OceanicAir
Member
Yup! Watched all 4 seasons of it! Probably one of my favorite reality shows out there. I also really enjoyed Crime Scene (another Korean show).
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Yup! Watched all 4 seasons of it! Probably one of my favorite reality shows out there. I also really enjoyed Crime Scene (another Korean show).
Ahh, that bag was suffocating! Nice to be able to breathe the toxic fumes of the sand wastes again. I see the Sherrif's Secret Police has been dumping waste from the Dog Park into the waterfront district.
I'm going to want to use it for Night Vale when season 4 starts. Just a heads up.
I'm going to want to use it for Night Vale when season 4 starts. Just a heads up.
Plus, how would beautiful Carlos have noticed you with that stuffy bag on your head?
The eye holes did make it difficult to see his perfect, perfect hair.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Random thought: if we could get 31 players in a mafia game, it could be Baskin Robbins-themed. It's all about the flavour.
Man that flavor text would be amazing. The backstory is just a list of ice creams.
Scum tries to melt the town flavors. The scum are the shit flavors that no one likes (rocky road).
I'm sure I offended someone.
Ben & Jerry's.
You are Stephen Colbert's Americone Dream. You are aligned with Scum.
You're delicious. Let's not dance around that fact. But the other flavors are jealous of you. For the past nine years you have perfected your image to the point where they will believe anything you say. If investigated, you will show up as Vanilla.
You are Stephen Colbert's Americone Dream. You are aligned with Scum.
You're delicious. Let's not dance around that fact. But the other flavors are jealous of you. For the past nine years you have perfected your image to the point where they will believe anything you say. If investigated, you will show up as Vanilla.
EzekelRAGE
Member
anything posted about next season yet? Want to make sure I didnt miss signups/feedback threads for it.
"I'm a plain old vanilla vanilla. If there's a Cornetto role, investigate me and you'll see!"
Nope, Crab got himself temporarily banned so that has delayed some things.
awwwpoor cornbro.... but maybe it'll take more than a month to set s4 up since crab is also out for 2 weeks ban?
.... gaf can be a mine field XD tread lightly out there, fellaw gafia addicts~~~~
Oh good point. It will be good to have a break between the 3.5 games and 4 games too.
How dare you
I'm always on break, I keep trying to play things and you assholes keep killing me day 1.
Hey, we kept you around on purpose in nx! And it paid off!
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
This is why Sorian has to die early. Bad things happen if he makes it to endgame.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Scum has a 100% win rate when you last more than a couple days.
You can't argue the facts.
Town has a 0% win rate when I'm killed within a couple days.
Can't argue those facts either.
don't you mean undefined?
TBD, the full data set is not yet available.
It's true for me though! Town has lost every game I've died in.
I mean, we don't have the results of the current game in progress but election town screwed the pooch, all because I died day 1.
I was town though ;_;
Also, no, you dicks tried to kill me night 1 too
We didn't though, we always wanted to target Ourob, it was just that Darryl suddenly wanted to do a switch kill and targeted you and we had to swap you with Ourob. You were never meant to be the real target.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Town won Cthulhu and you got axed on Night 2. The data speaks for itself!
Whatever, all I see was that a PM was sent that says REMOVE: Sorian.
;_;
What do you mean? I didn't play in the Cthulhu game.
The urge always returns.
Soon, dear listeners, soon.
Nah, no sign ups yet, we're waiting for Crabby Patty to get unbanned.
Ok...can you stop this?
You PMed me out of nowhere to insinutate that my buddy is Despair aligned even though I was 100% sure he was Hope (which he was). Okay, whatever. I didn't think too much about it. We had the remaining Despair completely cornered. The last argument for Despair was that one of the buddies was Despair-aligned and the game would be over tomorrow if we mislynched. I disproved this by pointing out the win condition for Despair - win when only Despair remains. Yep, just lynch Swamped and Christina to win. No risk for town, even for those who suspected the buddies. Then you changed the rules! Now Despair win when there are only Despair-aligned remaining. What the heck? Of course, there were no Despair-aligned neutrals. You gave Despair a shot at winning and more reason for me to think my buddy was or would transform into Despair.
That fucking sucked. We were two days from winning and we would have done it without transforming if you hadn't decided to participate. I found a way to salvage it, but that really ruined the game for me. I shouldn't have to play against the moderator. Thank you for not ruining my sole survivor victory by notifying everyone unprompted what my win condition was. Of course, you kept PMing me, "are you sure?" for the rest of the game to mock me.
