First of all, while Justice Kennedy has served as the swing vote of late, he's only been somewhat less conservative in those cases than the other four on the bench. He is by no means in the same realm as O'Connor was. Second, Justice Roberts' defense of the ACA comes with huge strings attached on the nature of the Commerce Clause and that alone doesn't really move the trendline of his court away from the dismantling of precedent when given the opportunity. In fact, it's more likely to provide cover from attacks that the court is acting politically while you get decisions like Citizens United.
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he'll never be able to catch up to Bush though. shame.
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Makes sense, since they were discriminated against in schooling, that they obviously wouldn't be able to pass the tests. It was their backroute to discrimination.
I'm questioning the people's intelligence who say shit like Obama is a Muslim Communist who is going to shut a gun shop down the street to open a gay wedding chapel for illegal immigrants though.
I mean, even Obama supporters who aren't all that bright don't go that route of fanatic conspiracy theory against his opponent. I never hear Romney is some closet Nazi sympathizer or something who is going to round up the poor in front of firing squads.
It's just ridiculous how one side is so ridiculously ignorant of everything to the extreme and the other side doesn't go NEAR that far. It gets old.
Mostly because of the preponderance of the evidence.
He doesn't absolutely have to get Ohio, but it would certainly help. I think election night is going to be very, very stressful for a lot of people, including myself.
If Obama gets Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Virgina, I'm going to sleep. If he loses one or more of those, I'm going to be sweating profusely all night, unless he's taken Florida and at least two of those top four.
Huh? Define hater. Who's to say I'm not voting for Obama, either? I'm just noting that if Romney does, in fact, win - then there will be plenty of glorious meltdowns here.
Something Wicked
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Like 2004, this is coming down to Ohio, boys and girls, and right now, it's essentially a dead heat there. It's a toss-up, and any intelligent person could have predicted this a year or more ago given the economic trends and historical political trends.
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It would require a lot of very unlikely events for Romney to win without Ohio
The reason Roberts's decision went the way it did was because Roberts's logic is based on his understanding of the Constitution. It's typically conservative, but I've never read any opinion by Roberts which is entirely specious the way Thomas's dissents often are.
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Of course, he'd probably say that anyway to aid turnout, but it's more likely than not that he's telling the truth.
Of course, he'd probably say that anyway to aid turnout, but it's more likely than not that he's telling the truth.
Obama has Ohio nearly locked up. Romney has never really led there. A few polls here and there I think have showed him close, but he's never consistently led this entire election. Add onto that Obama's huge ground game, and it's a win for him. Early voting has already start and Obama has an absolutely astounding lead already. Romney would need to win the remaining voters by like 15+ points to catch up.
Something Wicked
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One of the most Democrat influenced polls that is within the "given" margin of error shows Obama is leading in CO? I guess we should just give Obama all of Colorado's electoral votes now...
eBay Huckster
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you're no bulbo
Love the scare quotes. Think there might be some skewing going on?
How is Ohio a dead heat? The only poll that shows Romney winning is by like a .6 margin, and all the rest fall in Obama's favor.
eBay Huckster
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the only polls showing romney winning ohio are from literal shit pollsters
ARG was possibly the worst non-Zogby poll in the 2008 cycle and Gravis... I don't really need to say anything about them
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It doesn't help. The "no difference" crowd you are a part of are highly irritating with these facile remarks. At best you could say they aren't different enough-- for you. You could argue that. But when you say they're the same, you're betraying a complete ignorance of the issues. There's nothing more annoying than a self-assured person who is patently wrong.
Guess what, the country has to agree by plurality on who will be the president. That means that the candidates and their platforms are going to be representative of the current mainstream left and right platforms. That means you don't get everything you want, you little baby. You won't get half the things you want, most likely. But the only douches and turd sandwiches in an election are the ones who think elections don't have consequences.
Omegasquash
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Love that one. Pretty sure Obama took less vacation time than Bush did, but that's probably going to be bashed because even Republican's like to bash Bush these days.
