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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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Post is golden. Not as good as the original but still.
Apparently you're to assume everyone is just trolling for the lulz.
NullPointer
Member
Lets just assume that reserved space is for future Oculus Rift support.
All better now.
All better now.
How many OS have you worked on?
No one can answer that question, but there are a ton of features that are being implemented at the OS level. For example: Vita Remote Play, save states, instant on / off, background updates; etc. etc.
One thing is for sure though: if GAF honestly believes 5 GB of DDR3 = 5 GB GDDR5, and ports will finally start looking the same, than I think we need more than an intervention.
Junior Mint
Member
Yes, get the Xbone. Much more of a gamer's box.
TheRealTalker
Banned
thread is done... done is thread.... nice to see some logic come back in here after a slew of people descended into madness
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Really? :lol
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I guess the benefits of giving even more RAM (which is already quite fine) to devs wouldn't balance if PS4 can't compete on the OS front.
And GDDR5 is already a benefit over GDDR3 even in the same quantity
JonathanPower
Member
This argument does not make sense. Xbox360 had 32MB of RAM reserved for the OS, while Sony had 120 MB initially. If the problem was RAM, then why MS had more OS functionalities with less memory?
PlanetSmasher
Banned
That just makes it so much worse.
dragonbane
Member
I don't think the RAM has something to do with that tbh. It is more about the features, how they are integrated and how the thing is marketed. If you want a "gamers" box that is solely about power build yourself a nice PC.
The bottom line is: PS4 is still way more powerful, devs are happy and Sony's first party is going to show MS where it's at when it comes to graphics just like this gen. Nothing more, nothing less. Eventually the PS4 will have more RAM available for games than the XB1, because that's where Sony's focus still is. Build a console for gamers. For now they are playing it safe, giving developers exactly what they need and reserving the rest for bad days. This goes for the OS and games. You wouldn't see massive improvements in third party games either way, developers are too lazy for that, gamer's box or not. 7GB of RAM or not.
It all comes down to taste and what games you like anyway. For me the PS4 is the only gamer's box, just because I like Sony's first party output way more then MS. For me that difference doesn't come because of power. It comes because I think they make the better and more varied games.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It effects me as a consumer simply because there is ram allocated to functions I may or may not want over features I do. It shows regardless of Sonys messaging, they are just as committed to being an all in one box, rather than concentrating all their resources into doing one thing really well.
Some are just trying to downplay the bandwidth gap by bringing up the latency issue already.
hell the only thing that made me give huge respect to consoles was the os part. a small ass os, the rest for gaming. but this is far from being small, it takes a bit less than my pc with shitload stuff and games running.
i see the xbone going more aio hence 3gb for 3 os, but i thought at least the ps4 would have more ram(6.5 to 7)
the thing was ps4 could have done a lot greater in both exclusives and even cross titles. it would have pushed the gaming scene even more, ecen xbox would profit on that. but now theyre on the same limited boat.
for that huge amount of reserved ram i want an aio device sony hope you can deliver
i see the xbone going more aio hence 3gb for 3 os, but i thought at least the ps4 would have more ram(6.5 to 7)
the thing was ps4 could have done a lot greater in both exclusives and even cross titles. it would have pushed the gaming scene even more, ecen xbox would profit on that. but now theyre on the same limited boat.
for that huge amount of reserved ram i want an aio device sony hope you can deliver
Microsoft designs operation systems for a living. More importantly, the foundation of Xbox Live was built around features like cross game chat, achievements, and the friends list on an OS level. Sony is no where near as good as MS at designing an operation system, but the goal of the PS4 is to make something appealing to the gamer, but competent for the mass market.
You mean amazing?
It was a reply to a poster's statement that all this ram business was a dick measuring contest.
dragonbane
Member
Suddenly it makes sense why they reserved such a large amount for the OS. Just saying
mangochutney
Member
So then what is the flexi-RAM about?
Additionally - I have no idea if this is the case but have seen people say it, doesn't the Vita OS shrink dramatically whilst in a game, can the same principle not be applied here?
It's what I assumed the flexible RAM was, that if needed the OS and background apps can shrink by 1GB.
There isn't an answer to it as nobody can predict the future. It's just a little worrisome for me, that the cap might be lowered when this is the system we're dealing with for the next 7 years or so.
Only idiots are thinking that DDR3=DDR5.
R3TRO
Member
Ell oh ell indeed.
You have NFI do you?
There is no reason what so ever to not run a home console system at it's max clocks at launch only to up the clockspeed later!
PlanetSmasher
Banned
I mean worse. I have absolutely zero use for, and zero desire to ever purchase, the Oculus Rift. Screw that noise.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Why does it matter to consumers how much is reserved for the OS?
Also, people should stop comparing XBLG to PS+.
Also, people should stop comparing XBLG to PS+.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Get it popping. Who are his sources?
i agree, especially with failure considerations (unless they tested beforehand) but didn't they do something similar with psp?
RROD and YLOD.
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't know what this means...over what features?
Canis lupus
Member
Whats a vidicle?
mangochutney
Member
It doesn't, because it has a dedicated chip to do the encoding, my STB has only 128MB of cheap ass RAM and can record or timeshift hours and hours of HD channels owing to the dedicated encoding chip.Suddenly it makes sense why they reserved such a large amount. Just saying
It has 8 GB but 1.5 GB is for the OS 1GB is for future features , 1GB is in limbo but devs can use it if needed, and 4.5 is just for games.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Sony has usage data on what people do with their machines. All evidence shows that people use their consoles for a lot more than playing videogames. Sony is just giving people what they want, and don't want to be caught flat-footed again.
thats how I read into this. Sony wants to be flexible and everyone that screamed for cross game chat for the ps3 should understand this.
