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[LaunchpadMcQ]

How would they know about both switches? If there's a big switch on top of yours then your switch should be hidden to virtually everyone.

Oh, I see what you're saying. You're correct, but I guess it would really depend on the role. If a role cop got a name from a seat, and then the player who was in that seat at the end of Day 1 was dead at the start of Day 2 and flipped, then they would know that their target had been switched.

 

[Ourobolus]

What are you expecting will happen on D2 then, Launch?

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

What are you expecting will happen on D2 then, Launch?

It's less of an expectation than a prediction, but I don't think any of us will be in the same seats we're in right now.

 

[Timeaisis]

I wasn't confused about the switching stuff until reading the last like 10 posts. Are you guys saying there's a switch at night that affects the actions then ANOTHER switch before the day phase happens?

Essentially the first switch is just a big PR blackbox, while the next one causes a new map for D2? Assuming a second one even occurs.

 

[Bronx-Man]

I can't tell if this is naivety, since I'm assuming if you're here you've been in at least one game of mafia, but it's pretty obvious the only ones who should be able to blindly accept drip fed roleclaims at face value would be mafia because they know who is on their team.

So, my question is: are you just being naive or do you believe you have nothing to fear?

Naivety.

 

[Ourobolus]

It's less of an expectation than a prediction, but I don't think any of us will be in the same seats we're in right now.

A lot of people seem to be hinging on the fact that PRs can only A) affect people at their table or B) affect adjacent people. Sure, Launch may have a one-shot swap role, but other than that, there has to be something that moves us, or else at some point we're just in a stalemate due to proximity.

 

[Ourobolus]

A lot of people seem to be hinging on the fact that PRs can only A) affect people at their table or B) affect adjacent people. Sure, Launch may have a one-shot swap role, but other than that, there has to be something that moves us, or else at some point we're just in a stalemate due to proximity.

Although, thinking about it more, I guess it could end up with voting rather than PRs, but still - it seems a little odd if we're static throughout the game. Regardless, I expect that D2 will bring more to light than us just blindly guessing.

 

[Xamtheking]

Yes guys, I have indeed been quiet today.
That's because I don't have anything of value to share IMHO, aside from a theory I am currently keeping quiet about as if I'm right about it, scum might stand to take advantage of. I could be wrong (and I probably am) but I'd rather not take the risk.

 

[CzarTim]

vote: SalvaPot

Things are slow, right now I'm okay with a salva, nin, or gry lynch for the map stuff.

 

[SalvaPot]

All right, I am finally back at my computer, lets see if I can recall everything I wanted to point out.

So, first of all, Launchpad. I don't think you are scum.

Unvote.

BUT I do think you have an ulterior motive for your revelation other than "Its best to get it out of the way for the benefit of town" Let's start by saying your role IS extremely powerful and COULD be very useful to town, here is why.

You can't be blocked. Lynching you will still get your action to happen. Your role has extreme priority. That pretty much means that as long as you are alive during the day, you can make a difference.

But here is the thing, I think your role is also NOT vital for town. You are not obligated to use your role and said role is a one shot, so once used you are a regular townie. Or even better, if you never use your role, you are essentially a regular townie. Sometimes been a regular townie is much better than having a role that makes early information confusing that could pretty much derail the whole game.

Your role could have been used late in the game to protect townies AND deter scum plans more effectively, especially if its limited to a single table. I can easily see a situation where a PR is forced to claim (Maybe because he was about to be lynched, maybe because he is too hasty, maybe because he has valuable information) and somehow we don't have protective roles, or maybe we don't know if we have them in the first place (Rare, there is always some kind of protective role), but let's imagine we as usual lynch the doctor in day 1. Now your role, that you can activate without any risk of getting blocked, is going to effectively protect this player who would usually be dead by the next day.

But the fact that you use it now, at a time where scums are pretty much ini mini miny mo mode, makes it... well, mostly a waste. Any information we could have get is going to be met with doubt, that is how strong your ability is.

Oh, and here is another thing I dislike... Why are you giving us "theories" about how your role works? Its your role, for gods sake, I reaaaally doubt you didn't try to ask Retro exactly how it works. Priority, effects, when it hits, how it affects other actions. If you don't have an idea of how it works, then how are we supposed to interpret what happened during the night? It won't be confusing, it would be indecipherable.

