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[GamePnoy74]

So I've been training for the Chicago Marathon, on 9/3 I was attempting a 20-mile training run that day but suffered hip bursitis after about mile 8 and had to stop, though I was still like 1.5 miles away from my car and had to walk it.

Fast forward to today and I haven't run since then. For the time being I've just been mostly doing body strength exercises in the gym (push-ups, plank, dips, pull-ups, air squat/goblet squats, stretching, foam roll, etc). I did a 25+-mile flat road road bike ride yesterday (9/10) and I can still feel a slight tinge in my hip. I'm planning to run 5k this Wednesday to see where I'm at.

That said, I'm figuring out what to do for the remaining weeks until the marathon on 10/8:
- if ok, jump right into a 20-miler this weekend and have a 3-week taper, or...
- build up the distance to a 20-miler the weekend after and have a 2-week taper, or...
- skip the long runs, recover and re-build slowly and just go into a 3-week taper

Longest run I've done so far was an 18-mile hill/trail run/jog/walk in mid-August.

Any suggestions...?

Spoiler

I'm not fast at all, with previous marathons in the 4:30-4:50 range...I'm not looking at a PR this time around as well ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Fistwell]

But race day is race day. A 90 minute half is fast and hard, going out doing that on your own is serious stuff. You'll have the taper on your side and on race day you'll be all over it. I reckon if you ease in for a couple of miles and and do 94/95ish for the first half you'll be in well under 3:15. Good luck!

Thanks for the kind words. Great time on that semi a cple of weeks ago btw!

That said, I'm figuring out what to do for the remaining weeks until the marathon on 10/8:
- if ok, jump right into a 20-miler this weekend and have a 3-week taper, or...
- build up the distance to a 20-miler the weekend after and have a 2-week taper, or...
- skip the long runs, recover and re-build slowly and just go into a 3-week taper

Longest run I've done so far was an 18-mile hill/trail run/jog/walk in mid-August.

Any suggestions...?

Tough to say. If you're still sore, too much too quick may be the end of you, although that depends on a lot of factors obviously, in particular how old/young. On the flip side, it takes you about 3 weeks to reap the physiological benefits from a long run, so there is not much point to a 20 miler 2 weeks out. It's a tough situation. I would go back out and increase mileage steadily, see how far I could run this weekend without pushing it (run on a 4 or 5K loop, bail if it gets bad). I'd build up mileage this week and next, then depending on how far I got and how I feel, would either cut back on the last 2 weeks (if I built it up to something reasonably big) or just keep it steady (if I did not build it up much and feel fresh). But yeah, it's a tough situation.

Take it easy on race day! Good luck!

 

[GamePnoy74]

Tough to say. If you're still sore, too much too quick may be the end of you, although that depends on a lot of factors obviously, in particular how old/young. On the flip side, it takes you about 3 weeks to reap the physiological benefits from a long run, so there is not much point to a 20 miler 2 weeks out. It's a tough situation. I would go back out and increase mileage steadily, see how far I could run this weekend without pushing it (run on a 4 or 5K loop, bail if it gets bad). I'd build up mileage this week and next, then depending on how far I got and how I feel, would either cut back on the last 2 weeks (if I built it up to something reasonably big) or just keep it steady (if I did not build it up much and feel fresh). But yeah, it's a tough situation.

Take it easy on race day! Good luck!

Thanks for the tips! But yeah it sucks...this is the worst time to get an injury while training for a marathon, having to skip all the long runs and hope for the best.

I'm in my early 40s by the way, been running marathons for the past 4 years. Next year's LA Marathon might be my last one, planning to focus more on cycling and powerlifting (these two mix like oil and water lol) and maybe an occasional half in the mix after.

 

[parrotbeak]

Searched for a thread and was surprised not to find one. Didn't want to start a thread for it so just posting here.

http://pascackvalley.dailyvoice.com...an-identified-as-marathon-masturbator/721170/

 

[Fistwell]

I mean, I like running and runners as much as the next guy, but... not gonna lie, that's one weeeeird kink.

 

[parrotbeak]

I just think you should be running a marathon at the same time if you're going to get the title "Marathon Masturbator"

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Who was it who said running in the rain was great? It's not its complete bullshit.

