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[msv]

that movie "the island" had a good idea in making clones for body parts and organs, lol wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

A very uninsightful idea. If we were able to produce cloned adult bodies in very short periods of time, we'd be able to clone individual body parts and organs. There's no need to be extremely wasteful and create an entire body which you'd have to take care of.

 

[sullytao]

A very uninsightful idea. If we were able to produce cloned adult bodies in very short periods of time, we'd be able to clone individual body parts and organs. There's no need to be extremely wasteful and create an entire body which you'd have to take care of.

Also it would be pointless creating whole bodies for harvest when we will be able to simply print out a new organ in the future.

 

[Casp0r]

You're right about robots doing most of our space exploration for us in the future. However, we will be colonizing other planets/moons. Within 200 years Mars will be well underway being terraformed. After that Venus will follow. It's a simple "or not so simple" concept of removing the CO2 from its atmosphere then replacing it with Oxygen. This could be done with huge swarms of nanobots for example absorbing the toxic gases and releasing the good ones.

... you actually think humans could terraform a planet in the next 200 years?

You realised how long and how much energy that would take?

Then of course Mars is going to be perpetually frozen, humans and plants will have to be contained and heated.

Then humans growing on that planet will grow deformed and weak due to the micro-gravity.

Then you have the weak as shit magnetosphere that'll result in all the humans getting cancer and killed off.

... it's just not going to happen. No one in their right mind would waste money on such a useless expenditure ... far better to spend it cleaning up and maintaining Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube

And that will just get better and better.

Yeah you're not listening to me. Theoretical properties are all well and good ... however thats atomic level of precision and perfection in the crystal structure ... something that is extremely hard to do on a nanoscale ... let alone a fucking macroscale like a 100 000 mile long cable.

A single dislocation in the carbon nano tube could destroy the whole cable ... it's just not going to happen. It's too hard and just straight up impossible to make such a perfect chain.

 

[Wray]

... you actually think humans could terraform a planet in the next 200 years?

You realised how long and how much energy that would take?

Then of course Mars is going to be perpetually frozen, humans and plants will have to be contained and heated.

Then humans growing on that planet will grow deformed and weak due to the micro-gravity.

Then you have the weak as shit magnetosphere that'll result in all the humans getting cancer and killed off.

... it's just not going to happen. No one in their right mind would waste money on such a useless expenditure ... far better to spend it cleaning up and maintaining Earth.

No read what I said and learn to listen. I said it will be "underway". I realize it's going to take a looooong time to finish.

Also, you're making a big assumption that people a 100-150 years from now will view "money" the same way it's viewed today. We're talking about a future society in which human labor will be virtually non existent thanks to robotics.

Yeah you're not listening to me. Theoretical properties are all well and good ... however thats atomic level of precision and perfection in the crystal structure ... something that is extremely hard to do on a nanoscale ... let alone a fucking macroscale like a 100 000 mile long cable.

A single dislocation in the carbon nano tube could destroy the whole cable ... it's just not going to happen. It's too hard and just straight up impossible to make such a perfect chain.

You're basing your opinion on today. 20-30 years from now materials will be even stronger and more durable.

In the event it's damaged? No problem. Every millimeter of said cable would be monitored constantly and repaired/maintained by AI. You're trying to solve future world problems with modern world technologies/ideology. Pretty sure they wouldn't send a Space Elevator Repair Dude up the elevator with a hard hat and a wrench to fix it up.

 

[Master Milk]

Also, you're making a big assumption that people a 100-150 years from now will view "money" the same way it's viewed today. We're talking about a future society in which human labor will be virtually non existent thanks to robotics.

People have selfish wants. That will never change. Money lets people attain those wants without others bitching at them. Money isn't going anywhere. Robots or not.

 

[Wray]

People have selfish wants. That will never change. Money lets people attain those wants without others bitching at them. Money isn't going anywhere. Robots or not.

How are people going to earn money if there is no demand for human labor?

 

[Burger]

... you actually think humans could terraform a planet in the next 200 years?

*list of reasons why it's impossible

Of course it's possible.

Remember, sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

 

[Master Milk]

How are people going to earn money if there is no demand for human labor?

. . . I don't know. I don't live 200 years into the future.

But, are you really saying that the only way people make money now is through labor? Or is your definition of labor so broad it includes services that people would never leave up to robots, government and artistic jobs?

 

[Wray]

. . . I don't know. I don't live 200 years into the future.

But, are you really saying that the only way people make money now is through labor? Or is your definition of labor so broad it includes services that people would never leave up to robots, government and artistic jobs?

Broad enough to encompass 95% of all future jobs/services. I think a better question to ask would be, which type of job would NOT eventually become automated and no longer require human assistance.

