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GAF-Hop |OT14| The 6 God is Five Writers, And One False Idol

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Syntsui

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I think it's time to do this, I've lurked enough:

Musical Tastes

1. Pick a Coast to rep (Chiraq or Atlantistan) - Atlanta
2. What’s your favorite subgenre of rap? (Conscious/Backpack, Trap/Drill, Mafioso, WC Gangsta, Swag, Weed, Hyphy, Club, etc) - Club and Conscious depending on my mood
3. Favorite Artists (Pick Five) - Jay Z, Kanye, Kendrick, J Cole and Drake
4. Favorite Artists Outside of Hip-Hop (Pick Five) - I don't think I have a ''favorite'' non-rapper artist that is not Adam Levine. Maroon 5 aside, I listen to a bunch of random pop/r&b/edm stuff but I can't say I'm a fan of anyone
5. What was your hip-hop AOTY last year? What’s your current hip-hop AOTY? Cilvia Demo was the best álbum released last year and this year TPAB is my favorite album so far (DS2 is a close second, Barter 6 a close third - different lanes, yeah
6. What are you listening to right now? - DS2/Rodeo
7. What’s something you like that you might consider a guilty pleasure? What’s something you haven’t listened to that you think a hip-hop aficionado might give you shit for? I think liking J Cole is a sin for most of you guys, maybe liking Maroon 5 too
8. Rank a Random Rapper’s Discography (Pick Someone With > 3 Albums) Black Album > Blueprint > Reasonable Doubt > Amerin Gangster > In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 > The Best of Both Worlds > Watch The Throne > Collision Course > The rest which I don't really like as albums, even if there are some good songs here and there

GAF-Hop Discusses

1. What do you like about the current state of hip-hop? What’s missing from the game?Nothing is missing, it's better than ever really
2. Who’s Your Favorite Wu-Tang Member? Method Man by far
3. Jay-Z or Nas? Biggie or Pac? Young Thug or OG Maco? Jay Z, Biggie, Thug
4. What Hip-Hop Album Are You Currently Anticipating?Views From The 6
5. Who is the Most Underrated Emcee? Who is the Most Overrated? Isaiah Rashad (I know you guys like him, but he is a nobody to the great public and is not being properly set up by his label) and Eminem respectively
6. Would You Rather Eat An Ass or Have Your Ass Eaten? Eat booty like groceries
7. Onions, Avocados, Both, or Neither? Neither
8. Do you still listen to Eminem? Why? I alway give him a listen, but I just can’t go back to any of his music past Eminem Show I guess
9. Who’s your favorite pop artist? And who’s the finest? Adam Levine is my favorite, Beyoncé/Katy Perry are the finest
10. Recall a personal event that went down about a week ago... Drank more than I should, vomited on the table at the bar, paid a R$20 fine for it, it was a good night
 
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Grover Cleveland

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Dereck said:
So is the beef over between you and Action Bronson?
I mean, yeah. I mean, I don’t even speak about that shit, you know what I mean? What was said, it was said. I don’t even acknowledge it no more. Just keep it moving and shit like that, you know what I mean?

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2015/09/ghostface-killah-action-bronson-beef/
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Action copped pleas behind the scenes (and in public tbf) and Ghost knows that there's no real point to continuing this shit.

I do think it's funny that this whole thing started over Action jokingly responding to a question on ESPN's afternoon blooper and bullshit show.
 
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IrishNinja

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Net_Wrecker said:
I've never once seen any Royce praise in this thread tbh,
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early gafhop rode hard for slaughterhouse, its one of our dirty little secrets

Dereck said:
Speaking of Royce, which one of these albums is the best out of the three? Boom Bap Batte brehs
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i like elhzi, but it's P! all day

HiResDes said:
Take Care 5/10

...If You're Reading this 8/10
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this is the definition of a hypebeast that doesn't revisit shit

Syntsui said:
5. What was your hip-hop AOTY last year? What’s your current hip-hop AOTY? Cilvia Demo was the best álbum released last year and this year TPAB is my favorite album so far
8. Rank a Random Rapper’s Discography (Pick Someone With > 3 Albums) Black Album > Blueprint > Reasonable Doubt
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good. goooood.
weird to pick demo as your AOTY and then put dude as most overrated though, haha

peterb0y said:
Btw travis Scott action figures are up on his store.

