Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
They're still pony-related.
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can be my furry coach.. i want to be a furry but i don't know where to start.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Play wonderboy III and see which animal you identify with most.
shysaursoft
Member
That's not even the best kemono imo... Heh. My interpretation does differ to Ookami's, though.
(artist)
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Dunkleosteus style!
PetriP-TNT
Member
Serious question: Do furries have a single thing that every furry worships or something. Like is Sonic or Tails or something "THE" thing among the furry-scene?
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
You wouldn't catch me within a 1000 miles of that Sonic nonsense.
Edit: and for clarification - the whole sonic "thing" is usually on it's own.
Acerac
Banned
Canids seem pretty popular I guess? That's not very specific though.
I think most furries treat Sonic fans the way the rest of the net treats furries.
And felines. I almost feel like felines are more prominent, and the whole catgirl thing tends to make them a bit "softer" and easier to accept from the outside.
human form of wolf god = anthropomorphic
its just a less ugly form than you would be ok with
an example of an artist that can do detailed pictures but still keep them believable:
third one is a little bit more out there
her character by someone else that has a similar style
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
One of the common mistakes is that people associate anything remotely anthropomorphic to furry (e.g. Sonic and My Little Pony). They're their own fandom which even furries feel reviled.
mistake?
ponies have become huge in the art scene
i dont think its up to you to decide if its part of the fandom or not
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Being huge doesn't make one part of the furry fandom. o_o
Sure there can be overlap, but that's more because of one being a fan both rather than associating them in the same fandom.
I dont think you are eligible to make that call considering you only like Japanese style "kemono" and only the buff versions
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Teehee
shysaursoft
Member
Not that I've seen. There are peaks, as was mentioned earlier, around wolves, also dragons and foxes . Though it would vary based on geographical location or just plain random preference.
Everyone tends to approach the fandom for their own reasons. I've seen the arguments made that "furries watched too much Disney/Dinosaucers/Biker Mice From Mars/Roger Rabbit/Whatever X Hyper", but people like to argue about a lot of things. I don't think there's any one major reason people approach or incorporate into/with the furry fandom, other than the tenuous encapsulation of anthropomorphic animals. Which must make people who like the Arbiter from Halo a little too much, feel weird, because where then do they go if they want more alien porn?
the alien aspect is more appealing than animal imo
animal = too close to home and is more illogical
shysaursoft
Member
I don't think one can haphazardly say which is more logical or illogical, since argument could take it either way - and in the end it's a personal thing anyway. I've seen people treat their dogs better than their family, which may seem illogical from an external perspective, but it has logical consistency for the person in question.
And in side-thought, aren't animals as alien to us as aliens would be? Or has familiarity just give us an excuse to easily disregard them as anything other than 'animals/pets/fluffycutethingsonYoutube'. Does our "dominion" over animals change their status in the human social gestalt, to the point where we actually carry a weird kind of guilt about what we're doing to other creatures?
Thinking about it, looking into the eyes of an alligator is every bit as alien as I would imagine looking into the eyes of a space-faring alien would be.
As I said before, the furry fandom (or should I rather say, applied anthropomorphics), is an idiosyncratic event that's entirely personal. I guess comparable to taste in music (why X over Y, instead of Z?), or more interestingly, one's taste in art. Art remains difficult to quantify, and thus people's personal attraction to certain types of art are even more ambiguous to define.
For instance, for me anthro art is why I'm peripherally interested in the fandom. I've always preferred to draw animals over people (examples: http://www.dropmocks.com/moqMv) though my style is far more simplistic and cartoony compared to much of the fandom's art output. I've just always had a soft spot for simple black and white line drawings, m'self. Then there's the obvious tricks of using animals as ciphers in art, representative of personalities and traits (kemono does this), for the sake of making the character part of a greater context. Or just to easily get out of mary-sue setups, who knows.
Bearing in mind I'm not talking about anything sexualized here - I've long since gotten over the fact that human beings are capable of sexualizing anything. Cars, are designed to trigger the same kind of attraction we have for other humans. Plenty of books are written daily about the psychology behind designing things to trick our lizard hindbrains into thinking "damn, that thing looks attractive" and thus we purchase.
When it comes to the sexualization of animals through anthro art, I'm assuming the attraction factor is also entirely individual-dependant. Perhaps someone gets turned on by six mammary glands, or perhaps it's the caricature-traits (domination factors, submission factors, etc). Then again, some people draw rabbits with huge tits, the tits bigger than the rabbit - which makes me think the rabbit part is entirely incidental, in that case.
There is much conjecture on the topic of why, less on the why not, and plenty of "lulz" inbetween. Personally I think the matter of sexualization in furry art, is really just a symptom of the much larger question of why we, as a species, are so prone to sexualizing things period, biological impulses to procreate aside.
Im talking in terms of multiple races of intelligent life
which is why im ok with cat-like creatures, not bipedal cats that are supposed to be able to somehow talk with a facial structure that has no cheeks/lips
The problem is that its near impossible to create something relatable and still look foreign
which is why mass effect (and moreso, startrek) is a tad disappointing because they all look like people (apart from the squid things)
if we are talking about cartoons or cartoony games, then anything flies
shysaursoft
Member
What were your thoughts on the prawns from District 9?