Later you said you weren't paying attention to the game and didn't know I was certain of my buddy's alignment. But here's your explanation for the rule change:
Our only suspects were the remaining Despair players and that wasn't fast enough? You were dying for the serial killer to come out and even said so in the dead thread. Like, even if I am totally off-base in your intentions, surely you see how you seriously intervened in the game? I had already moved on, but I might as well post our full correspondence if you're going to keep throwing shade at me for no reason. Just admit your mistake and move on. It really sucks when moderators attempt to influence the outcome of the game. Future mods - remember that you are not a participant. We should only have to worry about deception from other players.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Jesus Christ Makai. None of that is true.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Oh boy...
I've seen communities crumble from stuff like this, guys please don't go down this road, not when our main leader is banned.
I've seen communities crumble from stuff like this, guys please don't go down this road, not when our main leader is banned.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
This is the perfect example of why players or mods should never say anything.
I apologize that you misunderstood my intent, Makai, but none of that is true.
I apologize that you misunderstood my intent, Makai, but none of that is true.
I agree with this, we are, presumably, going to have a discussion on what worked and what didn't this season. Let's talk about it there where it'll be more open and we can air grievances in a more controlled and healthy manner.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yep, I remembered the wording wrong. The point is, it changed the calculus for that day. There was now a risk to letting the buddies live for another day under Swamped's scenario. With the prior rule, it was safe to let us live even if one of us was neutral.
Seconded. It seems like there's something to learn from this both as players, and as moderators and we should have a discussion about it before next Season, but I feel like a more ordered discussion of it could help us get more useful information from it. I think there's other similar grievances people have mentioned (name-calling/criticism in the dead threads being one), and having a discussion about it is definitely warranted.
Royal_Flush
Member
Do we know when crab is coming back?
Completely unrelated question: What in your opinion is the lowest post frequency in a mafia game for it to "work"? I want to host a micro game in another small forum (~100 active members) but considering the overall posting behavior as well as signup speed there is a good chance I won't get more than 2 posts per day and player. Could that work or is my only hope that they ramp up their activity once they catch fire?
Completely unrelated question: What in your opinion is the lowest post frequency in a mafia game for it to "work"? I want to host a micro game in another small forum (~100 active members) but considering the overall posting behavior as well as signup speed there is a good chance I won't get more than 2 posts per day and player. Could that work or is my only hope that they ramp up their activity once they catch fire?
I imagine that if they want to play they're going to figure out quickly that mafia will steamroll them if they don't talk.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Look, Makai, I explained the reasoning for the rule change to the dead thread - I had worded the win condition I actually wanted wrong from the beginning. At the point where I changed that rule, it looked like it would speed things along not having the game go on longer than it had to when Despair controlled a majority. My telling you that I never said KK had the same role as you and that rule change were two completely irrelevant events.
I made a lot of mistakes throughout the game, and I'll own up to those. I even explained how all these different mechanics got jumbled up and how not all of it worked correctly, how some of it lead to more mistakes, and how it was difficult for a person in my position, as busy as I am, to keep up with everything going on - not just with the mechanics, but with the game itself. I legitimately was not following the game that closely. That is not a lie.
But I didn't intentionally try to change the outcome of the game and I won't abide by you saying that I tried to do that. That is an absolute lie. You can ask any player I have exchanges with while playing a game, my answers are usually succinct or I rarely respond. I never, ever say anything. However, I thought that the content of the PMs we had exchanged might have led you to a conclusion which was not necessarily the truth and that you could later, under a different set of circumstances, say that I said the roles were the same. I was trying to cover my own ass, and yet this is how it turned out, that I was meddling even more in the game.
So, yes, while I don't hold any ill will because this game turned out to be much more experimental and more of a learning experience than I had intended, I won't sit here and let you say that I tried to do anything. Using your name in that context was a joke in poor taste and I apologize; but I want people to know that I am being as judicious as possible when I host a game. I already have a reputation for talking more than I should, but I absolutely do not attempt to affect the outcome of a game for whatever reason. When I make a vague comment, like the one GreatCharleston called me out for, it is NOT to have players lean in a certain direction. I won't have people saying that I'm doing things I am not doing, because I lose credibility, which reflects poorly on me when I host games in the future.
I made a lot of mistakes throughout the game, and I'll own up to those. I even explained how all these different mechanics got jumbled up and how not all of it worked correctly, how some of it lead to more mistakes, and how it was difficult for a person in my position, as busy as I am, to keep up with everything going on - not just with the mechanics, but with the game itself. I legitimately was not following the game that closely. That is not a lie.