150$.
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you can get the figure of a legend like ghost (eagle and all) and prolly still have change though
 
IrishNinja

IrishNinja

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^ah i misread, my bad

incoming
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forgive the dust

so that lord jamar (i know, hear me out) vlad video on ghostwriting...got me thinking a bit. i think dude's right that just saying MJ/the best of pop and R&B doing it as a known thing doesn't give hip hop a pass. i mean, we know some really high tier MC's absolutely had rhymes written for them - Dre, Eazy, Pete Rock, Lyte, etc - but i can't fault dude's logic here.

it came up cause of the sprite can thing, and while i love drake's music, dude's name really shouldn't be next to those legends...for reasons other than ghostwriting, i'd argue. but if i'm being honest? Rakim, Big & Nas are easily in my top 5 GOAT list, but if we found out tomorrow that they used ghostwriters - especially on their biggest tracks, or worse, with any level of frequency - that'd be some upsetting shit & knock them down a peg or two in my book.

it doesn't bother me as much with drizzy because of his lane/the times/etc etc but if he was ever in my consideration for a top 10 MC, it'd be a factor & possibly keep him off my list, especially with so much competition. anyone else kinda have this juxtaposition that yeah, we know it goes down & don't wanna make a huge thing of it, but it still might weigh heavily in your top spots?
 
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Koozek

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IrishNinja said:
^ah i misread, my bad

incoming
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forgive the dust

so that lord jamar (i know, hear me out) vlad video on ghostwriting...got me thinking a bit. i think dude's right that just saying MJ/the best of pop and R&B doing it as a known thing doesn't give hip hop a pass. i mean, we know some really high tier MC's absolutely had rhymes written for them - Dre, Eazy, Pete Rock, Lyte, etc - but i can't fault dude's logic here.

it came up cause of the sprite can thing, and while i love drake's music, dude's name really shouldn't be next to those legends...for reasons other than ghostwriting, i'd argue. but if i'm being honest? Rakim, Big & Nas are easily in my top 5 GOAT list, but if we found out tomorrow that they used ghostwriters - especially on their biggest tracks, or worse, with any level of frequency - that'd be some upsetting shit & knock them down a peg or two in my book.

it doesn't bother me as much with drizzy because of his lane/the times/etc etc but if he was ever in my consideration for a top 10 MC, it'd be a factor & possibly keep him off my list, especially with so much competition. anyone else kinda have this juxtaposition that yeah, we know it goes down & don't wanna make a huge thing of it, but it still might weigh heavily in your top spots?
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Yeah, I totally understand what you mean. In my "dusty Hip-Hop head" times I would have lost all the respect for Drake, but nowadays I really don't care that much for lyricism and realness. I now care more about energy, flow, ear for micro-melodies etc. What I liked about Drake was his signature sound and he has had that since '09 already - I'm sure that's 100% him.

I feel like he only really started relying more on songwriters (as long as he credits them they aren't ghostwriters and Quentin was credited properly on every track, right?) and reference tracks around NWTS where there was a clear shift in his flow and writing style (see Worst Behavior). Though I just realized I might be contradicting myself. I said I only care about flow, but we heard Drake taking flows and some of those iconic phrases straight from Quentin. Hmm... I don't know. Maybe I ultimately only care about the resulting music in the end. So much in Hip-Hop today is made by dozens of artists jamming together and bouncing ideas forth and back anyway.
 
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Grover Cleveland

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IrishNinja said:
^ah i misread, my bad

incoming
yawn3.png
forgive the dust

so that lord jamar (i know, hear me out) vlad video on ghostwriting...got me thinking a bit. i think dude's right that just saying MJ/the best of pop and R&B doing it as a known thing doesn't give hip hop a pass. i mean, we know some really high tier MC's absolutely had rhymes written for them - Dre, Eazy, Pete Rock, Lyte, etc - but i can't fault dude's logic here.

it came up cause of the sprite can thing, and while i love drake's music, dude's name really shouldn't be next to those legends...for reasons other than ghostwriting, i'd argue. but if i'm being honest? Rakim, Big & Nas are easily in my top 5 GOAT list, but if we found out tomorrow that they used ghostwriters - especially on their biggest tracks, or worse, with any level of frequency - that'd be some upsetting shit & knock them down a peg or two in my book.

it doesn't bother me as much with drizzy because of his lane/the times/etc etc but if he was ever in my consideration for a top 10 MC, it'd be a factor & possibly keep him off my list, especially with so much competition. anyone else kinda have this juxtaposition that yeah, we know it goes down & don't wanna make a huge thing of it, but it still might weigh heavily in your top spots?
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Agreed on all points. It never really really bothered me because I never saw Drake as a guy with a chance of sniffing all-time great status as an MC. I'd feel a type o way if I found out that Nas (my personal GOAT) was taking reference tracks, but Drake? Nah.

And that's the great miscalculation Meek made in that whole beef (on top of other miscalculations, but his subfuckery is another topic for another day). The cats who fuck with Drake's music heavy don't. give. a. shit. who wrote it. Not a single fuck.

