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Fullmetal Alchemist - Brotherhood Official Discussion Thread
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mello said:
Well, I think what would hit all those chords would be a movie about the epic backstory, the "Before Elric Brothers" era, if you will.
I'd like to see what everyone was doing during the leadup to the Ishbalan War, and then the war itself, cutting to multiple characters as they experience the war at the same time.
I really don't think any of you should have any great expectations of the movie or anything. I seriously doubt it will be anything "epic" or related directly to the storyline as either a prequel or sequel. The reasons are quite obvious: If Arakawa wanted to tell more of the main story, she would just do more manga. That's the part of FMA that actually sells. The new anime is more of less a mediocre disappointment in Japan. There's no reason at all to "reward" such a tiny shrinking fanbase with such content when the demand isn't there.
The manga volumes sell over a million each, while the anime barely sells 6k a volume now. No way it's getting a big budget movie which would leave the manga fans feeling cheated.
The manga volumes sell over a million each, while the anime barely sells 6k a volume now. No way it's getting a big budget movie which would leave the manga fans feeling cheated.
firehawk12
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I think for the most part they did a better job with the finale in the anime than in the manga. There were just small changes to how the characters respond to each other, but it seemed more fitting that
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There was also a very neat callback that they just put into a shot without calling too much attention to it regarding Winry's
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(I'd embed, but slight spoiler so what can ya do?)
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I'm disappointed that they couldn't add some of the other character denouements into the story, but I suppose having the
over the credits, similar to the manga, is the best they could do with the time given.
Mustang is the one who says he wants to save Ishval before Marcoh presents him with the stone
There was also a very neat callback that they just put into a shot without calling too much attention to it regarding Winry's
earrings
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I'm disappointed that they couldn't add some of the other character denouements into the story, but I suppose having the
picture montage
I liked the first FMA anime's ending. The movie was bad, but the anime's ending itself was enjoyable stuff.
I think it's definitely worth watching if you liked Brotherhood, just to see what's different. There are some things that the first series pulls off really well.
It had a nice hint of bitterness to it.
I think it's definitely worth watching if you liked Brotherhood, just to see what's different. There are some things that the first series pulls off really well.
http://twitter.com/IRICOMIX/status/17752048050
Irie has confirmed on twitter that he will not be involved with the movie which was just announced.
Irie has confirmed on twitter that he will not be involved with the movie which was just announced.
Pai Pai Master
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duckroll said:
The opening segment of Conquerer of Shamballa was actually pretty damn fun...I hope this is the case and it doesn't turn into something stupid like the rest of the movie.
krypt0nian
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Just started reading the thread and all OP YouTube vids are removed from YouTube. =(
I just came in to say that I thought the ending was really satisfying. Basically everything has been resolved and we get an idea of how the lives of all the characters we love continue. I think you really can not do this any better.
The ending of the first anime was awful, the movie didn't really help.
The ending of the first anime was awful, the movie didn't really help.
It's really not that epic. I had the same wrong memory though, so I can't blame you if you're remembering it better than it was.Blader5489 said:
It's basically Mustang getting his ass kicked for 20 seconds, a shot of bradley surrounded by debris, then Selim comes in with bradley's skull. Bradley kills selim, and mustang kills Bradley. And Terminator Archer shows up and destroys Roy's left eye. And Riza kills Archer. The End
Fimbulvetr
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duckroll said:
I hope he changes the pronunciation of Alphonse and Selim.
I liked the ending with one exception:
Pretty decent ending without really being too sappy for the most part.
What the fuck is up with Selim. Ed should have just killed him and ended that character there.
Pretty decent ending without really being too sappy for the most part.
I love the hint that Mustang and Armstrong are going to be fighting to become fuhrer.
Kai Dracon
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I was really satisfied with the final answer to the alchemy / Truth puzzles in the series and Ed's realization. I was happy with a relaxed ending to the whole affair and appreciated the sweetness of what was done for the various characters too.
Still, I have to admit that I find it a toss-up between the ending of the original anime and this one. Mind you, I consider the FMA movie to be /part/ of the ending of the original series; it can't be separated.
Brotherhood is overall the better told and paced story, using more of the characters in better ways and including the full panoply of characters from the manga. But even so, the original anime isn't gutter trash the way many fans make it seam, and it came up with a few things that I thought were really good ideas that expanded the scope of the FMA universe dramatically.
Still, I have to admit that I find it a toss-up between the ending of the original anime and this one. Mind you, I consider the FMA movie to be /part/ of the ending of the original series; it can't be separated.
I'm a sucker for a good alternate world story and I actually loved the ending of the first anime - because the "weight" of the story remained with Amestris and our Earth ended up feeling like a strange alternate dimension... not the other way around. I found the final fate of the Elric bros' to be intriguing and mysterious, leaving the imagination to work with a lot of things. I greatly enjoyed how the first anime Wrath ended up giving Izumi such tremendous closure after her own death, plus revealed the hint that Dante was lying or deluded about the Homunculii having no souls, since it was shown Wrath's soul did exist as a whole person in the gate dimension to meet Izumi.
