds far more reasonable. Leaving some room to implement more features while simultaneously reducing the memory footprint over time.


Maybe Sony isn't sure how well MS's 3xOS + Kinect is received and want to implement the same in case people are complaining the PS4 can't do all that? (like assuming the PSEye runs at all times in the background for gestures etc. even though it's optional for gamers, then DVR stuff etc.).

 

[RibbedHero]

Yes, to your CPU. Not your ram, lol

CPU hit is quite small, this is lossless recording remember. The bigger hit is to your HDD which gets absolutely destroyed if you're loading off it.

 

[op_ivy]

Guess not. Guess Sony is going to announce at Gamescom their partnership with ESPN2 and Telemundo and how they've completely did a 180 and are now a set top box. Stop being obtuse. Besides, this is a rumor until we get confirmation.

what the fuck do you think they are doing with 3.5 gigs? seriously?

look, i'm having a bit of fun at some posters expense. my shtick is aimed squarely at people that said MS was dumb for dedicating 3 of its 8 gigs of RAM for its OS but have now spun the news that the ps4 is using 3.5 of its 8 as a positive.

i know consoles have been media boxes forever and i'm ok with it. i think 5 (or 4.5) gigs is plenty of ram. i think both sony and MS will be doing really really awesome stuff on the operating system side of things.

 

[diaspora]

That is done by the CPU.

Jaguar. Ouch.

 

[B.O.O.M]

fafuq... 3.5 is WAY TOO MUCH!

and didn't the author say that Sony responded or something? Where is that statement?

 

[Kopite]

Didn't Jonathan Blow tweet that The Wirtness was using something like 6-7GB RAM? Surely he'd know if they could only use 5.5GB?

 

[Zornack]

anyway ps4 is not very powerful. Its a cheap budget console. The only thing that actually set it apart. was the ram.

now that is gone.

1.5 less GB of RAM than was rumored, CONSOLE IS DOOMED

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Find it rather telling that no insider has come in here debunking this. If true it reduces the value proposition of the console.

If not true, it proves that Eurogamer has a clear Microsoft bias.

 

[Auto_aim1]

Digital Foundry's report isn't that clear. Wish they could have added more information or tried to find out more about this before publishing.

 

[Stoof]

Can't wait for Sony to clear the misconceptions by confirming the OS takes up 7.5 GBs so the developers can breathe a sigh of relief at being able to continue using their 512 MBs

 

[ekim]

Where is Sony's supposed statement?

 

[glenn8]

Didn't Jonathan Blow tweet that The Wirtness was using something like 6-7GB RAM? Surely he'd know if they could only use 5.5GB?

I actually also heard a game was using 7gb of ram. The witness I think?

 

[Leonsito]

What the fuck are the X1 and PS4 operative systems doing? What the hell, waste of resources with a lot of stupid bullshit not related to playing games

 

[FunkyPajamas]

ArsTechnica is also reporting it now:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/07/report-os-overhead-takes-up-3-5gb-of-ps4s-8gb-of-ram/

Still citing DF as the source though.

 

[CF22]

Apparently these multi-billion dollar companies have been procrastinating. We're like 3-4 months away from launch and they're still working on specs and building an OS. These things should've been laid down months ago and by now the only thing they should be working on is production and marketing. This goes for both Microsoft and Sony.

 

[DC1]

Mark Cerny isn't a SONY employee. He's merely a consultant.

Nooo ....he's part of SOE/Sony Corp. It was part of his "big tradition" as discussed in one of his conferences.

By all means, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Just a guess, But You have to think for them to record lots of video in the back ground they will probably store a lot of it in ram before they write it to the hard drive.

It does not work that way .
Just look at how much ram DVRs have .

 

[Dennis]

Then how can it be that Sony almost went with 4GB RAM?

That would have left 0.5GB for games..........

.........something doesn't add up.

3.5GB for OS? lollers

 

[Neuromancer]

 

[Can Crusher]

A lot hearts already broken and only one site so far that is reporting this. Damn.

If Eurogamer fumbles it, they will get a bad rap for years. Since Sony is keeping hush hush, I bet it's true.

 

[watchdog]

Just give me good looking games that run well and I'll be a happy gamer.

 

[op_ivy]

Funny how Jonathan Blow already blew by that 4.5 'confirmed limit' and jumping into .5 of the speculated 'flex ram' territory.

lol

 

[DR2K]

Os doesn't need that much.

 

[netBuff]

Find it rather telling that no insider has come in here debunking this. If true it reduces the value proposition of the console.

If not true, it proves that Eurogamer has a clear Microsoft bias.

