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Fullmetal Alchemist - Brotherhood Official Discussion Thread

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Jesus. :lol

I guess people like mindfuck endings but man... I'll probably never watch the original series, but there's no way that's more satisfying than the "real" ending that we got.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Dechaios said:
Yeah, I think I like this ending a lot.

Edward becomes the least conceited human with the most power, and he realizes that he can give up his incredible powers and be "humbled" in order to save the life of his younger brother.

What I want to know is how long Al's body+soul would have stayed in that limbo state between the gate and the world.... It made sense for just the body to stay there, but why would his whole self remain? Because god allowed it to see if Ed could really retrieve it?
Remember that when Ed and Al transmuted their mother, the things that were lost were:
#1: Ed's leg
#2: Al.

Ed sacrificed his arm to retrieve Al's soul, which he attached to the suit of armor.

When Al sacrificed his soul and gave Ed his arm back, he was reversing the transmutation that Ed performed. Ed sacrificed his arm to retrieve Al's soul from the gate (but the body remained there). Al sacrificed his soul to give Ed his arm back, thus returning to his body at the gate in the process.

Basically, when Al gave ed his arm back, it put them back where they were after they transmuted their mother but before Ed retrieved al's soul.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
firehawk12 said:
Jesus. :lol

I guess people like mindfuck endings but man... I'll probably never watch the original series, but there's no way that's more satisfying than the "real" ending that we got.
Even worse, the first anime didn't have Ling!
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
GaimeGuy said:
Remember that when Ed and Al transmuted their mother, the things that were lost were:
#1: Ed's leg
#2: Al.

Ed sacrificed his arm to retrieve Al's soul, which he attached to the suit of armor.

When Al sacrificed his soul and gave Ed his arm back, he was reversing the transmutation that Ed performed. Ed sacrificed his arm to retrieve Al's soul from the gate (but the body remained there). Al sacrificed his soul to give Ed his arm back, thus returning to his body at the gate in the process.

Basically, when Al gave ed his arm back, it put them back where they were after they transmuted their mother but before Ed retrieved al's soul.

I guess one thing would be why
Al's body is able to communicate with his soul, but I guess it wouldn't be all that dramatic if his soul just confronted an unconscious hunk of meat
.
 

LowParry

Member
It was good for an ending. Had some meaning behind it but it was much better than the original ending. At least it got a movie out of it. Ah well. Off to continue Soul Eater, then start up Gankutsuou later.
 

Cloudy

Banned
Wow, they could have ended on ep 63 but I'm glad there's gonna be one more ep to tie up all the loose ends. Really enjoyed the "real" story and I wish it had the same production values as the original series..
 

Cloudy

Banned
Just finished up with the manga. That was a GREAT ending. Much better than the depressing first series finale :D

ps: What else has the writer of this series done?
 

CassSept

Member
EviLore said:
(ep 63)
Truth: "CORRECT ANSWER, YOU WIN, HERE'S YOUR HAPPY ENDING"

Despite everything that led up to this...despite all my previous complaints...

I'm still taken aback by how terrible and pathetic the above ending is.

0/10, up from -1/10 thanks to Hohenheim.
What do you think of original series ending then?
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
I am surprisingly satisfied with this ending, especially given how I thought the show had lost me completely about 5 episodes ago.

I guess there wasn't a better way to do it, but with the central story arc finished the last episode is going to be little more than an epilouge.

Also,
Shouldn't mustang transmute himself, give up his alchemy and get his vision back?
 

Zoe

Member
StoOgE said:
Also,
Shouldn't mustang transmute himself, give up his alchemy and get his vision back?

He's probably not willing/ready to make that sacrifice.
 

B.K.

Member
StoOgE said:
Also,
Shouldn't mustang transmute himself, give up his alchemy and get his vision back?

He'll bring up that possibility in the next episode. He decides that he can't do that because if he destroys his Gate, he'll have no way back to the real world.
 

ThatObviousUser

ὁ αἴσχιστος παῖς εἶ
MetatronM said:
equivalent exchange (which, for that matter, it also threw out in the ending altogether, even downright saying the philosophy was false).

Actually if you pay attention the ending proved equivalent exchange, just in a roundabout way. Dante said it's false because you have to take into account the energy required to re-arrange things, but that's later proven to be the souls of the people killed in our world. So it ends up being right anyways.
 

Steroyd

Member
StoOgE said:
Also,
Shouldn't mustang transmute himself, give up his alchemy and get his vision back?

He doesn't have a backdoor like Ed had through Al, he'd just be stuck in Truth world forever if he gave up his gate.
 

Blader

Member
firehawk12 said:
Jesus. :lol

I guess people like mindfuck endings but man... I'll probably never watch the original series, but there's no way that's more satisfying than the "real" ending that we got.

As someone who has only watched the original series and seen the first 20 eps of Brotherhood (i.e. I have no knowledge of how the manga/Brotherhood story is supposed to go or end), I liked the first series' ending.

It got a bit repetitive with all the
Ed and Al dying and sacrificing each other to save each other business
, but there was a really nice bittersweetness to the ending with
the two separated from each other.