And if retro doesn't give you specific information of how it works, then this game is far more bastard than I was expecting.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

memcache error, apparantly only some were affected (crimson, you&me )

My Gaf was down too, but only last night... :/

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

All right, I am finally back at my computer, lets see if I can recall everything I wanted to point out.

So, first of all, Launchpad. I don't think you are scum.

Unvote.

BUT I do think you have an ulterior motive for your revelation other than "Its best to get it out of the way for the benefit of town" Let's start by saying your role IS extremely powerful and COULD be very useful to town, here is why.

You can't be blocked. Lynching you will still get your action to happen. Your role has extreme priority. That pretty much means that as long as you are alive during the day, you can make a difference.

But here is the thing, I think your role is also NOT vital for town. You are not obligated to use your role and said role is a one shot, so once used you are a regular townie. Or even better, if you never use your role, you are essentially a regular townie. Sometimes been a regular townie is much better than having a role that makes early information confusing that could pretty much derail the whole game.

Your role could have been used late in the game to protect townies AND deter scum plans more effectively, especially if its limited to a single table. I can easily see a situation where a PR is forced to claim (Maybe because he was about to be lynched, maybe because he is too hasty, maybe because he has valuable information) and somehow we don't have protective roles, or maybe we don't know if we have them in the first place (Rare, there is always some kind of protective role), but let's imagine we as usual lynch the doctor in day 1. Now your role, that you can activate without any risk of getting blocked, is going to effectively protect this player who would usually be dead by the next day.

But the fact that you use it now, at a time where scums are pretty much ini mini miny mo mode, makes it... well, mostly a waste. Any information we could have get is going to be met with doubt, that is how strong your ability is.

Oh, and here is another thing I dislike... Why are you giving us "theories" about how your role works? Its your role, for gods sake, I reaaaally doubt you didn't try to ask Retro exactly how it works. Priority, effects, when it hits, how it affects other actions. If you don't have an idea of how it works, then how are we supposed to interpret what happened during the night? It won't be confusing, it would be indecipherable.

And if retro doesn't give you specific information of how it works, then this game is far more bastard than I was expecting.

So, Salva your saying you don't think Launch is Scum but at the same time you think he's lying about his power? I know it's Gafia. I'm absolutely pro not trusting anyone unless it is somehow confirmed but I still think it's odd that you're trying to make such a strong case about making Launch seem implausible here.

Even more suspicious is the fact that you do recognize how beneficial this action would be for town but yet you are trying to keep him from using it. I still believe that this seat-switching-thingy would mess up with Scum big time and so Scum will be the once having an disadvantage here... So why would a good old townie act like you just did??

I think Retro mentioned at the beginning that an updated map will always be shown at the beginning of the day phase. So I guess there is no doubt that switching is real. And I also would guess that either Launch has more than one shot or there are other switchers like him. If there are more, since Launch outed himself the other switchers would now know that they can keep their power for later occasions or something.

So that's that for now. Unlike others I didn't have on on my Scum-dar so far. I know you were one of those who started the map discussion but it was at the beginning of the day phase and we had to start talking about something... but this post just struck me the wrong way.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Also:

Unvote

Ouro you're off the hook Revenge time is over ^___^

 

[roytheone]

Oh, and here is another thing I dislike... Why are you giving us "theories" about how your role works? Its your role, for gods sake, I reaaaally doubt you didn't try to ask Retro exactly how it works. Priority, effects, when it hits, how it affects other actions. If you don't have an idea of how it works, then how are we supposed to interpret what happened during the night? It won't be confusing, it would be indecipherable.

And if retro doesn't give you specific information of how it works, then this game is far more bastard than I was expecting.

Eh, he mostly has theories about how his role works with potentially other roles, and he can't really ask Retro about that, now can he?

 

[Ty4on]

Eh, he mostly has theories about how his role works with potentially other roles, and he can't really ask Retro about that, now can he?

Of course he can, he just won't get an answer.

I don't like the tip toeing by Launch on what his ability really does. Does it only affect actions or are the people on the table moved to a different seat? Launch seems has hinted at both.