 

[Fistwell]

I'd say depends on the rain? When it's hot and you get a light refreshing drizzle it's heavenly. When it's cold and it starts pouring it's miserable. I've been on the receiving end of both.

I just think you should be running a marathon at the same time if you're going to get the title "Marathon Masturbator"

... got a nice ring to it. Is there a Guiness world record for this yet? Someone call the London marathon!

 

[Fisico]

Who was it who said running in the rain was great? It's not its complete bullshit.

It is most of the time, in summer, fall and spring unless it's really pouring.
In Winter if you're not properly equiped it can end up as a freezing hell, but otherwise it's ok.

Ideal weather for running for me would be a 12-15° with rain.

 

[BrassDragon]

Well, I really messed up my foot by running a half marathon with an injury: stress fracture. Now I'll be stewing for a while without running and no marathon this year.

Guess race fever won from common sense... don't do this, GAF.

 

[Fistwell]

Sucks, sry to read this. What's the recovery time?

 

[BrassDragon]

Sucks, sry to read this. What's the recovery time?

Cheers... Should be okay in 6 weeks. I'll also be chained to a desk at work (because it started with a work injury and they're not taking chances)... on the bright side, I'll be getting a lot more game time in.

 

[Fistwell]

Is some spinning or cycling an option at some point? I mean, rest and a big reset is nice too, but... I think I wouldn't know what to do with myself lol.

 

[Duebrithil]

Well, I really messed up my foot by running a half marathon with an injury: stress fracture. Now I'll be stewing for a while without running and no marathon this year.

Guess race fever won from common sense... don't do this, GAF.

Sorry to hear this, hope you can get back on your feet soon.

Is some spinning or cycling an option at some point? I mean, rest and a big reset is nice too, but... I think I wouldn't know what to do with myself lol.

This. Maybe even swimming or rowing?

 

[Fusion Pizza]

I signed up to a Sprint Triathalon in December. Never done a Triathlon before. Uhhhh Start running lots right lol?

I have access to a pool and I have a bike etc, any points or tips from anyone? Please?

 

[Red_taiyaki]

I signed up to a Sprint Triathalon in December. Never done a Triathlon before. Uhhhh Start running lots right lol?

I have access to a pool and I have a bike etc, any points or tips from anyone? Please?

Is it an open water or swimming pool-based tri? If it's open water, I HIGHLY recommend practicing/training in some. With proper precautions of course!

I tried training for one, then discovered I now have an irrational fear of open water even though I can swim laps for days in a pool. HUZZAH

 

[Gemüsestäbchen]

Did a race last night - wanted to get that 6th 10K race / one per month in, probably last of the summer season as I'll be doing the half-marathon next month.

April: 00:54:24
May: 00:55:10
June: 00:54:29
July: 00:58:14
August: 00:57:54
September: 00:53:55

Coincidentally, was the same race April as Sept., must be a fast track?
I'm really happy with this time - my new PB! - and progression - goes to show... Soon as the weather turns cooler, running is waaay easier! haha

Now getting that mileage up to the half-marathon - pretty hyped!

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

7 miles without stopping! I'd planned to go further for the 8 mile mark, but doing that without stopping was pretty cool.

 

[Red_taiyaki]

7 miles without stopping! I'd planned to go further for the 8 mile mark, but doing that without stopping was pretty cool.

Congrats!!

 

[Gemüsestäbchen]

7 miles without stopping! I'd planned to go further for the 8 mile mark, but doing that without stopping was pretty cool.

Well done!

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Well done!

Congrats!!

Thanks you guys. Still trying to catch up with you lot!

 

[Fusion Pizza]

Is it an open water or swimming pool-based tri? If it's open water, I HIGHLY recommend practicing/training in some. With proper precautions of course!

I tried training for one, then discovered I now have an irrational fear of open water even though I can swim laps for days in a pool. HUZZAH

It's open water, I've plenty of experience swimming in big bodies of water but I'm planning on going down to the event site and checking it out.

 

[Gemüsestäbchen]

Thanks you guys. Still trying to catch up with you lot!

I was running 1hour and change 10Ks a year ago, it's just investing the time in and building that strength, you can do it

 

[Red_taiyaki]

Thanks you guys. Still trying to catch up with you lot!

