Uh, isn't causing confusion a bad thing for us? Scum can easily hide in the confusion, and if your power fucks with investigation powers, that could end up very bad.
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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
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Uh, isn't causing confusion a bad thing for us? Scum can easily hide in the confusion, and if your power fucks with investigation powers, that could end up very bad.
Hyperactivity
Banned
anyways, QUACK, you have a choice in using d1? If so, what was your idea in doing so? did you always plan to reveal this d1? Did you target specific people?
answer whatever questions you find relevant
answer whatever questions you find relevant
Hyperactivity
Banned
Also QUACK, convince as to why we wouldn't lynch you today, barring more obvious/suspicious targets (and I mean suspicious, not d1 suspicious)
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Yeah, it's really just disruptive, but it exists as it is. It was either use it or don't. The outcome could be amazing, but realistically it'll just be confusing.
I have to use it in the day phase and it takes place in the night phase. I figured, why not get this shit out of the way. I wasn't planning on using and revealing it on day 1, but it's something to talk about.
Let me get back to you on that. Honestly, with an ability like this, it would be something you would have to weigh the benefits and consequences of.
Xamtheking
Member
we all got traumatized by batman
Suddenly a man in a beanie appeared
Did we?
The man in the beanie jumped out the window
Hyperactivity
Banned
what happened in batman?
Xamtheking
Member
Brb guys
Gonna go beat whoever this is up
He strapped a ticking bomb in himself the moment he softclaimed. Either he is a PR, a neutral, or a scum, and I dislike the claim of a one-shot, effectively making him a vanilla by claim, and there is no better security blanket than that, don't you think?. I am questioning him because it was rather unnecessary and I was not going to ignore it. If his role is bad or confusing for town as he says it should be something we should see anyway at the start of Day 2, if he is not lynched today.
So even if scum/neutral/vigilante town gets him on the night, on the morning his disruptive ability will have some kind of effect that should de public or at least visible. Otherwise there is little to no reason to tell us now. If he dies during the night, his role pm will give us the info we need to deduce it, and if he survives until Day 2, then he will be there to explain it. Either way it doesn't help him survive that much after that unless there is more to its role than this.
It just seem like too hasty a claim.
So, can you clarify if the power could fuck up targets of PR and thus could give people wrong results? Because if it can, it will probably be good if our PR know this beforehand.
Yeah, the soft claim was what I meant when I said he strapped a ticking time bomb onto himself. It still doesn't change the fact that this would be a very weird play if he is scum, basically pointing the spotlight on him for no real reason on day 1, the day people get lynched for the smallest of things. Sure, Blarg did it in love boat, but Launch isn't Blarg, and I don't expect a scum Launch to do that kind of gamble.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Would you be able to help us untangle the confusion tomorrow? I mean do you know exactly what your ability does. For example, do you know who's it gonna target (assuming it targets specific players and not all at once)
Or does your ability simply trigger an action or a chain of actions you have no control over?
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Btw, how about a Table 1 alliance??? =D =D =D ...ahh nvm. Alliances never seemed to work out that well, right?
Well, how are you? What do you think about people so far and the map discussion?Btw, how about a Table 1 alliance??? =D =D =D ...ahh nvm. Alliances never seemed to work out that well, right?
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
I'm great, thanks.
Before launchpad delivered a topic to talk about I think the map was the most obvious thing to discuss. Since we already know that we can vote for people on the other table I don't think there is more substantial stuff about it right now.
Maybe. If Launch decides to claim he might as well tell us what, if anything, his role says about the map.
What did you think about the push back to map discussions?
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
About people: Well as far as I know everyone has posted in the thread..
There are players who immediately jumped into map discussion, coming up with some wild theories.
Nin or Gryvan stick out to me here. I can't even exactly say why but it kinda seemed a little over ambition-ed to me or something. It's just a feeling, but I will keep it in mind.
Then we have the quieter players like RNH, Scrafty and Kalor. They haven't been posting a lot since the game started. Let's wait for them to come back and see what they have to say.
Not a lot of people have voted yet but I know it is still early in the day. I don't think there are players voting no lynch in this game. But correct me if I'm wrong!