In Dangan for example the switcher didn't switch people from one room to the other, but rather switched name plates so power roles would choose the "wrong" room. Launch's fluff is about name tags and could refer to this. One big difference though is that we have seat letters here while in Dangan each player had a static room named after them.

 

[Ourobolus]

Ty4on, it really sounds like you're splitting hairs here.

 

[Ty4on]

Ty4on, it really sounds like you're splitting hairs here.

I don't like that Launch is being a bit vague while at the same time making speculations (actions limited to tables, seating being scrambled) that we have no evidence for.

 

[Xamtheking]

I don't like that Launch is being a bit vague while at the same time making speculations (actions limited to tables, seating being scrambled) that we have no evidence for.

Sometimes being vague is intentional
You were in Batman, Ty4on, you know Launch would do this

 

[Ourobolus]

I don't like that Launch is being a bit vague while at the same time making speculations (actions limited to tables, seating being scrambled) that we have no evidence for.

That part, ok, sure. I'm talking about the nametag/seat thingy. It sounds like any other switching role, except it's a random assignment for the targets. I thought he was pretty clear about how it works - he triggers it, then say, BSP, takes an action against someone at the table who is sitting at...let's say seat D. Instead of it hitting her target, it randomly targets someone else at that table, because someone else was randomly assigned to seat D.

At least that's how I'm reading it - Launch correct me if I'm wrong here.

Regardless, I think we've pretty much exhausted the discussion on the effect of his power. It could be town- or scum-aligned. I've got no idea, since in theory it could beneficial and/or detrimental to both sides. I say let it ride and we'll deal with the effects on D2.

 

[Ty4on]

Sometimes being vague is intentional
You were in Batman, Ty4on, you know Launch would do this

He has already role claimed. If he is being vague on purpose he could be upfront about it and say "My power scrambles the people on one table, but I won't say how".

What Batman example are you thinking of?

 

[Xamtheking]

He has already role claimed. If he is being vague on purpose he could be upfront about it and say "My power scrambles the people on one table, but I won't say how".

What Batman example are you thinking of?

...
Harvey Bullock?
Where he didn't tell us exactly what it would do because it would make the power moot?

 

[Ourobolus]

...
Harvey Bullock?
Where he didn't tell us exactly what it would do because it would make the power moot?

To be fair, it made sense in Batman. Had scum understood the power they could have leveraged some way to make it useless. Like if a large chunk of town had voted for Camjo, all they need is for one of them, whomever has the least useful scum PR, to vote in that pile to throw suspicion on everyone in there.

 

[Ty4on]

To be fair, it made sense in Batman. Had scum understood the power they could have leveraged some way to make it useless. Like if a large chunk of town had voted for Camjo, all they need is for one of them, whomever has the least useful scum PR, to vote in that pile to throw suspicion on everyone in there.

Exactly, he hadn't made a full role claim and openly stated that he was being vague on purpose.

 

[Xamtheking]

VOTE: CzarTim
Just my thoughts as of now.
Call it a hunch, I guess.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

So I spent literally all my time yesterday playing Dark Souls and have no idea what's going on here ooops

*catches up*

 

[RetroMG]

Current Votes:

launchpadmcq (1)
robotninjahornets 115
czartim 209 (224)
salvapot 217 (360)

ourobolus (1)
bananaspaceprincess 128 (363)
bronx-man 133

roytheone (1)
terrabyte20xx 131
gryvan 146 (259)

gryvan (1)
fireblend 132

absolutbro (1)
roytheone 312

bronx-man (1)
launchpadmcq 319

salvapot (1)
czartim 359

czartim (1)
xamtheking 374

ty4on (0)
launchpadmcq 147 (319)

nin1000 (0)
czartim 258 (359)

I will be out for most of the day, but I will have my phone and will try to respond to messages as quickly as possible. If there is an urgent issue and I am not responding, please reach out to Palmer_v1 and/or Sorian.

 

[Burbeting]

VOTE: CzarTim
Just my thoughts as of now.
Call it a hunch, I guess.

Have you even mentioned CzarTim before now? Your "thoughts" and "hunch" seem to come out of nowhere. I don't really have a read on Tim (as I don't have for most of the players at the moment).

VOTE: Xamtheking

Elaborate pls, until then I'll treat that vote as fake activity.