Does it bang in the whip? Check
Does it get play in the club? Check
Do the chicks fuck with it? Check

That's it. People who like Drake's music couldn't care less if Aubrey Graham wrote it, Quentin Miller wrote it, Onika Minaj wrote it, Taylor Swift wrote it.

Meek tried to use something that only the people who run in the purest hip hop circles care about to expose Drake and ended up playing himself.
 
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Koozek

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Grover Cleveland said:
Agreed on all points. It never really really bothered me because I never saw Drake as a guy with a chance of sniffing all-time great status as an MC. I'd feel a type o way if I found out that Nas (my personal GOAT) was taking reference tracks, but Drake? Nah.

And that's the great miscalculation Meek made in that whole beef (on top of other miscalculations, but his subfuckery is another topic for another day). The cats who fuck with Drake's music heavy don't. give. a. shit. who wrote it. Not a single fuck.

Does it bang in the whip? Check
Does it get play in the club? Check
Do the chicks fuck with it? Check

That's it. People who like Drake's music couldn't care less if Aubrey Graham wrote it, Quentin Miller wrote it, Onika Minaj wrote it, Taylor Swift wrote it.

Meek tried to use something that only the people who run in the purest hip hop circles care about to expose Drake and ended up playing himself.
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On point.
 
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Rastafarian42

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IrishNinja said:
^ah i misread, my bad

incoming
yawn3.png
forgive the dust

so that lord jamar (i know, hear me out) vlad video on ghostwriting...got me thinking a bit. i think dude's right that just saying MJ/the best of pop and R&B doing it as a known thing doesn't give hip hop a pass. i mean, we know some really high tier MC's absolutely had rhymes written for them - Dre, Eazy, Pete Rock, Lyte, etc - but i can't fault dude's logic here.

it came up cause of the sprite can thing, and while i love drake's music, dude's name really shouldn't be next to those legends...for reasons other than ghostwriting, i'd argue. but if i'm being honest? Rakim, Big & Nas are easily in my top 5 GOAT list, but if we found out tomorrow that they used ghostwriters - especially on their biggest tracks, or worse, with any level of frequency - that'd be some upsetting shit & knock them down a peg or two in my book.

it doesn't bother me as much with drizzy because of his lane/the times/etc etc but if he was ever in my consideration for a top 10 MC, it'd be a factor & possibly keep him off my list, especially with so much competition. anyone else kinda have this juxtaposition that yeah, we know it goes down & don't wanna make a huge thing of it, but it still might weigh heavily in your top spots?
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Not gonna lie some of my dust senses were tingling during the ghostwriting fiasco with Drake part of me was still naive about it's use but I knew the history of ghostwriting in hip-hop but for whatever reason I felt certain rappers wrote their raps especially Drake since his material is very personal were his own but at the end of the day he wrote Back to Back and knocked meek down a peg. I agree for my personal rankings it would affect me to some degree if some of my favorite rappers had their verses written for them. Me personally the accusations don't really mean that much to me for Drake now because i still feel like he's one of the best artists in the genre.
 
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Koozek

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Rastafarian42 said:
Not gonna lie some of my dust senses were tingling during the ghostwriting fiasco with Drake part of me was still naive about it's use but I knew the history of ghostwriting in hip-hop but for whatever reason I felt certain rappers wrote their raps especially Drake since his material is very personal were his own but at the end of the day he wrote Back to Back and knocked meek down a peg. I agree for my personal rankings it would affect me to some degree if some of my favorite rappers had their verses written for them.
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To be fair, I highly doubt that he had ghostwriters for his personal tracks. Now that would be something that even I wouldn't be okay with. I know that Dre did it, but let's not pretend he's a rapper in the first place.
 
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Rastafarian42

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Koozek said:
To be fair, I highly doubt that he had ghostwriters for his personal tracks. Now that would be something that even I wouldn't be okay with. I know that Dre did it, but let's not pretend he's a rapper in the first place.
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Yeah I agree Know Yourself isn't all that personal and yeah it'd be more damaging if he didn't write Marvin's Room if anything.
 
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at the end of the day only a small minority (and it's dwindling by the day) really gives a shit about who writes what.

shit even other artists really care that much.

music is an accessory and a moneymaking venture.
 
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Grover Cleveland

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Rastafarian42 said:
Yeah I agree Know Yourself isn't all that personal and yeah it'd be more damaging if he didn't write Marvin's Room if anything.
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It would be more damaging to whoever did write Marvin's Room than it would to Drake

Ol simp ass shit

EDIT: Dom Kennedy put out a tape today but hearing it's hot basura. Somebody taste the food before I eat
 
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The Artful Dodger

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DominoKid said:
at the end of the day only a small minority (and it's dwindling by the day) really gives a shit about who writes what.

shit even other artists really care that much.

music is an accessory and a moneymaking venture.
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It depends on the artist. I mean, if we found out Kendrick's shit was ghostwritten, I think people would look at him differently.
 