Keep it up!! I remember when just being able to run six miles seemed like a lot, still does actually haha. That said, you'll get to where you want to go as long as you're consistent.

Anything in particular that you're training for?

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Keep it up!! I remember when just being able to run six miles seemed like a lot, still does actually haha. That said, you'll get to where you want to go as long as you're consistent.

Anything in particular that you're training for?

Just for fitness and losing weight.

 

[LostMyNarbles]

Anybody have recommendations for a water bottle that keeps drinks cold for a long (IE a few hours) amount of time? Despite being Fall it feels like it keeps getting hotter and hotter here and I had a 90-degree run that nearly killed me so I want to look for a water bottle. I saw this one on Amazon and it has great reviews, but Amazon reviews tend to be a little iffy.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010W0I7O8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[tmarg]

Anybody have recommendations for a water bottle that keeps drinks cold for a long (IE a few hours) amount of time? Despite being Fall it feels like it keeps getting hotter and hotter here and I had a 90-degree run that nearly killed me so I want to look for a water bottle. I saw this one on Amazon and it has great reviews, but Amazon reviews tend to be a little iffy.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010W0I7O8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Those vacuum bottles work, but I'm not sure I'd want to run with one.

 

[mdsfx]

22 miles done today averaging 8:44/mi, but it was rough. I didn't have 23 in me. I was fine until I hit 15, then my body decided it didn't like running anymore.

I'm trying to figure out why that was so much harder than my 20-mile run and the only two factors were not eating a banana (or anything) today before heading out and that the weather was 15° warmer and sunny.

Welp, either way it's done and I just hope I've trained enough to have a good experience on raceday in 3 weeks.

 

[barnone]

Where do yall buy running shorts at a good price? I will pay for good quality. Last time i purchased was Nike and I've been using these for 7 years!

I wear mens US Size 34 jeans, and online I've seen shorts range from Medium to XXL for me. Should I just go buy in store at Dicks?

Thanks yall!

 

[Fistwell]

22 miles done today averaging 8:44/mi, but it was rough. I didn't have 23 in me. I was fine until I hit 15, then my don't decided it didn't like running anymore.

I'm trying to figure out why that was so much harder than my 20-mile run and the only two factors were not eating a banana (or anything) today before heading out and that the weather was 15° warmer and sunny.

Welp, either way it's done and I just hope I've trained enough to have a good experience on raceday in 3 weeks.

Could be many things, tired, coming down with something, etc. But sounds like you were running out of gas. The average guy has around 20 miles of glycogen in their leg muscles. At 22 miles with no food prior, not completely shocking you'd end up on empty. Good experience to scrape against the wall a bit, now you know how it feels like.

Enjoy the taper! (I know I will!!)

 

[mdsfx]

Could be many things, tired, coming down with something, etc. But sounds like you were running out of gas. The average guy has around 20 miles of glycogen in their leg muscles. At 22 miles with no food prior, not completely shocking you'd end up on empty. Good experience to scrape against the wall a bit, now you know how it feels like.

Enjoy the taper! (I know I will!!)

It was quite the experience. Next time I'm eating something no matter what. And yep, I'm all about the taper!

 

[GamePnoy74]

I'm deferring my entry to Chicago for next year...long story short my hip still hasn't recovered. =(

With flight and hotel already booked this runcation has now become a foodie trip lol =)

 

[Fisico]

22 miles done today averaging 8:44/mi, but it was rough. I didn't have 23 in me. I was fine until I hit 15, then my body decided it didn't like running anymore.

I'm trying to figure out why that was so much harder than my 20-mile run and the only two factors were not eating a banana (or anything) today before heading out and that the weather was 15° warmer and sunny.

Welp, either way it's done and I just hope I've trained enough to have a good experience on raceday in 3 weeks.

I would never run that long without eating extra before!

My personal rule is
10-15k : Eating as usual no extra
15+ : Eating extra
Half : Eating extra + eating during running
Marathon : Eating even more extra days before, before, eating during running

 

[panda-zebra]

Urgh, so it's this 24 hour race on Saturday. I've not got anything prepared, only a shopping list of 5 items, 3 of which are different kinds of fruit and the others are water and gum lol

If it rains I'm fucked, I don't have a waterproof jacket. I only have 1 comfy pair of shoes, the rest are mostly super light racing flats that wouldn't last a couple of hours on a trail. I don't even know where the event is, just the county it's in, and will be arriving very last minute as I don't sleep well away from my own bed. Probably have to get up at 4am.