 

[Burbeting]

Today has been very very slow, which is sort of understadandable since we haven't had much to go for yet. The main topics of interest have been the map mechanic, and then Launch's claim that is partly tied to the former topic as well.

Ty4on mentions that the reactions to Launch's claim seem very positive. That's actually an interesting point to make. Only scum would know at the moment for sure if Launch is actually scum or not. It's a pretty standard scum tactic to quickly jump on to a town's role claim, and say that they 100% believe it. This would give the scum some perks like...

a) Getting some good-will from the claiming townie.
b) Some town-points of believing the claimer once said player flips.

Hmm.

 

[Xamtheking]

Have you even mentioned CzarTim before now? Your "thoughts" and "hunch" seem to come out of nowhere. I don't really have a read on Tim (as I don't have for most of the players at the moment).

VOTE: Xamtheking

Elaborate pls, until then I'll treat that vote as fake activity.

VOTE: Extremely Attractive Bear Who Likes To Eat Fairies
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I think people who are going after people because they talked about the map are suspicious, personally. Normally, speculation about stuff like this is fine, at least in the other games I've played, but now apparently it's taboo to some people here. Disclaimer being I have not read either AC or DR, so I don't know if this is just a repeat of what happened there.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Ok, let me set the record straight. I'm speculating a lot on the particulars of my ability, namely how Retro determines where abilities land and whether there's going to be a standard switch at the start of every day phase. I don't want to propagate things that could be untrue, so I'll just leave things like this. I'll limit my comments to things I know are part of my role, which is that I can randomize the targets of one table.

I wasn't confused about the switching stuff until reading the last like 10 posts. Are you guys saying there's a switch at night that affects the actions then ANOTHER switch before the day phase happens?

Essentially the first switch is just a big PR blackbox, while the next one causes a new map for D2? Assuming a second one even occurs.

Yeah, assuming the second one occurs.

All right, I am finally back at my computer, lets see if I can recall everything I wanted to point out.

So, first of all, Launchpad. I don't think you are scum.

Unvote.

BUT I do think you have an ulterior motive for your revelation other than "Its best to get it out of the way for the benefit of town" Let's start by saying your role IS extremely powerful and COULD be very useful to town, here is why.

You can't be blocked. Lynching you will still get your action to happen. Your role has extreme priority. That pretty much means that as long as you are alive during the day, you can make a difference.

But here is the thing, I think your role is also NOT vital for town. You are not obligated to use your role and said role is a one shot, so once used you are a regular townie. Or even better, if you never use your role, you are essentially a regular townie. Sometimes been a regular townie is much better than having a role that makes early information confusing that could pretty much derail the whole game.

Your role could have been used late in the game to protect townies AND deter scum plans more effectively, especially if its limited to a single table. I can easily see a situation where a PR is forced to claim (Maybe because he was about to be lynched, maybe because he is too hasty, maybe because he has valuable information) and somehow we don't have protective roles, or maybe we don't know if we have them in the first place (Rare, there is always some kind of protective role), but let's imagine we as usual lynch the doctor in day 1. Now your role, that you can activate without any risk of getting blocked, is going to effectively protect this player who would usually be dead by the next day.

But the fact that you use it now, at a time where scums are pretty much ini mini miny mo mode, makes it... well, mostly a waste. Any information we could have get is going to be met with doubt, that is how strong your ability is.

Oh, and here is another thing I dislike... Why are you giving us "theories" about how your role works? Its your role, for gods sake, I reaaaally doubt you didn't try to ask Retro exactly how it works. Priority, effects, when it hits, how it affects other actions. If you don't have an idea of how it works, then how are we supposed to interpret what happened during the night? It won't be confusing, it would be indecipherable.

And if retro doesn't give you specific information of how it works, then this game is far more bastard than I was expecting.

He's given me enough information to know how it works. There's not much to it. A lot of the things I said are assumptions about the game in general, not about my role.

Exactly, he hadn't made a full role claim and openly stated that he was being vague on purpose.

If it makes you feel any better, I am holding back a big piece of information with the same intent.

