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MassiveAttack
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Bebpo said:
Bannable offense, no?
I played the game at Gamestop during lunch, they had the final running in the demo 360. The game looks really good and it plays great. I don't know if I'm going to get it considering all the good games coming starting next week, but I'm a sucker for racing games.
I didn't notice the horrible framerate, I believe the framerate it's up there with NFS MW, a game that I really enjoy playing.
I didn't notice the horrible framerate, I believe the framerate it's up there with NFS MW, a game that I really enjoy playing.
PanopticBlue
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op_ivy said:
aaaaaaaaaaaand finally some truth.
Which is funny because they are people in this thread thrashing Full Auto, but couldn't see the absolutely horrible amount of framedrops present in NFSMW when running in HD. (and tearing! which is not in Full auto)
Hmm.
One other thing that is annoying as hell is this game has a load screen to get to another load screen to get to the menu loading screen after every race. If you just want to restart a race in the middle you have to go through 2 load screens. I kinda expected a complete lack of polish since its sega though.
robot
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I agree, the framerate doesn't hurt the game at all.
Just finished playing this game for about 2 hours. First, I tried a quick arcade game, and I thought - what the hell is everyone complaining about? It's a racing game with weapons, and it accomplishes exactly what it's trying to do. The more I played though, the more things I found that made me think "What were/weren't they thinking?"
To start things off, I encountered a pretty lousy bug within the first 10 minutes of playing. After I played that game of arcade mode, I went and started Career mode. I was playing a track that restricted me to using 1 car, and 1 weapon set. In the middle of the race, a friend of mine sent me an invite, so I accepted. Once in the Live game, I noticed I could only select 1 car and 1 weapon set. Coincidentally, it was the same car/weapon set as the career race I was in before entering the Live match. Apparently this bug carried over my selection restrictions - so I had to leave the room and come back from the title screen. Everything worked fine after that. I'm sure many people won't encounter it, but it definetly was an easy bug to spot.
So after about 2 hours of online matches, a few things came to mind. For starters, the machine gun is a weak weapon, therefore making it almost useless unless packed with another front weapon. Machine guns should've been on all cars by default, 3 weapons per car couldn't hurt.
Next thing I noticed was since we were mostly playing between 3-4 players, the game had almost no combat - everyone was pretty far apart in the race (except for the first 20 seconds where everyone was blowing the shit out of eachother). I'm not sure if the game should have given you bots to fill the remaining spots, or added a rubberband effect - but something is off. I think it's because the racing aspect isn't strong enough to carry this game. Trying to catch up to other cars that were 6-7 seconds ahead was nearly impossible, and this isn't the type of racing game that requires serious driving skills. The weird gravity didn't help either - this one rock level has so little room for error, if you hit a rock you literally get thrown 20 feet in the air spinning out of control. The rare occasions all 4 people were neck and neck blowing the crap out of eachother was a blast. But it definetly didn't happen enough. The time it takes your car to reappear from getting killed, crashed or stuck takes way too long.
Finally, a point which most people can agree on, is where the hell are the arena levels? I understand it's combat racing, but to hear every person I played with asking about an arena level makes me wonder why the developers didn't think of it either.
So despite those complaints, the game is still pretty fun...though I have a feeling unless you have a full room, the real fun is in single player. Hopefully the development team releases some updates or downloads for the game to add some arenas or bots, but I highly doubt it.
Just finished playing this game for about 2 hours. First, I tried a quick arcade game, and I thought - what the hell is everyone complaining about? It's a racing game with weapons, and it accomplishes exactly what it's trying to do. The more I played though, the more things I found that made me think "What were/weren't they thinking?"
To start things off, I encountered a pretty lousy bug within the first 10 minutes of playing. After I played that game of arcade mode, I went and started Career mode. I was playing a track that restricted me to using 1 car, and 1 weapon set. In the middle of the race, a friend of mine sent me an invite, so I accepted. Once in the Live game, I noticed I could only select 1 car and 1 weapon set. Coincidentally, it was the same car/weapon set as the career race I was in before entering the Live match. Apparently this bug carried over my selection restrictions - so I had to leave the room and come back from the title screen. Everything worked fine after that. I'm sure many people won't encounter it, but it definetly was an easy bug to spot.
So after about 2 hours of online matches, a few things came to mind. For starters, the machine gun is a weak weapon, therefore making it almost useless unless packed with another front weapon. Machine guns should've been on all cars by default, 3 weapons per car couldn't hurt.