Something Wicked
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Early voting generally always favors Democrats in swing-states, where as absentee voting is usually the opposite. The race is close in Ohio, despite all of the trumpeting of the Democrat bloggers in trying to make something that happens every election seem unique.
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STL here too. Can't wait to vote against Akin, but unfortunately Nate Silver has MO going red at 97.9%
He also had a sleepover with Sandusky. I'm still waiting for that tell-all.
Sure, but Obama won last time and the numbers year over year are even better this year for early voters. And, again, Romney has literally never led in the state. A state that relies that much on the auto industry really is not going to elect the guy that said "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." Sorry. You'd best start hoping for a different state, because Ohio just isn't going to flip this election cycle. There's no evidence for it yet.
Omegasquash
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Burned.
It is beyond me how this can even be the nailbiter that it's turning into. Only the most ideologically blind person would not give Obama some credit and acknowledge his achievements.
-Consistent job growth month to month-yes its smaller than we want but it's growth
-A three and a half year low for unemployment since he took office
-rebuilding of world alliances
-he's taken a hammer to Al-Qaeda and took out Bin Laden (sorry it wasn't the Bush policies it was Obama, his team, and the men and women serving the country)
-healthcare law
-student loan law
-ledbetter fair pay act
-DADT repealed
These are just a few but they are BIG things. We're looking at a pretty accomplished president here and I think this is far from being a choice between a douche and turd. Romney is both. Obama is blindly and unfairly hated by so many yet he's done a great job considering the circumstances and the obstruction. He's the president this country needed, but not the one we deserved. So sad.
-Consistent job growth month to month-yes its smaller than we want but it's growth
-A three and a half year low for unemployment since he took office
-rebuilding of world alliances
-he's taken a hammer to Al-Qaeda and took out Bin Laden (sorry it wasn't the Bush policies it was Obama, his team, and the men and women serving the country)
-healthcare law
-student loan law
-ledbetter fair pay act
-DADT repealed
These are just a few but they are BIG things. We're looking at a pretty accomplished president here and I think this is far from being a choice between a douche and turd. Romney is both. Obama is blindly and unfairly hated by so many yet he's done a great job considering the circumstances and the obstruction. He's the president this country needed, but not the one we deserved. So sad.
SteveWinwood
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You forgot columbia!
Its clear youre new to politics...
Maybe learn up on your local and state reps if youre actually "getting into" politics because, while the big boys put on a nice show under the big-top, they cant do shit without congress.
Go go Romney!
It boils down to one thing for me -- the economy. America needs to get back on track economically, there's too many people hurting. Obama didn't deliver.
So now the choice is, do we stick with Obama and hope he actually turns it around in his last 4 years? Or do we give a new guy a shot? And if Romney does deliver then he could have another term to keep it going strong vs Obama's last 4 and then on to someone else to potentially screw it up. If Romney screws it up, he will only get 4 years, since people won't vote for him next time.
It's a gamble either way to be honest.
But Romney does have business savvy. He's not Bush... He wasn't flunking upwards through school and his business ventures. Romney ran Bain Capital and made bank. The point of that company was to buy failing companies and turn them around, which he did with a lot of success. He also turned the Winter Olympics around as well. Obama didn't do nearly enough and Romney looks like he can, so... there's my vote.
I want the unemployment rate down, I want jobs up. I want America's economic powerhouse back. We'll deal with the other issues after that.
But this is GAF, so about 1% of you will agree with me.
It boils down to one thing for me -- the economy. America needs to get back on track economically, there's too many people hurting. Obama didn't deliver.
So now the choice is, do we stick with Obama and hope he actually turns it around in his last 4 years? Or do we give a new guy a shot? And if Romney does deliver then he could have another term to keep it going strong vs Obama's last 4 and then on to someone else to potentially screw it up. If Romney screws it up, he will only get 4 years, since people won't vote for him next time.
It's a gamble either way to be honest.