 

[Fireblend]

I'm not liking this "second round" of Launch discussion. So the thread died for a while (because of the memcache error? I was afk for a good part of yesterday so I didn't notice), but then we conveniently circled around and continued discussing Launch? I don't see there being much point to discussing his role, I actually thought it was pretty straightforward - one of our tables will be shuffled before other PRs act, and we'll see our new arrangement tomorrow (barring other seat-switching mechanics, which no doubt there will be).

I have my vote on Gryvan, and I think I will be keeping it there. His only big post so far was a "table layout theories" collection that sounded like a mix of obvious and odd ways PRs could target. Then he quoted that post almost immediately after and some of the others people were posting to provide a "table theories summary". Other than that, it's all been fluff or uncertainty (couldn't decide who to target between Salva and Roy, said he wasn't sure if he believed Launch, etc).

Gryvan, I'd like to see you place a vote. Even if your first vote was semi-random between Salva and Roy (has anyone else voted for an adjacent player so far?), I would've expected you to replace it when you removed it, not just keep it to yourself.

Fake edit: I may have missed it, but what was your rationale for reducing your pool of first-vote candidates to your seat neighbors?

 

[Ourobolus]

Gotcha, my mistake then. I was confusing your speculation for something more hard and fast.

 

[Burbeting]

Full claim from Launch is in post 291. He made soft claims and slowly telling his powers before this, which makes the analysis of people's reactions bit less worthy to analyse on, but we don't have much else material go on at the moment.

If scum wants to jump on those good-will points, they usually want to react pretty fast for the claim (see: Makai reacting to my claim in Woof2). So these are the most immediate posts after Launch's full claim.

Alright, thanks Launch. One thing I am curious about: you say that if a PR target someone, it will get redirected because the seating arrangement will get switched. Does that mean that for example a cop could still figure out who he got results from by looking at the new arrangement and see who is now sitting on the seat of his original target?

Seems to be very positive reaction. The "Alright, thanks Launch" is especially suspect. But on the other hand, roy does ask about the workings of the power afterwards, so he doesn't seem inherently trusting of it.

Hmmm, that's very useful info, Launch. It's confirmation that PR actions are affected by the seating arrangement, which was pretty obvious but is nice to know. I wonder if (at least most) night actions are submitted with a seat "code" rather than with player names, in which case PRs that switch people between seats are pretty powerful, and I actually think using yours D1 was a good move since as you say it could be pretty negative for town if we didn't know beforehand.

This post from Fireblend is suspicious. Could be very easily Scum trying to gather some good-will from the claiming townie.

Hahaa so switchers are back, I guess we will see tmr if we love or hate that mechanic this time

Launchpad, you sad you can only switch one table, right? I think that kinda is an advantage for town here. Mafia will not know which table you targeted, so there is an actual chance that they end up targeting themselves!

This post is also interesting, but not as damning as Fireblend's post was, as BSP does try to figure out the role a little more.

My post in relation to Launch's claim is after BSP's. I still stand with that Scrafty as the wedding planner is bit odd decision fluff-wise, but I can buy it.

Launch's role is interesting and using it D1 might actually be the best time for it due to the general lack of information to go off. Any other day and the Town PR's would have more specific targets they want to hit while today is largely a guess.

Kalor's post does not seem to question the role claim at all really. But at the same time, I don't get the feel of someone fishing for good-will points.

After this post, two hours of Launch's claim have passed, so I don't take the posts after it as "immediate reactions". And again, he had already soft-claimed earlier, so the impact of these posts are somewhat lessned too.

 

[Fireblend]

This post from Fireblend is suspicious. Could be very easily Scum trying to gather some good-will from the claiming townie.

I trust Launch and thought he did the right thing by both using his power now and telling us what it was, there's not much to say other than that. Either we wake up tomorrow and find out he lied because the arrangement isn't as heavily modified as he said it would be, or PRs can verify they hit the people they intended somehow on both tables and then we look at him whenever they share that, or the layout we wake up to fits with his narrative and we're good for now.

 

[Ourobolus]

I trust Launch and thought he did the right thing by both using his power now and telling us what it was, there's not much to say other than that. Either we wake up tomorrow and find out he lied because the arrangement isn't as heavily modified as he said it would be, or PRs can verify they hit the people they intended somehow on both tables and then we look at him whenever they share that, or the layout we wake up to fits with his narrative and we're good for now.