8 GB of GDDR5 RAM
4.5GB Minimum
5.5 GB is accessible if needed
1GB Reserved for Future OS Updates
1.5 GB Reserved for current OS.
Xbudz
Member
HHG used one of his E3 videos to take a quote from an admitted non-coder so he could latch onto this current PS4 dRAMa so people would watch his ad-sponsored video.
The PR [edit: QA person] from Quantic Dream he spoke to simply mentioned they were using half of what's available on PS4, which can be taken a number of ways. There is no confirmation, and his sources is [edit: probably] the PR [edit: QA guy] .
Can you be more specific on the differences between PS4 and X1 ports?
DC1
Member
8GB confirmed
R: 5.5 game Vs. 2.5 OS/reserved.
Multiple Sony devs denied the allocation but did not provide clarity.
Still waiting on Sony rebuttal/Clarification.
The only thing I can tell you is that a few developers have even went so far as to say something akin to: "What do we do with ALL OF THIS RAM?"
In two or three years time, expectations will change, and at that time, I expect both machines to optimize operating systems and offer more RAM. I don't know much more to say to you guys, this knee jerk reaction is all over the place.
Developer's are not asking for more, but GAF is? What type of bizzaro world is this.
NullPointer
Member
Truthfact: "worse" is Hungarian for "fuck-awesome".
But then what about recording 1080p games? That would mean 1GB of RAM would need to be reserved. Unless the PS4 records 1080p games at 720p which would be lame.Suddenly it makes sense why they reserved such a large amount for the OS. Just saying
Of course none of this would be an issue if it records straight to the HDD like any other device with DVR functionality.
TheLegendary
Member
Sure, that too. But I think this approach was at least partially used because of the issues they had in responding to MS last gen.
I expect MS has a lot more planned in this area than Sony, but who knows. We'll see.
Thank you.
? What the hell are you even talking about?
dragonbane
Member
The dedicated chip in the PS4 doesn't have any RAM as far as I know. That chip is just going to make sure that no CPU and GPU resources are wasted. The same cannot be said for RAM.
DC1
Member
Watch again.
He said he called a couple of his Sony sources and they confirmed that they had "much more" GBs for gaming.
edit: it's near the end. He also states that he would like to drop names ..but can't.
Not a apologists.. just making sure that our facts are in order.
famousmortimer
Banned
I still don't know any numbers so don't read too much into this.
The thing I find funny about this entire thing is that it's totally perception vs reality and a lot of you had no idea you were on the perception side of things.
Sony never said anything about their os size and nor should they. My understanding is that Microsoft never did either, that info came from leaked documents. Sony fans held onto this idea that the os was 1gb despite having no credible source ever mention that. None of the leakers here mentioned anything, no sites of note posted anything. It was basically an urban legend that people took as fact.
At the same time people assumed that the 3gb used by Microsoft was a waste. Why? I have no idea. No developer ever complained about the ram available to them. No website of note complained that it was filled with bloat. Generally speaking everyone in the know expects multiplats to be roughly equal for a year or two atleast. There was never any reason to be upset with ms over their hardware config. If you want to get upset about kinect and the costs associated with that... fine. But the os? There was never any reason to think poorly about it but people did, foolishly.
So here we are and guess what... both OS's are going to use memory. The wii u uses 1gb for fuck's sake, did you guys really think the xbox one or ps4 were going to use less? Especially when both are built around multitasking and recording gameplay. I stream and record stuff on my pc right now and guess what.... when I do that my performance suffers. So to think they wouldn't reserve the space for this (dedicated cores, ram, etc) was silly.
So the perception on gaf was that 7gb of ram was going to be used. The reality is that the number is lower. The perception is that this is something to get upset about. The reality is that devs knew this the entire time they were talking about how developer friendly the box is. Nothing has actually changed except for your perception.
The thing I find funny about this entire thing is that it's totally perception vs reality and a lot of you had no idea you were on the perception side of things.
Sony never said anything about their os size and nor should they. My understanding is that Microsoft never did either, that info came from leaked documents. Sony fans held onto this idea that the os was 1gb despite having no credible source ever mention that. None of the leakers here mentioned anything, no sites of note posted anything. It was basically an urban legend that people took as fact.
At the same time people assumed that the 3gb used by Microsoft was a waste. Why? I have no idea. No developer ever complained about the ram available to them. No website of note complained that it was filled with bloat. Generally speaking everyone in the know expects multiplats to be roughly equal for a year or two atleast. There was never any reason to be upset with ms over their hardware config. If you want to get upset about kinect and the costs associated with that... fine. But the os? There was never any reason to think poorly about it but people did, foolishly.
So here we are and guess what... both OS's are going to use memory. The wii u uses 1gb for fuck's sake, did you guys really think the xbox one or ps4 were going to use less? Especially when both are built around multitasking and recording gameplay. I stream and record stuff on my pc right now and guess what.... when I do that my performance suffers. So to think they wouldn't reserve the space for this (dedicated cores, ram, etc) was silly.
So the perception on gaf was that 7gb of ram was going to be used. The reality is that the number is lower. The perception is that this is something to get upset about. The reality is that devs knew this the entire time they were talking about how developer friendly the box is. Nothing has actually changed except for your perception.
I'm not a programmer. I've been told something akin to comparing a Gamecube to an Xbox.
It's beyond ridiculous that you're surprised by the reaction.
Honestly. I can't even tell if you're being defensive, or facetious.