There are players who immediately jumped into map discussion, coming up with some wild theories.
Nin or Gryvan stick out to me here. I can't even exactly say why but it kinda seemed a little over ambition-ed to me or something. It's just a feeling, but I will keep it in mind.
Then we have the quieter players like RNH, Scrafty and Kalor. They haven't been posting a lot since the game started. Let's wait for them to come back and see what they have to say.
Not a lot of people have voted yet but I know it is still early in the day. I don't think there are players voting no lynch in this game. But correct me if I'm wrong!
I think kingkitty is the only one who's mentioned no lynch before you. Tim kinda talked about it with his sarcastic reply to Terra saying the day one lynch would lead is to victory.
Not much voting, but also not much taking so far. I can understand gryvan being bored and wanting something to talk about.
Not much voting, but also not much taking so far. I can understand gryvan being bored and wanting something to talk about.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
If it's true what he says and Mafia won't be able to manipulate or use his action I agree that he can just tell us what it does.
I also think he said it can only be stopped by a lynch, right? This means even if Mafia decides to NK him the action will take place... So just tell us already Launchie!!!
What we could discuss here is if it's wise to force him to tell us or if it's save to wait and see what's going to happen tmr.
About the push back to map discussion. I am temped to throw theories out in the open myself but I don't because I still think it doesn't get us anywhere. So, yes, Scum could hide there. But it's D1, scum could hide everywhere right now.
I'm not Launch, but I'm guessing it won't be that disruptive to scum if they know what will happen tonight. The same for power roles ofc.
I think with map discussions scum is more likely to know more than the average townie. Again also the case with power roles, but in Dangan it became clear that keeping people in the dark helped scum more than town.
As a clarification, nobody really knew how the map worked on D1 in Dangan before they got the list of people they saw during the first night. I'm guessing that people in this game have roles that directly affect it.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I'm free from my responsibilities for the week and ready to raise some hell, darlings.
My general thoughts are as follows; try to keep up.
No exceptionally strong candidates have surfaced thus far, but I'll likely place a vote on who I feel is most suspicious in a few hours if nothing comes up before then.
My general thoughts are as follows; try to keep up.
- Nin seems rather eager to become an authority on what can and can't happen and that rubs me the wrong way. I always am wary of those who try and become the life of the party before the party actually starts, and this is certainly no exception.
I see no reason to go for Launch today unless he winds up saying something he shouldn't. I like a man who isn't afraid to live dangerously, and certainly he knowa that if something bad should happen due to his power, he'll be on the chopping block tomorrow.
I don't think we should spend too much time fretting about the rules until we're given a reason to care about them. Rules are important, possibly the most important things in this world, but they're also easily used as a smokescreen and that's the last thing we want, darlings.
No exceptionally strong candidates have surfaced thus far, but I'll likely place a vote on who I feel is most suspicious in a few hours if nothing comes up before then.
Would you say Nin is your top scum so far?
Re: Launch, I trust him for now. Lynching him when he might potentially clear himself as a non-negative utility overnight could mean making scum's job for them.
Otherwise, I don't think there's much of anything that immediately calls my attention. I'll probably give a second read through the thread later today since it doesn't look like there's been a ton of posts yet and provide some hopefully more meaningful thoughts.
Otherwise, I don't think there's much of anything that immediately calls my attention. I'll probably give a second read through the thread later today since it doesn't look like there's been a ton of posts yet and provide some hopefully more meaningful thoughts.
Those comments sure make me feel unconfortable. I am in no position to be any kind of leader since i just put down my thoughts on the map mechanic and then left the game.
If you want to throw shade at me at leats try harder darling
i guess she is implying that, yes
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Don't put words in my mouth, sweetheart. Narratizing isn't a good look for you.
implaying that i want to become town leader is neither
What ability? From Launch's own posts it seems like it will probably just cause confusion.
Yeah, it is also apparently one shot. Nothing about what launch said about his power screams "big asset to town".
ScraftyDevil
Banned
You can imply whatever you want from my words, dear. Doesn't change the observations themselves.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Alright, I think I've let you guys stew long enough. I'll do the full role reveal.