I don't think this is going to be a good method of determining the effects of Launch's role...

 

[Fireblend]

I don't think this is going to be a good method of determining the effects of Launch's role...

That's why I said if/whenever they decide to share. I don't expect it to be, it was a thought.

 

[kingkitty]

At this moment, I think Scrafty is a decent candidate to impale. There was that little argument between Nin and Scrafty . Nin was acting a bit defensive, but it didn't seem to reach scum-sweat defensive. In my opinion, Scrafty threw some shade on Nin, refused to say who her scum suspect was (if not Nin), and didn't put a vote down on anyone despite promising to do so after a few hours.

Maybe Scrafty is scum who thought about throwing shade here and there, but didn't want to commit by putting down a scum suspect. Or maybe she's just town, but it's better to impale someone than to not impale at all.

vote:ScraftyDevil

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Boring

unvote

VOTE: CzarTim

 

[Burbeting]

VOTE: Extremely Attractive Bear Who Likes To Eat Fairies
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I think people who are going after people because they talked about the map are suspicious, personally. Normally, speculation about stuff like this is fine, at least in the other games I've played, but now apparently it's taboo to some people here. Disclaimer being I have not read either AC or DR, so I don't know if this is just a repeat of what happened there.

I don't think that speculating the map is inherently bad, but Scrafty did raise a valid point that it's a good smokescreen for the scum to seem active and contributive to the game, when in reality all they do is make lot of noise. For examply Gryvan, who is the most suspect due to it, has completely disappeared from the game after his lot-of-noise posts regarding the map. He hasn't even posted about Launch's claim at all.

 

[Burbeting]

I trust Launch and thought he did the right thing by both using his power now and telling us what it was, there's not much to say other than that. Either we wake up tomorrow and find out he lied because the arrangement isn't as heavily modified as he said it would be, or PRs can verify they hit the people they intended somehow on both tables and then we look at him whenever they share that, or the layout we wake up to fits with his narrative and we're good for now.

Umm... you are asking for PR's to claim tomorrow? Even if it was a suggestion, it's pretty bad case of role fishing...

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

It won't be possible, either. The only players that would know their actions got redirected would be mafia if someone dies that wasn't supposed to. Otherwise, you just have a situation of PRs getting results from or performing actions on people and not knowing who.

 

[Fireblend]

Umm... you are asking for PR's to claim tomorrow? Even if it was a suggestion, it's pretty bad case of role fishing...

I said whenever they share that, because of course it wouldn't be tomorrow.

 

[Xamtheking]

I don't think that speculating the map is inherently bad, but Scrafty did raise a valid point that it's a good smokescreen for the scum to seem active and contributive to the game, when in reality all they do is make lot of noise. For examply Gryvan, who is the most suspect due to it, has completely disappeared from the game after his lot-of-noise posts regarding the map. He hasn't even posted about Launch's claim at all.

I agree it can be a good smokescreen, and agree with you about gryvan. Salvapot (who Tim is voting for), however, has actively been here aside from just the pure map stuff.
I offer a counter-argument, however.
Scum might not want to be the frontrunners of the map discussion because they probably know at least a little more information than we do, and if they accidentally spill that information in an effort to appear townie as can be, it would backfire horrendously.

 

[SalvaPot]

So, Salva your saying you don't think Launch is Scum but at the same time you think he's lying about his power? I know it's Gafia. I'm absolutely pro not trusting anyone unless it is somehow confirmed but I still think it's odd that you're trying to make such a strong case about making Launch seem implausible here.

Even more suspicious is the fact that you do recognize how beneficial this action would be for town but yet you are trying to keep him from using it. I still believe that this seat-switching-thingy would mess up with Scum big time and so Scum will be the once having an disadvantage here... So why would a good old townie act like you just did??

I think Retro mentioned at the beginning that an updated map will always be shown at the beginning of the day phase. So I guess there is no doubt that switching is real. And I also would guess that either Launch has more than one shot or there are other switchers like him. If there are more, since Launch outed himself the other switchers would now know that they can keep their power for later occasions or something.

So that's that for now. Unlike others I didn't have on on my Scum-dar so far. I know you were one of those who started the map discussion but it was at the beginning of the day phase and we had to start talking about something... but this post just struck me the wrong way.