While I would trust Eurogamer with an article such as this, haven't there been a few insiders saying the article is potentially wrong? I still have some hope left

 

[brandnew]

soooo, they double the ram almost entirely to expand the OS footprint... doubtful.

This is what I'm thinking too. It may be weird to cite this, but when Adam Boyes was talking about how they decided on going with 8 gigs of RAM instead of 4 it was because it would make game development easier/better. So either that was a not true or this report isn't accurate. Or devs originally would only have less than 3 gigs to work with.

 

[iratA]

It also took place in a single room. Think Bigger.

No. Its a tech demo built to show what the system is capable of doing with its 'available resources' and it used only 4GB GDDR which is within this supposed 4.5GB limit. You don't go around building flashy tech demos without using most if not all of the available resources.

 

[CambriaRising]

Just a guess, But You have to think for them to record lots of video in the back ground they will probably store a lot of it in ram before they write it to the hard drive.

That's not how it works.

 

[Nakazato]

lol

 

[JawzPause]

Find it rather telling that no insider has come in here debunking this. If true it reduces the value proposition of the console.

If not true, it proves that Eurogamer has a clear Microsoft bias.

Actually...

Don't worry.This article is all wrong.

 

[uncharted86]

Nooo ....he's part of SOE/Sony Corp. It was part of his "big tradition" as discussed in one of his conferences.

By all means, correct me if I'm wrong.

He is president of Cerny Games. I think he said in his speak in Brighton that he is not paid by Sony.

 

[DietRob]

Always on point..

 

[FunkyPajamas]

Confirmed by Kaz himself. Mods, update the thread title.

 

[dragonfart28]

Then how can it be that Sony almost went with 4GB RAM?

That would have left 0.5GB for games..........

.........something doesn't add up.

3.5GB for OS? lollers

They announced the RAM upgrade at E3, probably to match Xbone's OS functionality.

 

[op_ivy]

holy shit i love that guy!

 

[ctothej]

So wait, is this actually confirmed yet? Most major gaming websites haven't reported this.

 

[littlebirdtoldme]

It is still the more powerful console, with a better GPU and better RAM. But if this article turns out true, a bit too much of it is reserved for system functions for my taste.

more powerful than ms cablebox. sure.

but that is not good enough.

 

[IcyEyes]

No everything is fine.

Awesome

 

[glenn8]

Was like NOOOOO and then AHAHAHAH

 

[LunaticHigh]

there is no high end pc gaming anymore..

anyway ps4 is not very powerful. Its a cheap budget console. The only thing that actually set it apart. was the ram.

now that is gone.

I don't understand how that's gone. It still has a massive memory advantage over the XBONE.

 

[Bossofman]

I was picturing what a 7gb MultiPlatform Game was going to like like against a 5gb game, now it seems to be 5 vs 4.5, way to spoil this Girls Hard-On, Sony.

 

[Lambda Pie]

If Eurogamer fumbles it, they will get a bad rap for years. Since Sony is keeping hush hush, I bet it's true.

folks shuld tweet that japanese dude and the Boyes guy for clarification.

it's not bad news, it's just... dissapoiting. nothing justifies a minimum 2.5GB OS.

 

[DigitalOp]

What the fuck is going on with these so called "gamers"??

Buy a system and play the games...

By these types of threads you would think people are playing the RAM. Its ridiculous, pathetic, and hilarious all at the same time!!

Never change certain subsection of GAF.

Edit: its like no one wants to use their brain and think...

A. 4.5 compared to 512mb is a stupid nice upgrade. How is that bad?
B. As the system gets older, the OS footprint could possibly shrink giving back more memory

 

[Neuromancer]

 

[JoeTheBlow]

Digital Foundry's report isn't that clear. Wish they could have added more information or tried to find out more about this before publishing.

It looks like he's gone off old dev docs and the old Killzone slides.
If there is any other source of info there, i'm missing it. I can only imagine that he saw that spanish site tweet and wanted to take a chance with getting a scoop.
One that was a negative to Sony would be irresistible to that fuckwit.

 

[OldAsUrSock]

He is like the only guy I can't wait to see what is tweeted.

 

[Demon Ice]

Pre-order cancelled. How about you?

Fucking lol

 

[battlefieldfan1]

Nooo ....he's part of SOE/Sony Corp. It was part of his "big tradition" as discussed in one of his conferences.

By all means, correct me if I'm wrong.

I've read his bio. He helped SONY with programming and designing their games before the PS4, but nothing suggests he's actually an official employee there.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Pre-order cancelled. How about you?

I wish more people would do the same. Cause by the time i decide if i even want one at launch, i might have some available stock.