But I didn't intentionally try to change the outcome of the game and I won't abide by you saying that I tried to do that. That is an absolute lie. You can ask any player I have exchanges with while playing a game, my answers are usually succinct or I rarely respond. I never, ever say anything. However, I thought that the content of the PMs we had exchanged might have led you to a conclusion which was not necessarily the truth and that you could later, under a different set of circumstances, say that I said the roles were the same. I was trying to cover my own ass, and yet this is how it turned out, that I was meddling even more in the game.
So, yes, while I don't hold any ill will because this game turned out to be much more experimental and more of a learning experience than I had intended, I won't sit here and let you say that I tried to do anything. Using your name in that context was a joke in poor taste and I apologize; but I want people to know that I am being as judicious as possible when I host a game. I already have a reputation for talking more than I should, but I absolutely do not attempt to affect the outcome of a game for whatever reason. When I make a vague comment, like the one GreatCharleston called me out for, it is NOT to have players lean in a certain direction. I won't have people saying that I'm doing things I am not doing, because I lose credibility, which reflects poorly on me when I host games in the future.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
His ban was 2 weeks so... I think it's about 10 days out or so from today.
Not sure about lowest post frequency required for a good game but ... 2 posts per day is probably a bit too .... slow. But who knows! Maybe it'd work surprisingly well too.... :>
R_F, btw, I have said it before and I even plucked a link to your awesome tool in my Player Roster thingy but I just wanna say it again, your tool is just suppppppppppppperrrbbbbbbbb *___________* I love it~ LOVE
I played in a forum that only played mafia-games (not mafiascum). Sometimes there were games were 5 posts/gameday would have seen as Sorian-level activity and even two posts was completely normal
. So it could work.YesNOnoNOYes
Member
hahahahahahah
Nothing official yet. We are all waiting for crabbypants to return in all of his glory~
Oh good point. It will be good to have a break between the 3.5 games and 4 games too.
How dare you
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let's murder all of the other flava >
poor soyuri and burbs XD you both are so naturally pro-town in the early days that you generate so much heat on to yourselves :x
i told burbs in the dead thread, the VERY MOMENT he lives to D3 he is going to draw SO MUCH suspicion for not dying and then would subsequently get lynched straightaway
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awesome show, I'm on Season 3 right now. A forum game could take parts from Genius Game, and the show it's inspired from, Liar Game.
The first round could be 'minority rule' game, where people PM the mod to be on side A or side B. The side with the most people are eliminated. The remaining people continue to play this game until there's only 1 person left.
Another round could be that animal eating game (don't really know the name) shown in Genius Game. People are given a different animal, that has it's own win conditions, and can eat and be eaten by other certain animals. These people can PM the moderator to move to 1 of four different locations. If they share a location with an animal that can eat them, they lose.
I don't know, something like that. It's a cool idea Haly.
edit: Oh yeah the game could have also a garnet system. Maybe everyone starts with 1 garnet. The winner(s) of each game gets more garnets as a reward. These garnets can be donated to different players. Or they can be traded as a form of a contract. Such as "join side B in the minority game and I'll give you 2 of my garnets". If this contract is broken, there's a heavy penalty, like losing 10 garnets. People who are ultimately eliminated from each round loses all their garnets, and it's put into the next round's garnet winnings.
People could use these garnets to buy items that could help them in the game, or something, I don't know.
If we are going to have a bit of this conversation now then I'd like to add something. I don't think WHY you made the win condition different was the issue but more WHEN you did it. Town was on a straight trajectory to lynching another despair player and at that point, with only one despair player left, the two win conditions would have been exactly the same anyway. I, personally, thought the timing of your announcement was bad and I would have just let the old win condition sit in place. Only changing it if they happened to activate the SK then the changing of the win condition could have been a natural consequence of a neutral entering the game.
As it stood, there were two despair left so the difference between the two win conditions was only one body (in one scenario, it had to be 2 despair vs. 0 hope and in another it had to be 2 despair vs. 1 hope) and that one body would have been removed very quickly (honestly, with the old win condition, you could have just endgame'd the last hope player without going into a new day phase).
I think the rule change caused some people to read in between the lines and I know there was nothing to be found there but people are going to naturally attribute that to you if they think they found a reason for why you did it.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but this is why it turned out this way, ultimately. People trying to find hidden motivations and meanings in something that would was intended to just speed things along. I didn't have the foresight to see how it would affect the game, but the sum of it was what you said here.
I was just trying to cut things down a phase, and ultimately, I probably could have done this without even announcing the change. I couldn't have foreseen that Makai would start piecing these two things together, but that was ultimately a mistake.
The why is the entire point of this conversation, though.