I'll be really disappointed if Launch is not at least partially lying about her power, because to me it would mean he just wasted it. Also you mention I want to keep him from using it. Keeping him how? He already used it, and is sounds like there is no way for him to cancel his command, so if its a 1-shot and its already in effect then there is little to no point of trying to keep him from using it.

I took the time to point all of this out, because it was me who prompt him to claim and I wanted to follow up on it, also, as others have discussed, I also find it weird how fast and easily everyone seemed to trust his claim and that is a dangerous path to walk.

Launch said recently that he not only pointed out what retro told him, but also his theories, but when explaining his role he constantly mixed them up (Or maybe I just suck at reading), but it felt, well, unnecessary. If the tables keep scrambling after the first night, then his theory that there is another player in the game will cover his ass. This is what worries me the most, all his posts are there in a way to cover his ass and give plausible explanations if something goes wrong. That is smart play for someone who wants so survive, but questionable play for someone who is playing for the benefit or town.

Anyway, I think I am done discussing launch. I'll keep an eye on him but I don't think he is dangerous, at least not yet. I'll be looking a the reactions for his claims next.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Ok caught up

Day 1 roleclaim BOY HOWDY IT'S GAFIA ALRIGHT

So I don't have any reason to disbelieve it but...ehh. I dunno. Seems weird. Best case scenario if he's not lying is the gatecrashers accidentally kill one of their own, which is preeetty good. But then that's probably the only way we can confirm it without people saying that they got switched and soft claiming, right? But then if that doesn't happen it doesn't mean he didn't use it, so...where does that leave us?

Fuck it, I ain't touching this. Like it just seems like such an inconsequential claim that I feel like digging into it is just going to create a load of noise. Bleh. I'll revisit tomorrow.

For now:

UNVOTE

 

[roytheone]

VOTE: Extremely Attractive Bear Who Likes To Eat Fairies
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I think people who are going after people because they talked about the map are suspicious, personally. Normally, speculation about stuff like this is fine, at least in the other games I've played, but now apparently it's taboo to some people here. Disclaimer being I have not read either AC or DR, so I don't know if this is just a repeat of what happened there.

We have to try and find scum. And understanding the map will probably help with that in later days, but not on day 1. For finding scum on day 1 that is useless. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't discuss the map, but if that is the only thing they do, they aren't helping at all in finding scum day 1, while still appearing to contribute. That is suspicious to me. Discussing that stuff is fine, only discussing that stuff is weird.

I agree it can be a good smokescreen, and agree with you about gryvan. Salvapot (who Tim is voting for), however, has actively been here aside from just the pure map stuff.
I offer a counter-argument, however.
Scum might not want to be the frontrunners of the map discussion because they probably know at least a little more information than we do, and if they accidentally spill that information in an effort to appear townie as can be, it would backfire horrendously.

I don't agree with your counter argument there. I think plenty of people in this game would be very capable of doing exactly that if they are scum.

I don't like how you are trying to shift suspicion from people that only discuss the map to people that call those people out with these posts. You "agreeing" with gryvan being suspicious just seems like you are trying to at least stay a bit more in the middle so that you have an out if this statement would get you heat.

 

[Xamtheking]

Roy, I'm not trying to shift everyone's suspicion, I'm just stating what I find suspect.
And I think my thinking is colored heavily because of PW, in which Scum attempted to call me out.
Additionally, the map itself is a point of conversation that, in my opinion, is a fairly good talking point simply because it's public knowledge; I don't remember anyone in PW discouraging discussion about the confirmed Townie on D1.

 

[Ourobolus]

I kinda want to hear more from

AbsolutBro
Karu
and Hyper.

Hyper especially. He's usually more active. And Karu's posted like what, twice?

 

[Xamtheking]

I kinda want to hear more from

AbsolutBro
Karu
and Hyper.

Hyper especially. He's usually more active. And Karu's posted like what, twice?

Would you say he's more hyperactive?
But I agree with that yeah, if only with the condition some of those guys might have been affected by the memcache error

 

[Ourobolus]

Would you say he's more hyperactive?
But I agree with that yeah, if only with the condition some of those guys might have been affected by the memcache error

That's true, but I think that resolved itself - I mean, I finally was able to get in.