 

[msv]

Also it would be pointless creating whole bodies for harvest when we will be able to simply print out a new organ in the future.

Yeah I just said that man, I said it.

How are people going to earn money if there is no demand for human labor?

Why would you need money in that case?

 

[Wray]

Yeah I just said that man, I said it.


Why would you need money in that case?

That's kinda of my point.

 

[Casp0r]

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Ok so we need to clarify what this thread is about

a thread focused on the sort of things we can look forward to in the near future would be nice

It's all very well saying that in 300 years robots will do everything for us. Trying to look that far into the future however is useless, we don't know what we'll discover and what direction humanity will head in ... and thus it's even talking about where we think it could go is incredibly pointless.

We'd all just be talking about living our lives in glass jars connected to a alternative reality as we travel space on lasers while eating our food all in a pill watching computer crystals firing lasers into our brains while blah blah blah.

Let's try and keep this thread to viable technology that is on the horizon that we could all possibly utilize. Not fantasy bullshit that anyone could make up.

 

[msv]

That's kinda of my point.

Woops, skipped too much there. I agree with you, if our tech advances enough, we will have to completely change the economy. And it won't be far off indeed. Unless we all kill each other, or have some kind of apocalypse happen. Or maybe zombies, alien invasion, rouge star, black hole, asteroid. I give it, hmm, 75-100 years, if the world remains somewhat stable that is.

 

[Jonm1010]

Not enough mention of graphene ITT.

It could be this centuries plastic.

From transistors, to bacteria killing, to DNA sequencing, to Solar Energy, to faster computers, to fuel efficient vehicles. Graphene has just a ton of initial uses being tested.

 

[Master Milk]

Broad enough to encompass 95% of all future jobs/services. I think a better question to ask would be, which type of job would NOT eventually become automated and no longer require human assistance.

Probably the same type of jobs now that aren't automated in any way, shape, or form. Things like movie directors, video game programmers, and professional musicians will never be automated.

Regardless, that has little to do with the fact that people, or rather societies, need money. If private property is going to exist, then money is going to exist.

 

[Wray]

Let's try and keep this thread to viable technology that is on the horizon that we could all possibly utilize. Not fantasy bullshit that anyone could make up.

I'm not talking about fantasy bullshit. I've talked about nanotechnolgy, robotics, and terraforming. The first two of which are going to dramatically change our civilization within our lifetimes. We're talking decades, not centuries. That's my definition of near future. Unless we're talking about the next 5-10 years only.

 

[Wray]

Probably the same type of jobs now that aren't automated in any way, shape, or form. Things like movie directors, video game programmers, and professional musicians will never be automated.

I'll agree that artistic and creative oriented professions will likely be the last to go. But I'm sure that robots/AI will even be able to do those jobs as well or better than a human being can.

Remember, by 2050 we'll probably have computers the size of a blood cell that are a billion times more powerful than all the creative human minds that ever lived put together.

No doubt that humans will still produce "art" though. If anything, art will much more prominent since humanity will more free time than ever before to produce it. However, I think the concept of "working artists" will be eventually fade away. It wont be needed.

I also think future technology will do alot of the creative grunt work for us. For example, I bet you can tell your computer/robot of the future that you want to write a song with these types of notes, ideas, lyrics, etc. Then 5 minutes later you have 1000 written songs to choose from that your robot musician thing just produced for you.

That said, some humans will still write their own music, cause its fun.

 

[Kinitari]

Not enough mention of graphene ITT.

It could be this centuries plastic.

From transistors, to bacteria killing, to DNA sequencing, to Solar Energy, to faster computers, to fuel efficient vehicles. Graphene has just a ton of initial uses being tested.

Make a post styled like the ones in the OP, and I'll dump it in

 

[MRORANGE]

love this thread, but the real question is when will I see one of these?

 

[CF_Fighter]

Teleportation is going to happen thanks to Quantum Entanglement. Not sure if that will mean living organisms will be able to live through it though. But it's going to happen to objects for sure.

Dan Simmons tackles this in his novel Olympus. Anyone who is interested in reading it I'm gonna put this in spoilers

Spoiler

Teleportation is basically the body destroyed on a quantum level on the "send side" and then that data is sent and rebuilt on the "receive" side. The memories of that person are continually saved and updated in what is basically an independent HDD on a massive ring that circles the Earth. The memories are sent to the "receive" end and combined with the quantum data of that persons biological make-up and they are essentially teleported. All this happens within a minute.

 

[LogicStep]

Awesome thread, thanks!

 

[XMonkey]

I'll agree that artistic and creative oriented professions will likely be the last to go. But I'm sure that robots/AI will even be able to do those jobs as well or better than a human being can.