So not so much a matter of what could go wrong, but if anything at all might go right. But whatevs, sure it'll be "fun".

 

[Red_taiyaki]

Urgh, so it's this 24 hour race on Saturday. I've not got anything prepared, only a shopping list of 5 items, 3 of which are different kinds of fruit and the others are water and gum lol

If it rains I'm fucked, I don't have a waterproof jacket. I only have 1 comfy pair of shoes, the rest are mostly super light racing flats that wouldn't last a couple of hours on a trail. I don't even know where the event is, just the county it's in, and will be arriving very last minute as I don't sleep well away from my own bed. Probably have to get up at 4am.

So not so much a matter of what could go wrong, but if anything at all might go right. But whatevs, sure it'll be "fun".

YOLO.

Also, good luck! 24 hours of racing seems like way more than I'd ever consider doing. Now granted, I also never previously thought I'd ever run a full so there is that to consider...

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

Experimented running with a metronome set to 180 BPM and boy does it feel fast and awkward. It was just for fun, but has anyone done this before to work on cadence?

 

[Zoe]

Experimented running with a metronome set to 180 BPM and boy does it feel fast and awkward. It was just for fun, but has anyone done this before to work on cadence?

I haven't done it yet, but I definitely want to try. I'd like to set it to music though.

Does anybody know any programs that figure out the BPM of several songs at once?

 

[Duebrithil]

I haven't done it yet, but I definitely want to try. I'd like to set it to music though.

Does anybody know any programs that figure out the BPM of several songs at once?

I followed this guide: http://fellrnr.com/wiki/Remixing_Music_For_Running, but had to search for an alternative download link for the BPM Analyser, since the one linked there is down.

 

[midramble]

Experimented running with a metronome set to 180 BPM and boy does it feel fast and awkward. It was just for fun, but has anyone done this before to work on cadence?

Is running at 180 bpm really a thing that works? I haven't really read/found the studies on it.

 

[Fistwell]

Is running at 180 bpm really a thing that works? I haven't really read/found the studies on it.

Some people swear by it.

 

[Fisico]

Experimented running with a metronome set to 180 BPM and boy does it feel fast and awkward. It was just for fun, but has anyone done this before to work on cadence?

How long can you keep up with 180BPM?

Looking at my older stats from 2 years ago I used to always run at 100% for my training, 30-40mn with most of it above 180BPM
I then began to run longer distances at an easier pace (with others) and my race pace kept improving so I never went back to that kind of training.

@panda-zebra : Lol so many red flags you're setting up yourself and you still go with an happy go lucky attitude for what it is an incredible feat, I am honestly amazed!

 

[Fistwell]

@panda-zebra : Lol so many red flags you're setting up yourself and you still go with an happy go lucky attitude for what it is an incredible feat, I am honestly amazed!

I suspect he is looking for any excuse to get away from the cruel, cruel mistress that is destiny 2.

 

[panda-zebra]

A weekend away from Destiny 2 and not getting that final chest piece I need to make a number go one higher than it sits at is just what I need.

Not planning on running much of it, if I have to stay upright and moving for 24 hours it's going to be a new form of jeffing: walk 4 miles, crawl one, repeat.

 

[Duebrithil]

A weekend away from Destiny 2 and not getting that final chest piece I need to make a number go one higher than it sits at is just what I need.

Not planning on running much of it, if I have to stay upright and moving for 24 hours it's going to be a new form of jeffing: walk 4 miles, crawl one, repeat.

Get a Vita and remote play the hell out of D2 while you run

 

[panda-zebra]

Get a Vita and remote play the hell out of D2 while you run

haha last weekend I probably would have considered that. Need to form a RunGAF fireteam soon.

 

[Fistwell]

RunGAF fireteam

Doubt we have the manpower for the raid (unless we find 3 more). Done NF on main and alt but happy to run it again if of interest (still need to do the rat pack thing, although this is not the NF to do that), or anything else really. Except trials... not big on trials.