I'm ScraftyDevil, the Wedding Planner. I have no idea where this flavor even came from, but I'm apparently the person who chooses the seating arrangement. During the day phase, I can decide to randomize the seating arrangement of 1 table of my choice before actions are taken. The flavor is that I had already rearranged the labels on the place settings during the day phase. However, I have to do it in a hurry so I just kind of throw them around quickly. Anyone targeted will have their action redirected to another player at that table at random (I assume Retro does a new seating arrangement for my ability when I use it, based on what he's told me.) That's about all I'm told about the map function. So, you can see why this would be mutually disruptive for all parties. The outcome could be beneficial if the mafia end up accidentally using abilities on each other.
I have a theory, based on the limitations on this ability, that there may be someone else with a similar ability in the game. However, that's just a hunch and I don't know who it would be.
I don't have to use it, but I figured what better way to use it than maybe have mafia miss a kill on the first night.
No.
The latter. :|
I'm ScraftyDevil, the Wedding Planner. I have no idea where this flavor even came from, but I'm apparently the person who chooses the seating arrangement. During the day phase, I can decide to randomize the seating arrangement of 1 table of my choice before actions are taken. The flavor is that I had already rearranged the labels on the place settings during the day phase. However, I have to do it in a hurry so I just kind of throw them around quickly. Anyone targeted will have their action redirected to another player at that table at random (I assume Retro does a new seating arrangement for my ability when I use it, based on what he's told me.) That's about all I'm told about the map function. So, you can see why this would be mutually disruptive for all parties. The outcome could be beneficial if the mafia end up accidentally using abilities on each other.
I have a theory, based on the limitations on this ability, that there may be someone else with a similar ability in the game. However, that's just a hunch and I don't know who it would be.
I don't have to use it, but I figured what better way to use it than maybe have mafia miss a kill on the first night.
No.
The latter. :|
Thanks, at least thats something
Alright, thanks Launch. One thing I am curious about: you say that if a PR target someone, it will get redirected because the seating arrangement will get switched. Does that mean that for example a cop could still figure out who he got results from by looking at the new arrangement and see who is now sitting on the seat of his original target?
Hmmm, that's very useful info, Launch. It's confirmation that PR actions are affected by the seating arrangement, which was pretty obvious but is nice to know. I wonder if (at least most) night actions are submitted with a seat "code" rather than with player names, in which case PRs that switch people between seats are pretty powerful, and I actually think using yours D1 was a good move since as you say it could be pretty negative for town if we didn't know beforehand.
That seems plausible. Especially when it worked like that in Dangan. There are no obvious places for a commuter to go though.
Launch: Does your role PM or clarifications support this theory?
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Hahaa so switchers are back, I guess we will see tmr if we love or hate that mechanic this time
Launchpad, you sad you can only switch one table, right? I think that kinda is an advantage for town here. Mafia will not know which table you targeted, so there is an actual chance that they end up targeting themselves!
Launchpad, you sad you can only switch one table, right? I think that kinda is an advantage for town here. Mafia will not know which table you targeted, so there is an actual chance that they end up targeting themselves!
Hahaa so switchers are back, I guess we will see tmr if we love or hate that mechanic this time
Launchpad, you sad you can only switch one table, right? I think that kinda is an advantage for town here. Mafia will not know which table you targeted, so there is an actual chance that they end up targeting themselves!
Yeah, I definitely think this is generally in our advantage. Our pr will probably still be pretty clueless about who to target, so their targets getting switched around isn't that big of a deal, at least if investigation powers can reliably figure out who their real targets where. Scum pr on the other hand will be way more focused and working with way more information, so their targets getting switched around is worse for them.
If he's being honest, then I'm not that bothered by the move. Also smart not to mention which table is being targeted, keep the scumbros guessing. Of course, there's a small chance this could be an unnecessary bold move by scum to gain townie trust. But at the moment I feel okay not stabbing launch in the left eye socket.
I feel that Launch's claim is reasonable enough. The power could have potentially been bad for Scum (since their targeting would go haywire), but the same could be said easily for town. I have to say that having ScraftyDevil as wedding planner sounds bit odd, but it's not out of the realm of possibility at all, so I don't think it's a thread worth pursuing.