I agree that there will always be lucky and unlucky breaks that effect games and that you can never account for everything, but I also think that when designing games it is important to at least try and make the game in such a way that it will be a bit harder for a single lucky/unlucky break to have an enormous impact on the game. A single role being removed from the game early should never completely break the balance of a game, there should be things in place to prevent that from happening.
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GAF MAFIA |OT| Season 4 Review Thread | "YES, SOMEHOW I AM THE PROBLEM HERE"
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I agree that there will always be lucky and unlucky breaks that effect games and that you can never account for everything, but I also think that when designing games it is important to at least try and make the game in such a way that it will be a bit harder for a single lucky/unlucky break to have an enormous impact on the game. A single role being removed from the game early should never completely break the balance of a game, there should be things in place to prevent that from happening.
That's why we let everyone know to give us their commands 1-2 hours before the night ended. Recieving 3 commands literary 10 minutes before the night ended fucked me right over. But at least that's sorted out.
Your salt sustains me in my darkest hours.
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm pretty sure I'm the saltiest Mgs player, even though I forget about the game 1/2 the time
THEY WOULDNT EVEN LISTEN TO ME IN THE DEAD THREAD, after I had been shown to be town
THEY WOULDNT EVEN LISTEN TO ME IN THE DEAD THREAD, after I had been shown to be town
You were sooooooooooooooo scummy.
And that's coming from me who embraced the scumminess that people assumed of me on day 1.
Hyperactivity
Banned
You were sooooooooooooooo scummy.
And that's coming from me who embraced the scumminess that people assumed of me on day 1.
whaaatever, all I know is that I guessed all 4 scum and was ignored even on the one that made the most sense
I kept you alive as long as possible cause I figured you'd be an easy lynch when needed =p
Hyperactivity
Banned
and you guys still ended up nk'ing me because "if he says it enough times people might listen"
Hyperactivity
Banned
You guessed all 4 of the 3 scum, I'm so proud of you
like I said, I forget
I had to go back and make sure my snark wasn't misplaced
I also forgot if it was 3 or 4 scum.
I had to go back and make sure my snark wasn't misplaced
I also forgot if it was 3 or 4 scum.
We made the doctor an honorary scum. That might be what's causing the confusion.
Upupupu
There's a group of streamers streaming Live Mafia games right now: http://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit Having not played live in a long time it is interesting to watch a live games after all this forum stuff.
I want to play a real time game with GAFIA pretty badly. Doesn't even have to be video/voice.
Come on people! I don't bite.
How badly?
if you want to see some video mafia these guys play quite often.
http://www.twitch.tv/dailymafia
I could be convinced but for my preference
video >> voice >>>> text
this would be awesome if it weren't for my aversion to seeing what squidy looks like
If we can make the timing work, I'd be willing to moderate.
I do have an aversion to having people see what I look like. But I could put a timer up in my window.
Hyperactivity
Banned
oh yeah, you talking about the pictures you sent to the rest of GAFIA?
The only pictures I forwarded randomly to members of gafia were any of the lewd ones that cabot sent me.
Xamtheking
Member
I don't think I look that bad
Retro, you are the looks right after me mate, ❤
That doesn't necessarily mean those pictures weren't of Retro though............
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
kay so i think we're done with this review thread
minutes are as follows:
Palmer_v1 will volunteer to choose which game he will review since he doesn't want to be spoilt on every game design ever.
Additional volunteers for the overseer team:
Total games submitted to date for review for either Season 5 or Season 5.5: 10 (+1 pending - Scrafty's Bloodborne)
Note: I have sent all moderators the link to a spreadsheet that tracks all games submitted to me thus far. The spreadsheet also has hyperlinks to all the game designs (if provided).
UPDATE:
So. Crab has graced us in the moderators' chat with his presence and inputs and he said that he shall start Season 5 main thread after FF and Heist wrap up. HOORAY
All of games submitted should provide their designs ASAP to the Overseers' Team, so reviews can be conducted in a timely manner. Remember, it will not be a straight "APPROVED" feedback. There will be back and forth between the game designer and the overseer team, so allow the reviewing panel at least a few days to go over your designs with you.
And, that's it :>
SEE YOU ALL IN SEASON 5!
(for now, back to S4 main thread)~~~
minutes are as follows:
(tentative) Overseer Team:
- Crab
- Ourobolus
- RetroMG
- nin1000
Palmer_v1 will volunteer to choose which game he will review since he doesn't want to be spoilt on every game design ever.
Additional volunteers for the overseer team:
- squidyj
- Royal_Flush
Total games submitted to date for review for either Season 5 or Season 5.5: 10 (+1 pending - Scrafty's Bloodborne)
Note: I have sent all moderators the link to a spreadsheet that tracks all games submitted to me thus far. The spreadsheet also has hyperlinks to all the game designs (if provided).
UPDATE:
So. Crab has graced us in the moderators' chat with his presence and inputs and he said that he shall start Season 5 main thread after FF and Heist wrap up. HOORAY
All of games submitted should provide their designs ASAP to the Overseers' Team, so reviews can be conducted in a timely manner. Remember, it will not be a straight "APPROVED" feedback. There will be back and forth between the game designer and the overseer team, so allow the reviewing panel at least a few days to go over your designs with you.