Anyway, as a cartoonist, I don't really care overly about the real-world physical viability of a creation, just that it's recognizable for what it is. I guess that's the thing about working in symbolism, versus realism/hyper-realism. I see where you're coming from thought.
Besides, all good fiction can explain how walking talking English-speaking animals can get away with having Australian accents even though their facial structure couldn't form a vowel. It's Magic!/Nanomachines!/Element Zero!/Telepathy!/A small fish in your ear!/
Sometimes you just gotta go with it, for the sake of the story. Besides, all it would take is one talented artist to work it out somehow, have that bipedal cat talk with a workable explanation behind it, and that solves your problem doesn't it? It's a problem of satisfying your inner censor, not an inherent problem with anthro art in itself.
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Totally super-duper awesome. My favourite thing about the film, tbh.
What were your thoughts on the prawns from District 9?
Anyway, as a cartoonist, I don't really care overly about the real-world physical viability of a creation, just that recognizable for what it is. I guess that's the thing about working in symbolism, versus realism/hyper-realism. I see where you're coming from thought.
Besides, all good fiction can explain how walking talking English-speaking animals can get away with having Australian accents even though their facial structure couldn't form a vowel. It's Magic!/Nanomachines!/Element Zero!/Telepathy!/A small fish in your ear!/
Sometimes you just gotta go with it, for the sake of the story.
the prawns are amusing and they did a good job of making them believable
or maybe the South African accent just seems sufficiently alien to me
shysaursoft
Member
Even though I was never overly fond of Afrikaans as a language, I'll always have a soft spot for the swearwords. There's something elegant about them, and how they tend to use single or double vowels.
im pretty sure that movie broke some kind of record for the use of the F word
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
Something something bliksem something.
Love the accent - I can do a pretty good one, if say so myself. Had a teacher in school who was from Joburg.
As long as there is Tarantino, that will be a tough challenge.
Personally I don't really care for significant realism. I rather see furry as a cartoony kind of world, and that allows for a fair amount of suspending belief. As long as it's somewhat internally consistent, that's all I ask.
shysaursoft
Member
Incidentially, the prawn fanart on DA is rather good:
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.com/art/District-9-Test-144349763?q=boost:popular district 9&qo=11
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.co...pular ((prawn) AND (by:gantzcraziness))&qo=16
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.co...opular ((prawn) AND (by:gantzcraziness))&qo=7
http://mrwittmann.deviantart.com/ar...ot-135048972?q=boost:popular district 9&qo=15
http://gutter-child.deviantart.com/art/Prawn-Realism-151666675?q=boost:popular prawn&qo=21
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.com/art/Meatshop-Prawn-156416764?q=boost:popular prawn&qo=44
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.com/art/District-9-Test-144349763?q=boost:popular district 9&qo=11
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.co...pular ((prawn) AND (by:gantzcraziness))&qo=16
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.co...opular ((prawn) AND (by:gantzcraziness))&qo=7
http://mrwittmann.deviantart.com/ar...ot-135048972?q=boost:popular district 9&qo=15
http://gutter-child.deviantart.com/art/Prawn-Realism-151666675?q=boost:popular prawn&qo=21
http://gantzcraziness.deviantart.com/art/Meatshop-Prawn-156416764?q=boost:popular prawn&qo=44
sequential art is my favourite webcomic and comic of all time, so I agree for the most part
its just that when it comes to designing detailed characters, its so common/easy for people to do the weird animal face style
and i find that the best artists can also draw human people really well (after all, anthropomorphism implies human elements)
Prax
Member
CHEEZMO™;33411722 said:I love iPoke's stuff
This is the type of style I find agreeable to my tastes.
Looks enough like the animal, not overly fluffy, ear placement acceptable, anatomy is appropriately humanoid with paws.
I lot of the stuff Uchip likes on the other hand...
NON!
If they just look like recoloured humans to me, they fail as anthro art. >___>
I agree that they can be cute if done right (Horo's cute--but kind of awfully moe in style... but I digress), but there is so much fail or superficial "animalness" in the designs that it irks me. A human girl with cat ears in a "kitty" pose, like licking paws or nuzzling stuff, just looks.. NO.
anthropomorphism doesn't have to be purely aesthetic
and its closer to Japanese folklore than Playboy mansion bunnies
your disdain for anything even resembling human features seems to stem from misanthropy more than artistic merit
also seems kind of hypocritical considering your avatar
CHEEZMO
Obsidian fan
I lot of the stuff Uchip likes on the other hand...
NON!
Oh my lols.
Prax
Member
I know. That's just my taste. xD I have elitist tastes sometimes.
Japanese folklore like this?
They look pretty animal-y to me!
I know you probably mean kitsune ladies that can turn into women and have one or two things that hint at them not being human (ears or tail or something), but I personally uncept that!
Haha, I know my avatar makes it seem hypocritcal. I was waiting for someone to point it out. It's ironic!
Plus, it's not meant to be a girl as a furry. She's just a super hero with a knight-visor and metal cat ears headband! XD
If she were in anthro form, the metal cat ears would be so stupidly redundant. <__<
You can see her as an anthro in these doodles lolol:
Oh Uchip