I also remember an epic
Mustang/Bradley
showdown. I can't really remember any details from the fight :lol but I do remember it being epic!
 
Blader5489 said:
Probably so Funi can finish dubbing the episodes? =P

I thought about that but does that really warrant a hiatus for an undetermined amount of time? Can't really say I know much about how it works but I'm pretty sure there was always a schedule with the original series even if they took breaks here and there.
 

B.K.

Member
cosmicblizzard said:
I thought about that but does that really warrant a hiatus for an undetermined amount of time?

Yes. That's how they always do new anime that are still being dubbed. They always show so many episodes and then have a hiatus until the rest of the episodes are dubbed. They did it during the first series too. They aired the first 26 episodes, then had a hiatus, and aired the rest of the series when Funimation had enough dubbed. It's nothing new.
 
B.K. said:
Yes. That's how they always do new anime that are still being dubbed. They always show so many episodes and then have a hiatus until the rest of the episodes are dubbed. They did it during the first series too. They aired the first 26 episodes, then had a hiatus, and aired the rest of the series when Funimation had enough dubbed. It's nothing new.

Well there goes my memory. Carry on.
 

CassSept

Member
Blader5489 said:
I also remember an epic
Mustang/Bradley
showdown. I can't really remember any details from the fight :lol but I do remember it being epic!
You think that showdown was epic?
:lol :lol :lol
Both characters get a much better treatment towards the end of series this time.
 

Blader

Member
CassSept said:
You think that showdown was epic?
:lol :lol :lol
Both characters get a much better treatment towards the end of series this time.

I'll have to see. 20 eps into Brotherhood right now and so far nothing has really gotten any better treatment than in the original series.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I can't believe anyone would be unhappy with this ending because it is a philosophical ending that unlike 99% of "philosophical" anime MAKES SENSE.

FMA has from the beginning been about arrogance and ego, arising out of different motivations: desperation, the thirst for knowledge, the need for control, the desire for power, the hunger to be important or significant.

In the FMA universe the alchemists are the living symbols of all this because they have the power to literally reshape the world and the whole point about philosopher's stones being made of human souls seems a metaphor for the ultimate cost of going all the way. Human beings are turned into material, and are secondary in importance to the drive for power. It's not the world's most arcane philosophical statement but poignant in the way FMA presents it.

Ed giving up his gate is symbolic of a person giving up all their perception of control over the world. Ed's answer about his friends and family shows he finally understands that human beings are the most important thing in the entire world, and negate the need for anything else. This realization was alluded to earlier when Ed accused Father of creating Homunculous so he woudn't be alone. Greed also hinted at it when he found that other people erased his need to have material things. Lots of other things in the series led up to Ed figuring out what was going on with the entity in the gate.

Also, there's no way the original anime ending is better than Al restoring Ed's body and Ed kicking the holy living shit out of Father.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Blader5489 said:
I'll have to see. 20 eps into Brotherhood right now and so far nothing has really gotten any better treatment than in the original series.

Shit ain't got real yet. The manga plotline goes places and involves more characters than the original anime could hope to touch. There's still 44 episodes to go.
 

faridmon

Member
I don't want to read the whole thred, because i don't want to get spoiled and its too long:

But now that the whole story is wrapped up, was the ending good and worth it?

does anyone know the next project the authur will do?

Thanks.
 

X-Frame

Member
I'm very excited for the finale episode. I really want to see how things get finished.

Also, I'm contemplating whether or not I want to go back and watch the original FMA series after this one is done - at the risk of somehow affecting how much I enjoyed Brotherhood.

What do you all think?
 
X-Frame said:
I'm very excited for the finale episode. I really want to see how things get finished.

Also, I'm contemplating whether or not I want to go back and watch the original FMA series after this one is done - at the risk of somehow affecting how much I enjoyed Brotherhood.

What do you all think?
As much as i loved the first series, Brotherhood has taken firmly over as the version to watch as far as im concerned.

Once its finished the wife wants to go through it again which should be a fun ride as its always bad watching it 1 episode a week because as soon as its getting great the episode ends and we are left begging for the next one :D
 

CassSept

Member
Apparently at the very end of the final episode they've announced a movie version:lol

Probably in NGE "Death" style, though I wonder how they want to condense the whole story into a single movie
 

ILikeFeet

Banned
Ep 21

I liked this episode. A good amount of drama and comedy. Great balance. Seeing Havoc paralyzed was sad. But hearing Mustang say he should get a different room with a hot nurse (all with a serious face :lol ) and Ed showboating was really funny. The ending was a hell of a cliffhanger. Pride Wrath is hella fast, and I get the feeling Lan Fan and Ling will get an ass whoopin
good
 

B.K.

Member
GaimeGuy said:
god i hope so

It would be nice, but I'm expecting an original story. Something stupid like
Ed trying to get his Gate back so he can start using alchemy again.
 

duckroll

Member
Honestly, there are probably only two real possibilities:

a) compilation movie(s) ala Gurren Lagann/Macross Frontier with much more elaborate new action animation sequences.

b) a completely original side story that takes place during the series, supervised/written by Arakawa ala Cowboy Bebop/One Piece Strong World.
 
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