By contrast, I couldn't really get behind Greed being the humanized homunculous in the manga/brotherhood version; he just wasn't as empathetic a character. Father was a little too wacky super-saiyan for my tastes, and dare I say it, the final showdown was a tiny bit more stereotypical of anime and manga than most of FMA tends to be.
By contrast, I couldn't really get behind Greed being the humanized homunculous in the manga/brotherhood version; he just wasn't as empathetic a character. Father was a little too wacky super-saiyan for my tastes, and dare I say it, the final showdown was a tiny bit more stereotypical of anime and manga than most of FMA tends to be.
Brotherhood is overall the better told and paced story, using more of the characters in better ways and including the full panoply of characters from the manga. But even so, the original anime isn't gutter trash the way many fans make it seam, and it came up with a few things that I thought were really good ideas that expanded the scope of the FMA universe dramatically.
watervengeance
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Quite strange to see Alphonse all grown up, yet retain a feminine voice.
BlackGoku03
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Enjoyed the last episode. It was a lot better than the last chapter of the manga. More fleshed out an all that.
I'd love to see the fruits of the research Al and Ed have done. I hope that's what the next movie is about.
I'd love to see the fruits of the research Al and Ed have done. I hope that's what the next movie is about.
I didn't like that either but it will be interesting if the American VA does the same.watervengeance said:
Kaijima said:
I have to agree. Overall this one was much more consisted, but I liked a few parts on the first one much more
The only Homunculus Ed defeats is Sloth and Greed. While the down falls of the other ones were more self inflicted. This one on the other hand kept with a more typical approach. Scar is another one who I enjoyed quite a bit more in the original. I still love how even though he does redeem himself a bit. He still ends up carrying out the transmutation. It definitely gets sloppy at certain points, but it felt like it carried more weight. While Brotherhood didn't.
Lazy vs Crazy
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Part of the end that didn't make a lot of sense is
Ed can't use alchemy so he is going West so he can learn more about alchemy?
BlackGoku03
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Lazy vs Crazy said:
He sacrificed his ability to do alchemy (his Truth) to save Al.
He will be learning other ways of performing arts and science similar to alchemy (like what Mei used).
He will be learning other ways of performing arts and science similar to alchemy (like what Mei used).
Ok, I need to ask something about BROTHERHOOD. regarding Roy and Riza Hawkeye (Spoilers):
Noted from the Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fullmetal_Alchemist_characters#State_Military:
Noted from the Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fullmetal_Alchemist_characters#State_Military:
Riza bears the final notes to her father's work on Flame Alchemy, and his legacy as an alchemist and Mustang's teacher. After seeing what Mustang was capable of during the Ishbal War, Riza begs Roy to burn the tattoo, fearing the damage another flame alchemist could cause.
So my question is, was Mustang already capable of the alchemy that was on her back, or was it something even more powerful then what he was already capable of?
For whatever reason, I kept on thinking thru the whole story that this would have been another key to helping Team FullMetal to win against Father and the other Homunculi. But in the end it was just some side story that was just for Roy and Riza alone.
So my question is, was Mustang already capable of the alchemy that was on her back, or was it something even more powerful then what he was already capable of?
For whatever reason, I kept on thinking thru the whole story that this would have been another key to helping Team FullMetal to win against Father and the other Homunculi. But in the end it was just some side story that was just for Roy and Riza alone.
Jinaar said:
Errrrrrrrrr..... I think there's some misunderstanding here, because Brotherhood did not really adapt it as it was in the manga, instead skipping stuff around so lots of viewers misunderstood.
Riza's father was Mustang's alchemy teacher. The flame alchemy is his greatest work, and one he never taught anyone, not even Roy. Instead he had the alchemy circle tattooed on his daughter's back, to keep in her trust in the event where she felt someone deserved to learn it. She never trusted the military, but after her father died, she bonded with Mustang and shared his dreams and ideals.
When he told her that he wanted to rise to the top eventually to change the world for the better, she believed in him and showed him the completed circle. That's how Roy became the Flame Alchemist, because Hawkeye realized that with that sort of power, he could easily become a National Alchemist and gain power and rank much faster to meet his goals. She later joined the military as well to keep an eye on him, and to make sure he would follow through on his promise.
After the Ishval War, she saw the true power of the flame alchemy her father created, and made Roy agree to burn it off her back so no one would ever be able to truly replicate the devastating power it had.
When he told her that he wanted to rise to the top eventually to change the world for the better, she believed in him and showed him the completed circle. That's how Roy became the Flame Alchemist, because Hawkeye realized that with that sort of power, he could easily become a National Alchemist and gain power and rank much faster to meet his goals. She later joined the military as well to keep an eye on him, and to make sure he would follow through on his promise.
After the Ishval War, she saw the true power of the flame alchemy her father created, and made Roy agree to burn it off her back so no one would ever be able to truly replicate the devastating power it had.