But Romney does have business savvy. He's not Bush... He wasn't flunking upwards through school and his business ventures. Romney ran Bain Capital and made bank. The point of that company was to buy failing companies and turn them around, which he did with a lot of success. He also turned the Winter Olympics around as well. Obama didn't do nearly enough and Romney looks like he can, so... there's my vote.
I want the unemployment rate down, I want jobs up. I want America's economic powerhouse back. We'll deal with the other issues after that.
But this is GAF, so about 1% of you will agree with me.
I've been playing local too. I'm volunteering in the Beto O'Rourke congressional campaign. He ousted Sylvestre Reyes in the primaries.
All this despite GOP obstruction. Part of me wishes there were more liberal policies put in place but this country is too far right for that to happen anytime soon.
That's exactly what those LIBRUL BLOGGERS want you to believe!
Whatever improvement happens in the first year or two for the economy under Romney will be because of Obama's policies. It kills me that if Romney wins he'll get the credit.
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Agreed 100%, this is why I'm supporting Romney over Obama as well.Go go Romney!
It boils down to one thing for me -- the economy. America needs to get back on track economically, there's too many people hurting. Obama didn't deliver.
So now the choice is, do we stick with Obama and hope he actually turns it around in his last 4 years? Or do we give a new guy a shot? And if Romney does deliver then he could have another term to keep it going strong vs Obama's last 4 and then on to someone else to potentially screw it up. If Romney screws it up, he will only get 4 years, since people won't vote for him next time.
It's a gamble either way to be honest.
But Romney does have business savvy. He's not Bush... He wasn't flunking upwards through school and his business ventures. Romney ran Bain Capital and made bank. The point of that company was to buy failing companies and turn them around, which he did with a lot of success. He also turned the Winter Olympics around as well. Obama didn't do nearly enough and Romney looks like he can, so... there's my vote.
I want the unemployment rate down, I want jobs up. I want America's economic powerhouse back. We'll deal with the other issues after that.
But this is GAF, so about 1% of you will agree with me.
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I hear the best way to help those hurting people is to take away any and all safety nets from them.
There's a pretty big reason that not even Romney wants to talk about his experience at Bain Capital. Bain probably killed as many or more companies as it saved.
Even PRO-Romney ads would rather focus on his employment record in Massachusetts, rather than bring up Bain.
SteveWinwood
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So why would you be voting for Romney?
Oops.
Didn't Obama have a supermajority in the senate and a huge majority in the House during his first two years?
no, it was less than that, more like 6 months
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I don't think he ever had a supermajority really. There was always a few blue dogs willing to fillibuster
Yeah, the choice is do we stick to the guy that has helped us recover so far or give it to the guy from the same party that ran us into the ditch head first? And before you say they're different people, he is literally running on the same stuff Bush did. It's the normal Republican economic policies.
pssst... you should probably read more about Bain. That definitely was not their purpose at all. Sure they did it a few times, but their purpose was to make money for their shareholders any way possible. They would take out a loan to buy a company, then use the company's assets to pay themselves off in huge fees, downsize and throw out anything and everything they can, then throw the company away. When those companies failed they still made a ton of money no matter what.
Also, yes he did pretty well with the Winter Olympics, but you do realize that he spent a metric fuckton of money given to him by the federal government at that time, right? There were apparently fights in congress because it was such a massive amount.
I don't mean to go all librul-GAF on you, but this "change for the sake of change" mindset doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The grass is not always greener on the other side, especially when you can't see the other grass because it's covered in fog and bullshit. Yes, Romney was a successful businessman. But the fact that he won't/can't detail specifics about HOW he would improve the economy (at least none that add up) should be disconcerting to anyone who wants to give him a shot "just because."
SteveWinwood
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You have a lot of people who technically have a D next to their name but in reality won't vote for anything. Like my representative Collin Peterson.
He calls it "standing up for the Minnesota way, and not following the party line!" I call it him actually being a conservative and a moron. He's one of the people who want to repeal obamacare and he's going to be elected again :/
Edit: Dave beat me to it, those damn blue dogs aren't actually blue.
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