 

[Fisico]

Managed my "big" training pre-marathon earlier today, didn't push too much and it went well, 37km of bike in 1h and right after (triathlon style) 13.75km running in one hour.

Good feeling overall as I didn't really push myself, never went above 140 BPM during bike, and went steadily from 155 to 175 while running (I started at 13.2km/h and increased steadily up to 14.4km/h before increasing dramatically up to 16.5km/h on the last 5mn for fun)

Makes me even more sad that I wasn't able to do my olympic distance triathlon a few months ago because of an injury, really like this combination of bike and running

Spoiler

swimming is hell though ->

A bit more than 6 weeks to go before the race, can't wait.

 

[Fistwell]

Managed my "big" training pre-marathon earlier today, didn't push too much and it went well, 37km of bike in 1h and right after (triathlon style) 13.75km running in one hour.

Good feeling overall as I didn't really push myself, never went above 140 BPM during bike, and went steadily from 155 to 175 while running (I started at 13.2km/h and increased steadily up to 14.4km/h before increasing dramatically up to 16.5km/h on the last 5mn for fun)

Sounds solid, nice work. Had that kind of key workout last weekend, three hours running, first 2 easy (~5min/Km), last hour at goalish pace (ended up around 4:24min/Km avg, aiming at 4:20 to 4:30 on race day depending on feels). Showing myself I could sustain the pace on tired legs was a boost to confidence, even though I started fading towards the end a bit. One week after time trialing a semi, with other workouts sprinkled in and unusually long (for me) weekly mileage, I definitely felt it the next cple of days. Now walking the tight rope of getting enough taper rest while keeping enough intensity to stay (or get!) sharp. Running's complicated.

 

[kamakazi5]

What is the best way to calculate what my max/average HR should be? I bought a HR monitor and feel like I'm staying way too high. For example, my last run where I didn't really hold back, my max HR was 189 and my average was 169 with 50% of the time being over 170. I just don't feel that is healthy although I did only begin running consistently within the last couple of weeks. My overall health isn't terrible although I have high blood pressure which is purely genetic. I take medication for it.

My last run was yesterday and I decided to do my best to keep my HR lower. Anytime I went over 170, I would just walk briskly until my HR went under 150 and then restart again. I ran ~2.5 miles and had to stop like this 10 times. This kept my average HR to 159.

Also, it seems to take forever for my HR to come back down to normal. My resting HR is around 75 but it jumps up very fast into the upper 90's with minimal exertion and after running stays in the 90's even 45 minutes later.

 

[Fistwell]

What is the best way to calculate what my max/average HR should be? I bought a HR monitor and feel like I'm staying way too high. For example, my last run where I didn't really hold back, my max HR was 189 and my average was 169 with 50% of the time being over 170. I just don't feel that is healthy although I did only begin running consistently within the last couple of weeks. My overall health isn't terrible although I have high blood pressure which is purely genetic. I take medication for it.

My last run was yesterday and I decided to do my best to keep my HR lower. Anytime I went over 170, I would just walk briskly until my HR went under 150 and then restart again. I ran ~2.5 miles and had to stop like this 10 times. This kept my average HR to 159.

Also, it seems to take forever for my HR to come back down to normal. My resting HR is around 75 but it jumps up very fast into the upper 90's with minimal exertion and after running stays in the 90's even 45 minutes later.

There are many factors to consider, the first of which being that I'm not a health professional, so please don't die or sue or any combination thereof!

Next point is: A lot of HR monitors are on and off wonky. Then, also keep in mind that your HBR fluctuates with different factors, over different time-scales (slow to fast): fitness (cardio-vascular and otherwise), medical condition(s), fatigue, physical exertion, stress.

You can find your max HBR by running really hard (genius insight. You're welcome). I think a typical test involves running laps at increasing pace, for enough time, till you can't even. I'm sure you can google the specifics.

My advice though (again: not a professional!): Don't bother. You just started running, your body will change, adjust and adapt dramatically, if you stick with it. For now, if I were you, I'd run by feels. Don't overdo things on a given run, if you feel like it's a little much, slow down. Don't run too many days in a row at first, give your body time to rest, recover, and adapt. Keep an eye on the HR monitor for reference, to see what it looks like, but I'd encourage you to trust your own feeling of exertion more than your HRM.

Don't die!