Next thing I noticed was since we were mostly playing between 3-4 players, the game had almost no combat - everyone was pretty far apart in the race (except for the first 20 seconds where everyone was blowing the shit out of eachother). I'm not sure if the game should have given you bots to fill the remaining spots, or added a rubberband effect - but something is off. I think it's because the racing aspect isn't strong enough to carry this game. Trying to catch up to other cars that were 6-7 seconds ahead was nearly impossible, and this isn't the type of racing game that requires serious driving skills. The weird gravity didn't help either - this one rock level has so little room for error, if you hit a rock you literally get thrown 20 feet in the air spinning out of control. The rare occasions all 4 people were neck and neck blowing the crap out of eachother was a blast. But it definetly didn't happen enough. The time it takes your car to reappear from getting killed, crashed or stuck takes way too long.
Finally, a point which most people can agree on, is where the hell are the arena levels? I understand it's combat racing, but to hear every person I played with asking about an arena level makes me wonder why the developers didn't think of it either.
So despite those complaints, the game is still pretty fun...though I have a feeling unless you have a full room, the real fun is in single player. Hopefully the development team releases some updates or downloads for the game to add some arenas or bots, but I highly doubt it.
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Bebpo said:
I made reference to NFS:MW about the frame dropping. This game does as well, only when a ton of shit is happening at once. It doesn't last that long. I thought if I was going to be just racing, it'd do that. Now, I was bringing down an entire fuckin building in the process while shooting other vehicles. It's still unacceptable from a gamer's perspective, but I can understand why it happened.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
I'm very suspicious of this 'Liquid' person. His posts read very much like viral marketeer.
Also, I'm a third into the game and I started loving it and am now starting to dislike it more and more.
Some races require you to destroy enough stuff, as well as come first. This would be fine, except for the fact that the only expensive items in a level may be the cars you are racing, so you actually have to risk hanging back and destroying them before driving. It's a fundamentally broken system where you need to rely partly on luck.
RENT this game, but DO NOT buy it, unless you get at least a third in and are happy with it.
Also, I'm a third into the game and I started loving it and am now starting to dislike it more and more.
Some races require you to destroy enough stuff, as well as come first. This would be fine, except for the fact that the only expensive items in a level may be the cars you are racing, so you actually have to risk hanging back and destroying them before driving. It's a fundamentally broken system where you need to rely partly on luck.
RENT this game, but DO NOT buy it, unless you get at least a third in and are happy with it.
I havent had to risk hanging back because of the rubberband AI. The cars keep catching up to you and coming at you. Most of the missions dont require you to get many destruction points anyway, unless your going for the gold or silver which should be diffiuclt. As far as advancing through the game, I have yet to hit a point where I really needed them.
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Liquid said:
I play 1080i and I agree
I mostly use the machine gun to blow up other cars . To destroy enviroment nothing like missile at first and rockets and the end of the game.
Honestly a liked it a ton better than BO3 . The way of driving, the battle between cars, the destructible enviroments, the jumps , loops,crashes, air turbos,all is far better than in BO series.
I played all along in HD and there are huge framedrops when all the mess is in the screen, and am talking about a HUGE mess, and some other minor slowdowns everywhere, but after all i can´t tell if a game is running at 60 or 30 fps and am happy that way.
Must be sad to dislike a game just cause is going at a solid 30 fps instead of 60 just like some people do.
Honestly a liked it a ton better than BO3 . The way of driving, the battle between cars, the destructible enviroments, the jumps , loops,crashes, air turbos,all is far better than in BO series.
I played all along in HD and there are huge framedrops when all the mess is in the screen, and am talking about a HUGE mess, and some other minor slowdowns everywhere, but after all i can´t tell if a game is running at 60 or 30 fps and am happy that way.
Must be sad to dislike a game just cause is going at a solid 30 fps instead of 60 just like some people do.
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Blimblim said:
I've admitted that this game does feature slowdown. I don't think it's game-breaking though. You frown when it happens, but it's like a passing thing. I'm trying to give it the benefit of being a launch window title. Again though, there is slowdown, but I don't think it detracts much from the experience. My daughters like it more than their beloved Burnout 3. Granted, they are six, they love racers. Kids who tell the truth FTW. This train of thought is subject to change when the 360 version comes out as they refuse to play any of my older consoles anymore. Any of my achievements in Marble Blast Ultra were done by them.
I can see how anyone could like better Burnout than Full Auto. Are such a different approaches to the arcades racing and Full Auto offers so much more than BO.
Killing one car in Full Auto is way more regarding than in BO, destroying enviroment, jumping and using turbo, and driving. I never felt like you drive in BO. The game takes the curves for you . Full Auto isn´t a heavy driven game , but if you don´t take the curves carefully is easy you end crashing on the roof of some shop.
Killing one car in Full Auto is way more regarding than in BO, destroying enviroment, jumping and using turbo, and driving. I never felt like you drive in BO. The game takes the curves for you . Full Auto isn´t a heavy driven game , but if you don´t take the curves carefully is easy you end crashing on the roof of some shop.