Episode 21
Started off a bit stupid (all these explanations for what's going on with Al's body are not just ridiculous on their own, but really unnecessary) but the cliffhanger was FUUUUUUUUCK! Finally, Ling might do something that justifies his existence.
One thing about Brotherhood so far that's different from the original anime, and I'm not sure I like or dislike this, is that the story is really more about Mustang's political ambitions and the war against the Homunculi; it doesn't really seem to be focused on the Elrics or their journey for the Philosopher's Stone anymore. On the one hand, I'm enjoying this story and glad they aren't just retreading the original anime's plot (since when they did do that in the past, the results were pretty awful), but it just feels like it's lost focus of what the story was originally about.
Started off a bit stupid (all these explanations for what's going on with Al's body are not just ridiculous on their own, but really unnecessary) but the cliffhanger was FUUUUUUUUCK! Finally, Ling might do something that justifies his existence.
One thing about Brotherhood so far that's different from the original anime, and I'm not sure I like or dislike this, is that the story is really more about Mustang's political ambitions and the war against the Homunculi; it doesn't really seem to be focused on the Elrics or their journey for the Philosopher's Stone anymore. On the one hand, I'm enjoying this story and glad they aren't just retreading the original anime's plot (since when they did do that in the past, the results were pretty awful), but it just feels like it's lost focus of what the story was originally about.
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StoOgE said:
Same.
The first cutscene with her father though did seem really out of place though.
In most shounens, the side characters exist to advance the main character's/characters' plot. That's what they did with the first anime too ,really.Blader5489 said:
Not so in the FMA manga/brotherhood. Everyone contributes in some way, and everyone has his or her own story to tell.
Actually I'd say roy is as much a main character as Ed and Al are, and probably moreso than Al.
I have to agree.. I never really felt that Al and Ed were significantly more important than the rest. Ed a bit more than most characters.. but I would put Al behind 4-5 characters in terms of importance. Really, he felt like more an extension of Ed and a visualization of his past mistakes.
The first series and the start of this one were very much about the two brothers.. but as it progressed background characters stepped forward into really central roles.. felt like a real ensemble cast.
The first series and the start of this one were very much about the two brothers.. but as it progressed background characters stepped forward into really central roles.. felt like a real ensemble cast.
Since I just finished watching Brotherhood, I might as well give my take on it.
Where it shined:
- Strong story
- More variety in characters than the original anime
- Scale of conflict (not that bigger always means better)
- Good villain and ending
- Hohenheim
Where it sucked:
- Character development was terrible
- Pacing was terrible. Crunched toward the beginning, dragged out at the end.
- Ed and Al weren't much more important than anybody else
- Minor characters introduced later on were annoying and one-dimensional
Personally, I prefer the original (excluding the movie, which was godawful). I can see why people wouldn't, but each his own.
Where it shined:
- Strong story
- More variety in characters than the original anime
- Scale of conflict (not that bigger always means better)
- Good villain and ending
- Hohenheim
Where it sucked:
- Character development was terrible
- Pacing was terrible. Crunched toward the beginning, dragged out at the end.
- Ed and Al weren't much more important than anybody else
- Minor characters introduced later on were annoying and one-dimensional
Personally, I prefer the original (excluding the movie, which was godawful). I can see why people wouldn't, but each his own.
Arthrus said:
Bolded parts are just bad directing for the anime. The manga does an excellent job of developing characters and is consistently paced. The last ~19 eps of brotherhood (everything after the episode which ended with a credits montage of what everyone was doing during the timeskip to prepare for The Promised Day) covered one chapter per episode more or less. The first 45 covered the first ~90 chapters, and the first 12 episodes covered the first 30 chapters. The most important arcs for character development and backstories, pretty much every single one of them was crunched or cut.
Ed and Al being just two players in a story larger than any one individual is a + in my opinion.
And I'm not sure what you mean by the last negative, or who you're referring to.
I can't believe I had to experience the end of FMA a second time. It hurts more this time, because the animation was so awesome, and does the action scenes from the manga justice.
Nearly bawled my eyes out at the end of episode 63, I'm just a sucker for when they show scenes of what a character has done for the entire series, last episode had a feel good feeling to it and everything came to a nice conclusion, now to come terms that FMA has finished for a second time. :'(
Nearly bawled my eyes out at the end of episode 63, I'm just a sucker for when they show scenes of what a character has done for the entire series, last episode had a feel good feeling to it and everything came to a nice conclusion, now to come terms that FMA has finished for a second time. :'(
Eh, saw the ending and I really enjoyed it, I appreciated how it closed off the series and it was nice to get the 'happy ending' after what the characters had been through. I felt it closed it off very nicely, though I thought Ed was going to propose to Winry, not spill his guts terribly on how he wanted to be with her. Though it was funny when she reciprocated. :lol
Also Roy with a moustache. :lol
Also it was infinitely better than the first where Wrath was a stupid kid homonculus that Izumi made and Ed went to Nazi Germany.
Also Roy with a moustache. :lol
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