You've got quite the rosy view of the future I must say, especially this bit in particular. You really think people are going to appreciate art made strictly by a computer? That entirely computer generated art is going to be what fills the halls of the worlds most famous galleries and museums? That's a preposterous notion in my view. For the sake of our society and culture, I hope it doesn't happen.

 

[sans_pants]

You've got quite the rosy view of the future I must say, especially this bit in particular. You really think people are going to appreciate art made strictly by a computer? That entirely computer generated art is going to be what fills the halls of the worlds most famous galleries and museums? That's a preposterous notion in my view. For the sake of our society and culture, I hope it doesn't happen.

eventually we wont be able to distinguish between computers and "real" people

 

[TacticalFox88]

I'll agree that artistic and creative oriented professions will likely be the last to go. But I'm sure that robots/AI will even be able to do those jobs as well or better than a human being can.

Remember, by 2050 we'll probably have computers the size of a blood cell that are a billion times more powerful than all the creative human minds that ever lived put together.

No doubt that humans will still produce "art" though. If anything, art will much more prominent since humanity will more free time than ever before to produce it. However, I think the concept of "working artists" will be eventually fade away. It wont be needed.

I also think future technology will do alot of the creative grunt work for us. For example, I bet you can tell your computer/robot of the future that you want to write a song with these types of notes, ideas, lyrics, etc. Then 5 minutes later you have 1000 written songs to choose from that your robot musician thing just produced for you.

That said, some humans will still write their own music, cause its fun.

Someone takes Moore's Law a bit TOOO far.

 

[Pollux]

All of this stuff is very exciting, and I'm very interested to see what the world is like 30 years from now when I'm in my late 50s. I'm hoping for a Star Trek future over a Terminator/Matrix future.

Gonna be more Blade Runner with the way we're going

 

[Pollux]

Ok so we need to clarify what this thread is about



It's all very well saying that in 300 years robots will do everything for us. Trying to look that far into the future however is useless, we don't know what we'll discover and what direction humanity will head in ... and thus it's even talking about where we think it could go is incredibly pointless.

We'd all just be talking about living our lives in glass jars connected to a alternative reality as we travel space on lasers while eating our food all in a pill watching computer crystals firing lasers into our brains while blah blah blah.

Let's try and keep this thread to viable technology that is on the horizon that we could all possibly utilize. Not fantasy bullshit that anyone could make up.

Dude stop being a condescending douche and roll with the thread.

 

[Warm Machine]

A beautifully white washed visualization of the future.

Clean, beautiful consumerism, where externalities are not an issue.

As an interior designer for high end houses; that's the kind of stuff we don't do for clients who spend 4-10 million USD on their houses, even if the technology is available (some of it is - the dimming glass panels for example).

Plus I've harped on it before... but why would you have a bunch of surface display computers when you can have just a single wearable display? It can do all the stuff shown, and still be more versatile, practical, economical, and provide better economies of scale for software developers, for which most of this functionality is actually reliant.

In 20 years time, we'll look back on this vision of the future and smirk and the redundancies shown.

I think you are taking the stuff in that video far too literally. Like I implied a post down everything being a display is silly. The dimming windows or window technology that allows in heat during the winter but not in the summer due to the angle of the sun is more important to me.

People don't need to be surrounded and inundated with display tech. The real meat in the post is less in the video posted but in the reality of homes that could generate their own power and be self sustainable without having to rely on a major external power generator. It would actually beautify a location by the removal of power cables criscrossing above city streets and down alleyways. Also would make for a more secure future.

How is the video white washed btw? For a tech showcase why would they point cameras at issues beyond what is being sold? You could say the same for a car commercial.

 

[ItAintEasyBeinCheesy]

I heard a dude talking about computers power by atoms or some shit that where infinitly fast and powerful. Anyone know what this stuff is called?

 

[Sabotage]

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Give me a small electric SMART car that drives itself and I'll take it to work every morning

 

[ToxicAdam]

 

[Sqrt_minus_one]

I heard a dude talking about computers power by atoms or some shit that where infinitly fast and powerful. Anyone know what this stuff is called?

Quantum computing.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

You've got quite the rosy view of the future I must say, especially this bit in particular. You really think people are going to appreciate art made strictly by a computer? That entirely computer generated art is going to be what fills the halls of the worlds most famous galleries and museums? That's a preposterous notion in my view. For the sake of our society and culture, I hope it doesn't happen.

So you don't have a rational argument, you just want to preserve a special place for humans in society and are afraid of the notion that computers will eventually do everything better than humans do.

I heard a dude talking about computers power by atoms or some shit that where infinitly fast and powerful. Anyone know what this stuff is called?