BenjaminBirdie
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Yeah, to go along with my affinity for 360 games like Amped 3 and NFSMW, I'm thoroughly enjoying Full Auto. Blim, I don't think there's anything wrong with your copy, I think it's just a case of some people being more sensitive to it than others. I'm actually more surprised by what doesn't bog the game down. Glistening motorcars coming up on my left as little pieces of each car fly off (and stay off), machine guns blazing, buildings on both sides crumbling, all barreling down a road at full speed. It's pretty breathtaking at times, actually. It's frozen up on me twice (once online, once off) but my iMac's done that too and I'm not turning that into the local Pawn.
Dulled expectations? Possibly, but I've been having a blast for the past, let's say, twelve hours straight. I'd say that'll always make a purchase worth it.
Straight up, aside from very rare moments of slowdown, I'm really impressed by how tight this game is visually and (this is the coolest) how permanent everything is. Every machine gun spray, wallride, everything sticks to your car in the most sumptuous detail. And yes, I'm riding this bad boy at full HD.
Dulled expectations? Possibly, but I've been having a blast for the past, let's say, twelve hours straight. I'd say that'll always make a purchase worth it.
Straight up, aside from very rare moments of slowdown, I'm really impressed by how tight this game is visually and (this is the coolest) how permanent everything is. Every machine gun spray, wallride, everything sticks to your car in the most sumptuous detail. And yes, I'm riding this bad boy at full HD.
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Jan said:
Yeah, I know what you mean, you can ride along the invisible walls and shit like that in Burnout. I think Burnout offers a better sense of speed, but I think this is actually more fun.
Perhaps because Burnout actually has a driving model and is actually fun to play?Jan said:
Not only am I unable to understand how anyone could prefer Full Auto to Burnout Revenge, I also do not understand how anyone could like Full Auto AT ALL.
The full version doesn't even really improve much on the demo. It has the same problems! I can't believe ANYONE is defending the framerate. Not ONLY is it crap, but by defending it, you are somehow justifying this sort of behavior on the part of developers. Full Auto represents everything next gen should NOT be.
I got the game yesterday and I'm really enjoying the game. I'm playing it right now at 1080i and definetally there is some slowdown, but nothing terrible like all the reviews are saying. The game is an arcade game with the SEGA trademark. I got that Crazy Taxi feeling when I got it for the Dreamcast all over again, the amount of things you can destroy are amazing and the online mode is a blast to play.
Sorry sir , but the words drive and Burnout are a missmatch. You don´t drive a single second in Burnout , just move on rails some kind of space ship avoiding other cars.
And yes, the sense of speed in Burnout is wonderful, but that shock don´t last long enough, at least for me.
And as some say, is good not be that sensitive to the framerate of a game at all, and even more if that is the only complain that you can make about Full Auto.
And yes, the sense of speed in Burnout is wonderful, but that shock don´t last long enough, at least for me.
And as some say, is good not be that sensitive to the framerate of a game at all, and even more if that is the only complain that you can make about Full Auto.
Great Poster
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dark10x said:
Next gen games should not be fun?
There´s a lot of 60 fps solid rock games last gen and even in 32 bits gen.
The huge insanely details of the enviroment, a wonderfull IA of the rivals, and good physics are things that weren´t in last gen. And of course as almost every one that have the game says, it is fun, really fun game.
The huge insanely details of the enviroment, a wonderfull IA of the rivals, and good physics are things that weren´t in last gen. And of course as almost every one that have the game says, it is fun, really fun game.
We must have a different idea of what "fun" is. Full Auto isn't fun. It's a boring, generic, slow paced attempt at action racing. The controls are shit, the game runs poorly, and the whole design is completely uninspired.Great Poster said:
It drives like an arcade racer. The cars have weight to them and move like a physical object. Everything is obviously way over the top, but that works out beautifully in that case.
Full Auto's "vehicles", on the other hand, just sort of slide around like some cheap ass $10 bargin bin title. The "driving" model they designed is simply not rewarding in the least. There are FPS titles with secondary vehicles that drive better than anything in Full Auto, if that tells you anything. The act of driving a vehicle in Full Auto is simply not enjoyable and the tracks you race on are all poorly designed.
There just isn't anything to get excited about, as every aspect of the title is mediocre or worse. What is it that actually makes this a fun title in your book?
Burnout doesn´t drive like an arcade game. Burnout just does not drive anything. You can go straigh most of the curves and the game put you penaltyless in the road.Just turn a little and you just deal the perfect curve. Not fucking close to the driving of Full Auto.
The driving in Full Auto is way deeper and dificult than in BO, and overall is not deep and is not dificult because in BO you just not drive.
An arcade racing game is Outrun. Full Auto is a combat racing game. BO is a crash and avoid game. Forget racing.