IrishNinja

IrishNinja

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Koozek said:
(as long as he credits them they aren't ghostwriters and Quentin was credited properly on every track, right?)
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this is a really good point, yeah...you're right, that's fair
and agreed about dozens of artists & signature sound, speaking of the latter i bet meek thought he had a finishing move on his hands with "riding through the 6 with my woes..."

Grover Cleveland said:
Meek tried to use something that only the people who run in the purest hip hop circles care about to expose Drake and ended up playing himself.
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yeah, when you put it like that, it prolly felt the way 50 did when his ace card of Ross as a CO did absolutely nothing to his fanbase

Rastafarian42 said:
...but at the end of the day he wrote Back to Back and knocked meek down a peg. I agree for my personal rankings it would affect me to some degree if some of my favorite rappers had their verses written for them. Me personally the accusations don't really mean that much to me for Drake now because i still feel like he's one of the best artists in the genre.
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yeah, kinda echoing you guys but since i don't see Drake that way, it didn't affect my enjoyment of his music. but in the plus column? responding to meek on wax was way more hip hop than mill was acting, and using his strengths (the ability to make a club hit) with his diss towards dude was a trip.

on the ghostwriting front though, i tend to feel safe because most of my favorites just sound so much within their lane/wheelwell that it's hard to picture their shit being outsourced...like, who the fuck else but reggie is looking to reference half the dated shit he does in his rhymes? there wouldn't be a point to outsourcing that - same with Ghost, Tip, Rakim etc etc. but man, it'd be crushing to find out they did.

inversely if nas had ghosts for oochie wallie or some bad shit that'd be okay somehow
 
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RP912

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Koozek said:
Most of the time I chopped because straight looping felt lazy to me and wasn't as fun, but in the recent months I started using loops more and more when I delved into Ableton where loop-based stuff is pretty quick and flexible (though sequencing/drum programming is way more comfortable in Fruity - know it by heart, been using it since I was 14). I also love the way you can warp/stretch+chop in Ableton and then easily change the single chops' start and end points within the whole sample (the same with loops, where can change loop points on-the-fly).
I'm now quite enjoying the process of live-arranging full loops even. I make completely different types of beats that way.
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I need to get back into Ableton. I usually cut samples on Audacity and chopped them up on Maschine. I looped every now and then, but most of the time the loop doesn't work out in my favor.
 
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IrishNinja

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DominoKid said:
kendrick would be just fine. we just saw Nas roll through his own little ghostwriting controversy w/ no effect just 3 years ago.
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right, but then Dead Prez & whatever of Jay Elec was around at that time do explain some of the forgettable shit there, haha

And we’re all well aware that rappers are not so much diarists as storytellers, bigger-than-life characters, and ciphers for their neighborhood or region, all at once. Fact, fiction, and fantasy are merged together, as they are in every art form. So, outrage over ghostwriting is a regressive way of approaching rap music. Trumping lyrics over all else sends the genre back even further than the already problematic celebration of “skills” that dominated during the golden era and still lingers.
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i get where dude's coming from, but scust at that last line
explains why some of ya'll go for beats and don't really care who's on the mic though i guess

ViewtifulJC said:
Tomorrow we gon find out the entirety of Illmatic was written by a white woman from the midwest
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shit, i'd wanna know what she's been up to since then

Ninja Dom said:
Who could have ghost-written Illmatic? There wasn't any rappers around 21 years ago with that much lyrical flow - except Rakim & Kool G Rap.
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this is kind've an important bit too i guess - like i don't date Extra P helped iron shit out or even tossed some bars in there. Puffy shaped biggie's shit early on, we know supergroups & duos often trade/use bars/help each other out. i don't think this is nearly the same thing as reference tracks being copied & pasted onto a beat with your style though.
 
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Ninja Dom

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RP912 said:
Big Daddy Kane???
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Yes, he was about Great flow on his first two albums, no doubt! At the time of Nas he was doing his stupid Das-EFX "figgety-wiggety" bullshit style though.

IrishNinja said:
this is kind've an important bit too i guess - like i don't date Extra P helped iron shit out or even tossed some bars in there. Puffy shaped biggie's shit early on, we know supergroups & duos often trade/use bars/help each other out. i don't think this is nearly the same thing as reference tracks being copied & pasted onto a beat with your style though.
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Large Professor was a huge influence on Illmatic, I'm sure. As well as producing the two stand out singles, I'm sure Nas learned a lot from working with him.

The Artful Dodger said:
Will Smith
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Fresh Prince with the The Tech on the Dresser.
 
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