Biocomputing or nanoscale mechanical computers.

 

[CF_Fighter]

What about a "Minority Report" version of the future? I really liked how they did it in that film and we've seen some of it start to come to realization in early forms.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

What about a "Minority Report" version of the future? I really liked how they did it in that film and we've seen some of it start to come to realization in early forms.

We'll have to get holograms first which are always 10-20 years away

 

[ElectricBlue187]

So you don't have a rational argument, you just want to preserve a special place for humans in society and are afraid of the notion that computers will eventually do everything better than humans do.

most of the "best" art in my opinion is the kind that describes in a novel way some aspect of what it's like to be human. Because computers are, be design, not human I don't see how they can do anything but replicate or attempt to fool us that they know what it is to be human.

 

[msv]

So you don't have a rational argument, you just want to preserve a special place for humans in society and are afraid of the notion that computers will eventually do everything better than humans do.

Problem is, that once a computer gets that intelligent, it should be given the same rights as a human, seeing as it... should be sentient by then. But perhaps we might be able to make a non-sentient program that would output stuff like that, depends on what sentience is actually.

Can't wait for when we are able to simulate a human mind fully. Ethical, no shitstorm in general ahoy. I foresee many groups being very discriminate and hateful against sentient computers. Exciting times. I will be on the side of the computers by the way, after all, we can't help but love our creations <3

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

most of the "best" art in my opinion is the kind that describes in a novel way some aspect of what it's like to be human. Because computers are, be design, not human I don't see how they can do anything but replicate or attempt to fool us that they know what it is to be human.

It's like this:

Either humans are magic, or a computer can do it too.

 

[Kinitari]

Added Graphene to the OP, it is a lot cooler than I was expecting.

 

[Slavik81]

Remember, by 2050 we'll probably have computers the size of a blood cell that are a billion times more powerful than all the creative human minds that ever lived put together.

This might not be a valid assumption. Plenty of other technologies have had rapid expansion, only to hit a brick wall and have growth slow to a crawl.

 

[Prez]

You're right about robots doing most of our space exploration for us in the future. However, we will be colonizing other planets/moons. Within 200 years Mars will be well underway being terraformed. After that Venus will follow. It's a simple "or not so simple" concept of removing the CO2 from its atmosphere then replacing it with Oxygen. This could be done with huge swarms of nanobots for example absorbing the toxic gases and releasing the good ones.

Do you have any idea what Venus is like? Venus has no water. It once had, but then it got so hot that all the water particles shot up in space (just read this in "A Short History of Nearly Everything").

 

[The Elite]

Brilliant thread.

 

[bobbytkc]

quantum technologies. I am doing a phd on it, so you can consider me an advocate.

Quantum teleportation? Superdense coding? quantum cryptography? Quantum computation? Even graphene are based on quantum mechanical principles.

The future is quantum man...

 

[TekkenMaster]

Nuclear Fusion would be wonderful, but it's always been "10-20 years away" since I first learned about it in the early 90's.

 

[Burger]

This is either very good news, or very bad news:

 

[show me your skeleton]

I also think future technology will do alot of the creative grunt work for us. For example, I bet you can tell your computer/robot of the future that you want to write a song with these types of notes, ideas, lyrics, etc. Then 5 minutes later you have 1000 written songs to choose from that your robot musician thing just produced for you.

computers can already write music in the style of bach etc. not exactly the same thing and arguable whether it's intelligence or not, but still.

 

[deadbeef]

computers can already write music in the style of bach etc. not exactly the same thing and arguable whether it's intelligence or not, but still.

We have a pretty good test for intelligence for computers: the Turing Test.

 

[Norml]

The graphene could make a very strong skateboard sandwiched in the wood.

 

[show me your skeleton]

So you don't have a rational argument, you just want to preserve a special place for humans in society and are afraid of the notion that computers will eventually do everything better than humans do.

'better' is such a tricky, near impossible value to quantify in art though. an a.i's first artistic output will be a truly groundbreaking event, particularly if it explores something personal & unique to its being, but why would it be 'better' than any of the greats? it'll be completely subjective, as with all art regardless of the gender, race or in this case lifeform of the artist.
every other field the robots will have us beat though, definitely, haha.

We have a pretty good test for intelligence for computers: the Turing Test.

aye, and this programme/work was never designed to showcase intelligence in that way. more a form of faux-creativity that relies on learned rules (in this case looking at hundreds of pieces of music & noticing patterns within) & using these rules to emulate a style. this bottom-up style of 'intellect' development will probably be what the first truly intelligent a.i's will use though, as it mirror's nature.

 

[show me your skeleton]

edit: double post, sorry.