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GAF-Hop |OTXVI| Build a Wall (of Better Top 20 Albums)
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Discotheque
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imagine if Hulk Hogan played Randy the Ram lmao.
When it comes to overall cultural footprint, I can get down with that, not in terms of rapping and albums for the first 2 though
First Kawhi ain't that good and now this?!
Glass Rebel
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I argue people rank Jay over Nas because one made better music, but that's just me...
I unironically liked one of those artists in my youth...
Young LP was a fucking dumbass
Andrew Korenchkin
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Fuck The Spurs.
Syphon Filter
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But you know Kawhi is better than every person on y'alls roster by a country mile
Imma pull one from your book, why should I care about the majority? What did Tupac do when it came purely to his music to deserve to be put in my personal top 5 because that's all these lists are, personal favorites.
Illithid Dude
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honestly i already regret posting that
but i think cultural footprint is very important in determining top 5, otherwise there are just too many variables at play. hell, otherwise we could just be ranking individual wu tang members and thats just messy
but i think cultural footprint is very important in determining top 5, otherwise there are just too many variables at play. hell, otherwise we could just be ranking individual wu tang members and thats just messy
Syphon Filter
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Spurs are great, what's wrong?
Andrew Korenchkin
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I'm a Lakers fan, it's paramount for me to hate the Spurs more than any other team.
Well, expect the Celtics. Fuck Boston.
Far from it.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Yeah, I loathe The Spurs but he's one of the best players in the league. Oh well, he's likeable unlike fucking Bruce Bowen and flopper Manobli.
Bounceounce
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I see Nas ranked above Jay Z more, a lot of people don't even look at Jay as a lyricist, he's honestly going to have a terrible legacy.
No he isn't. Don't bring that conversation into here please.
It's about even as far as ranking, the rest of the statement I just can't agree with lol.
Syphon Filter
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only lebron and KD are ahead of leonard.
False.
Bounceounce
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On paper Jay Z has and will continue to have one of the greatest rap careers/legacies of all time, but what's on paper/stats doesn't matter, Jay's current legacy/public perception is horrid and will only continue to get worse.
-He will not be remembered as a lyricist or a good rapper, only as a businessman with pop hits (he's going to go down in history as a worse rapper/artist than Eminem/Big L/Busta Rhymes/DMX for just three of many rappers who he will be remembered as worse than).
-It will falsely be remembered that Biggie was his mentor/teacher that taught him everything
-He will be remembered as a flow/lyric thief who got everything at the start of his career from the better rappers Jaz-O and Nas/hopping from dick to dick, and continued to build the rest of his career off of stolen bars and hopping on features to stay relevant
-He will falsely be remembered as someone who owes all of his success/status to Kanye/Beyoncé
-He will falsely be remembered as a snake/not "real"/someone who didn't bring anyone with them to success which amongst many of the falsities about Jay's life/character that millions already believe will continue to be passed down as fact and just like they've done for the past two decades lead to millions thinking he's a shit rapper
And that's just the start, Jay doesn't have "the streets", the general public, the hypebeasts, the underground elitists, or any other group that will carry on his legacy, there will be no Jay Z statues or murals, he's not going to get a gushing outpouring of love on his death like we've seen for many celebrities over the past years, and so on so forth, there's just way too much evidence supporting everything I'm saying.
And Curry
Well since we're here, who do you personally put above Kawhi and why
Where's the evidence because this is new to me.
Pretty sure I already explained it for the most part in the NBA thread and you read the comments.
Not wasting my time to do that again.
You really didn't explain yourself, other people, me included, posted rankings, then revised them having Kawhi in the top 4. I wanna know your personal players above The Claw Mr. "LaMarcus Aldridge is better than Kawhi"
More chunes for your head top
Bounceounce
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Everything said about Jay Z on any site/comments section from circa Ether era up until now.
Or do you mean evidence for the specific points?
Both, I'm going to copy and paste your quote to see what this FB hip hop group I'm in(NY based too) thinks of it because I know Jay gets a bad rap, but I felt it was overlooked.
Bounceounce
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K, can you link me that group though?
I've been looking for new Rap groups to join.
I really wonder if Drake will ever be considered Top 5. I don't think he will ever by the current guard of 90's-centric Hip-Hop critics, that's for sure. Maybe when Complex, Genius & Co. will have Top 5 discussions in 10 years or so. What will that new Top 5 look like?
And deep down, I think, Drake is pissed that he still hasn't had that "classic" album, that's artistically revered and loved by Real Rap fans too, like GKMC or TBAP. I'm sure he's still a Hip-Hip Head in his heart no matter how nonchalant and above-it-all he seems to be nowadays with his status.
Psychological Intellect
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Noah is genuinely an awful film all around.
Pretty sure outside of the internet rap world, Jay Z are beloved by fans and fellow rappers.
All the new rappers mention him as inspiration or in their top 5. The hate for Jay is so intense that people are re-writing his history, impact, and place in the rap world.
Anyway, I personally found Damn to be better than To Pimp a Butterfly. I also wanted to add that while I don't like all of Kendrick's output all the time, the one thing I always appreciate about his work is it never seems forced. By that I mean while he might collaborate with pop stars, his own albums never have rapper of the week guest appearances or any forced collabos just to capture whatever is hot at the moment.
ThanksVision
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after listening to new kendrick at every get-together this weekend i'm really feeling it. think i only desire putting it on in that kinda social setting, but it's perfect for that. spring is here mood.
also playboi carti is coming to my town next friday prob gonna hit that up
e: also also catching up with the thread and seeing a kendrick stan scream fuck nas makes me want to never listen to kendrick again smh
also playboi carti is coming to my town next friday prob gonna hit that up
e: also also catching up with the thread and seeing a kendrick stan scream fuck nas makes me want to never listen to kendrick again smh
Man, I'm a Nas stan who loves the "Nas lost" meme but how the fuck can you listen to hiphop and have this opinion? Did Nas date rape your sister and emasculate your father or something?
Cesare Borgia
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I doubt Drake cares. There was a time where he probably did but at this point he realizes he's the man. Nobody is going to remember Kendrick's albums in a decade or two, whereas Drake has an endless amount of hit songs that are the soundtrack for people's lives. Albums are dead, unfortunately. Singles matter. Kendrick doesn't really have any, well outside of like 2-3. Drake will be the dominant voice of his generation of rap just as Jay-Z was of his.; I'm sure people might argue Jay-Z didn't drop the best albums of that era but nobody cares.
torre_avenue
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Holy shit, and here I thought LionPride was going to be king of the trolls.
What a horseshit argument, because a) albums do matter and will always matter and b) Drake isn't the voice of any generation.
He. Doesn't. Have. A. Good. Album. I listened to his albums, I tried, it didn't hit. That's how I have that opinion.
It's weird ain't it
torre_avenue
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LMAO.
Koozek in shambles, I look forward to your angry tweets at Vince about his inability to enjoy the finest Japanese RPG game ever made.
The whole interview is great, check it out, but Vince is like that guy from "Full Metal Jacket", the one with the thousand yard stare. The bit about fans in it is so fucking true, because the nature between artists and fans is so twisted and fucked up in that we expect things from them and expect them to give them to us regardless of what they want i.e. Kendrick's "second album", Future's three-peat, etc.
Cesare Borgia
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If you don't think Illmatic is a great album your views on hip hop are largely worthless. It's the equalivent of being a "jazz fan" who thinks Love Supreme isn't great.
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