And, that's it :>
SEE YOU ALL IN SEASON 5!
(for now, back to S4 main thread)~~~
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Roya didn't realise that we were welcoming mid-season designs for reviews so, he asked me to put Of Gods and Men (title pending to be changed) to get Overseers' reviews.
the spreadsheet is linked at the game thread, which has been placed under Games Submitted for S5 Mid-Season at Outer Gafia.
the spreadsheet is linked at the game thread, which has been placed under Games Submitted for S5 Mid-Season at Outer Gafia.
Animal Crossing was designed and balanced with a physical Werewolf set, which basically tries to account for the impact of each role (ideal balance is 0, a regular Villager is +1, a Wolf is -7). So the game probably gets a lot of comments that it was well-balanced because of this.
IIRC, the proper ratio for the game was 3 Mafia. The fourth scum was "lost" (and that's basically a Minion), which is sort of negative for Mafia, but offers them another player (and gives the Town side a little more wiggle room with powers).
Stuff that was more out of the ordinary (the Gossips) is where I sat down and tried to figure out what the impact of the role would be.
Also, the board wasn't really by design, at least not by much. I originally just seeded the board randomly, then ironed out a few odd things (gossips being spaced from each other). The two-player house was also by design, obviously (and my only real regret). But you could probably run the whole thing completely random and it'd be okay.
IIRC, the proper ratio for the game was 3 Mafia. The fourth scum was "lost" (and that's basically a Minion), which is sort of negative for Mafia, but offers them another player (and gives the Town side a little more wiggle room with powers).
Stuff that was more out of the ordinary (the Gossips) is where I sat down and tried to figure out what the impact of the role would be.
Also, the board wasn't really by design, at least not by much. I originally just seeded the board randomly, then ironed out a few odd things (gossips being spaced from each other). The two-player house was also by design, obviously (and my only real regret). But you could probably run the whole thing completely random and it'd be okay.
Royal_Flush
Member
I thought about some sort of numerical system too, but would have made a Townie +10 and Scum -50... If you don't mind I'd like to discuss about these systems a bit.
Oh, the numeral system isn't something I created. Buy a Werewolf set (Ultimate Werewolf, or whatever iteration they're on now) from Bezier Games, which has a wide selection of roles with ratings for each role.
Although I don't like Bezier Games for essentially appropriating Werewolf as their own game, the rating system and the supplementary stuff in the manual is probably worth the price, especially if you like running these games.
Royal_Flush
Member
You are speaking to a guy who has played RL werewolf for the first time last week... I'm also not sure you can transfer the RL values 1:1 into the forum version. Do you know any good source where I don't have to buy a physical copy of something?
IMO, having a physical set like that is useful for planning online games, too. I can easily see everything at a glance, and add/remove things quickly.
The online resources for Mafia/Werewolf roles (that I've seen) are okay, but they don't offer a more 'objective' weighted system that they've playtested. I think some of the insights on MafiaScumWiki are interesting, but it's still tough to find a balanced set from those resources.
WW is a public-domain game, but what you're paying for with those physical sets is the rating system and insights into the different roles.
Of course there's a difference between RL and online Mafia, but there will also be a difference between different online mafia communities - so even MafiaScum's advice has to be re-interpreted into what makes "Gafia sense".
Ultimate Werewolf is the set most people have, and it does assign numeric values to roles. For example, a seer is like 7 points, while a guard is maybe 4-5? Ordinary townies are like 1 each.
A lot does not transfer well over to forum setting, but you get a feel for that as you go.
A lot is also affected by player skill. A seer/cop is pretty strong in anyone's hands, but Masons can vary wildly between two inactive newbies getting it, and two solid vets getting it.
A lot does not transfer well over to forum setting, but you get a feel for that as you go.
A lot is also affected by player skill. A seer/cop is pretty strong in anyone's hands, but Masons can vary wildly between two inactive newbies getting it, and two solid vets getting it.
Just a programming note - New signups for Outer Gafia will require approval by one of it's mods (Me, Yeeny, Scrafty) going forward. We've gotten a couple of spambot accounts created, and I'd like to keep those out.
If you don't have an account at OG (and why not?) you can still make one, and I'll also remove the approval process when the S5 Signup Thread goes up, but for now, I've taken this precaution to keep OG from being overrun.
If you don't have an account at OG (and why not?) you can still make one, and I'll also remove the approval process when the S5 Signup Thread goes up, but for now, I've taken this precaution to keep OG from being overrun.
I used a bit of it, but gave in to my own hubris by making a custom role. It was my downfall.
I don't know why you keep beating yourself up over that. That role was pure genius, and I don't care what anybody says in retaliation.
The idea was fun, but implementation was lacking.
Xamtheking
Member
I already know I want to help edit this
As long as there aren't any Mr. and Mrs. Blargonauts, then ok.
What is a Mr. and Mrs. Blargonaut?