Anyway, almost everyone here is enjoying Full Auto. Too bad for you.
The driving in Full Auto is way deeper and dificult than in BO, and overall is not deep and is not dificult because in BO you just not drive.
An arcade racing game is Outrun. Full Auto is a combat racing game. BO is a crash and avoid game. Forget racing.
Anyway, almost everyone here is enjoying Full Auto. Too bad for you.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
TheDuce22 said:
Yes, going for gold should be hard, but it should be about pushing your SKILLS not luck.
Thankfully I've gotten all Golds so far, but it's just not fun, it's frustrating.
I tried some online and enjoyed it, but because of the lack of unwreck (for obvious reasons), the over the top crashes can get annoying, as they have nothing to compensate for them.
I'm liking it more now, that I'm using better cars. My opinion is forming a bit more positive overall, though it has been painfully repetitive up to now.
I just finished all missions. Some like 35% gold 40%silver and 15% bronze.
Some missions are repetitive, but I love the ones that you must win and do x points of destruction.
About the IA I think is really good. They avoid your fire driving zig zag, using turbos and jumps, chase you and the better of all , they chase between them just like they chase you. You can go third and suddenly see the two cars ahead flying and crashing togheter while they are shooting each other. That´s great in my opinion.
Of course they game lacks of variety of tracks and weapons, but when you got the wardevil missions sure you will forget that.
Some missions are repetitive, but I love the ones that you must win and do x points of destruction.
About the IA I think is really good. They avoid your fire driving zig zag, using turbos and jumps, chase you and the better of all , they chase between them just like they chase you. You can go third and suddenly see the two cars ahead flying and crashing togheter while they are shooting each other. That´s great in my opinion.
Of course they game lacks of variety of tracks and weapons, but when you got the wardevil missions sure you will forget that.
Blimblim said:
I had an idea that could possibly explain why the game runs great according to some people and terrible according to others.
Blimblim, do you have your PC connected to your X360 for custom soundtracks and stuff? If so, try disconnecting it in the system menu and then try Full Auto again. Marble Blast was a little choppy when connected, and then suddenly you disconnect the PC and the game never drops below 60fps! RR6 is slideshow laggy online and then you disconnect the PC and the game runs smooth online. It seems there is a major glitch that causes a big performance hit if a PC is connected on some games. This could be what's happening with Full Auto.
Mr. Lemming
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I don't have my PC connected to my 360 and Full Auto still has an inconsistant frame rate. It is playable, but at the occasions where you see it running at a smooth 60 for a few seconds you wonder what could have been with a few more weeks/months of polish.
I was tired of Burnout after the second one. At least Full Auto is something different.
Having played a bit more I prefer the framerate over NFS. In online multiplayer it seems like its 60 fps most of the time. When it does slow down its hardly noticable unless there is a massive amount of crap exploding around you. The game LOOKS next gen, some of the levels are amazing. The launch games like NFS and Ridge Racer seem really dated in comparison.
This along with your other complaints about the game are way off base. What is your gamer tag?
yeah saying this game isnt fun is just nuts. totally different genre here but something like DOA4 is the very definition of unfun and not next gen. the gameplay hasnt been innovated since the first game, the players look no better than doa 3s and after all these years its still leagues behind the VF series all around. FA does a great job of providing great mindless fun. just like games of the old days. I cant believe that one of the review sites took points off because there was no story. does burn out have a story?
And for those still criticizing the controls i'm either thinking that you are still used to playing games like burnout where you really dont have to do much to drive or you're still basing opinions of of that half assed demo where there were only 2 cars. Each car handles differently and controls very well once you get the hang of it.
And for those still criticizing the controls i'm either thinking that you are still used to playing games like burnout where you really dont have to do much to drive or you're still basing opinions of of that half assed demo where there were only 2 cars. Each car handles differently and controls very well once you get the hang of it.
No matter how shitty the demo was IMO, this game is worthy of a weekend rental...maybe more if it is your type of thing. I'm having a great time online (especially with that mode where its 4 driving one way / 4 driving the opposite). Unlock some achievement points and have fun.
7/10
7/10
Liquid said:
What? FA is next-gen and DoA4 isn't?
DoA4 graphics KILLLLLLLLLLLL FA graphics. It's not even funny or worth bringing up. Oh and DoA4 gameplay-wise is the pinnacle of the series and one of the best and most fun 3d fighters behind VF4. FA is a shallow simple action racing game that scores in the average range in reviews. What? DoA4 might not be the most 'next-gen' looking game, but the graphics are pretty much better than almost any other 'next-gen' game released at the moment. The game looks better and plays much better than FA. How you can even attempt to put down DoA4 and praise FA....yeah, welcome to my ignore list.