Gallup: R 52-O 45 Time to Worry?
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High five, slim libertarian/socialist intersection!
Also, seriously, guys, Cooter is literally parroting a Dick Morris analysis. He deserves slightly less respect than Dick Morris -- except that that would be impossible.
Only me.
FYI, Government tends to spend like crazy to save the country from a depression. We learned that from the 30s.
As for the health bill, it was online before it was passed. People were just too lazy to read it. Including people in congress.
Jezbollah
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Obama needs to earn the votes, and to do that he needs to go on record with a more open plan, more commitments, basically sell his vote more than the previous election. He actually faces legitimate competition. I dont remember McCain/Palin being this close to Obama at this point four years ago.
Obama wasn't even campaigning against McCain/Palin in 2008. He was basically campaigning against Bush.
Any Democrat would have easily won in 08 for precisely that reason.
Jezbollah
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Id agree with that to an extent, but would consider the Bush/Kerry election of 2004.
Spin it however you want - this is how people see it which they should since Obama constantly mentions the previous administration.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Not enough people hated Bush in 2004, sadly.
Honestly this is looking a lot like 2004 with the parties switched. And minus one big clusterfuck mistake war, of course.
Doc Holliday
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take a look at 2008 and take a look at things now. How you can honestly say this? Makes me sad :/
I know it's probably more spin, but if he actually halved the deficit our economy wouldn't be looking this good at all. He needed to spend much more than he has. The stimulus should have been bigger, and the government shouldn't have lost the jobs that it did.
Too lazy or not enough time to tear through it all before it passed?
You make it sound like it was up for months, ha! Nope. Not enough time to get the nation involved in discussion. But that's not ramming it through, right? Its like me telling you im going to burn your house down after I already soaked it in gasoline and had a lit match waiting to throw on it with you across town. Plenty of time to stop me, right?
Say whatever you want but there is no defending the mishaps of this administration and no light at the end of the tunnel with Romney, either.
It is what it is.
Funny... we get to choose between 50 women for Miss America but only 2 for President... something is wrong with that picture.
entremet
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Don't follow the news much, eh?
Stimulus? What stimulus?
If you take 5 dollars from me and then give me back 5 dollars thats a net zero. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. A wash.
Stimulus? Surely this is just some mathematical trolling.
You realize there's a primary process for this, right? That's where you get your multiple choices. If you want a better president, pay attention and vote in primaries. This goes for every political office, really. If you pay attention and get involved in the process, you can sway things.
What in fuck's name are you talking about?
RustyNails
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Only people worse than politically apathetic voters are uneducated voters.
Yeah, Bush's approval ratings in 04 were still around 50%.
America did not start despising him until the midpoint of his second term.
I apologize, im continuing my thoughts from the previous page on how the left/right control the debates and don't allow 3rd parties in the national debate.
Im not good at poliGAF so I should have made my analogy a bit more clear. My apologies.
The really funny thing about this post is that most of the other people who posted this in the thread ALSO got dogpiled, so you can hardly say you weren't warned.
Where does the government get its money from?
Joe Shlabotnik
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The dogpile is because you're like the five millionth person to say it.
Delusibeta
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Can't stay away.. Good ole' discounting Gallup because it says something I don't like. The main reason I see Romney winning comfortably is turnout. There is a very very very small chance Obama can replicate 08' turnout of hope and change/Bush sucks with his argument this year of things are bad but they will get better and my opponent is a horrible human being. Add that to a much stronger republican turnout and I just don't see it happening.
The problem is that Gallup itself, if you look past the headline figure and look at how the votes is distributed, is pointing to Obama taking victory. It doesn't matter if Romney gets 100% of the vote in Texas, he still only gets 38 votes in the Electoral College. The South is not the entireity of the United States, despite what some people (and Gallup) believes.
Just a warning, I think you've lit the EV signal with this.
How about you tell me. Where do you think it comes from, lol.
Anyone saying that Obama has accomplished nothing or has been completely ineffectual has been living under a rock the past 3 1/2 years or is a complete ideologue blinded by an extreme dislike or hatred for man they have really no reason to dislike. If you're a sane minded person and I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat you know that Obama has not accomplished nothing. He has quite a track record of achievements they've just been marred by the disgusting political atmosphere that has surfaced over the past four years by people that are blinded by hate racism and extreme ideology.
What is an EV signal and... I don't know... which is why im asking... I really have no clue... Fort Knox?
By the same token racking up 70 in Illinois, New York and California does Obama no good. I don't think that's a rock-solid analysis.
CyclopsRock
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That's the spirit.
eBay Huckster
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that's the thing, he doesn't seem to be racking up 70 in any of them (except maybe illinois)
Making personal jabs really helps the Obama camp. So does the race card... I mean... he was white when we voted him in... wasnt he? Oh that's right! He wasn't!
You can more a more convincing point not insisting that people that dont like him are insane, racist, etc
You sound no better than the right wing that believes Romney's BS. Grow up.
McCain was either neck and neck or ahead of Obama in a lot of the polls, Obama's big gap on McCain occured when the economy collapsed while McCain was saying he had no clue how to run it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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eBay Huckster
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in every conceivable sense: itself
Empty Vessel. He's a guy around here that usually jumps on this sort of thing.
But yes, we have a Fiat Monetary system, which means that the US Government has monetary sovereignty over the creation of our dollar. Every dollar spent is a dollar created. Dollars taxed are dollars destroyed. In order to expand an economy with an expanding population it is necessary to create more dollars, and we've done so almost every year of our existence with a few exceptions (Andrew Jackson got rid of our debt, and there were a few more times throughout history that we pulled in a bit more than we sent out, though the debt didn't disappear in those instances.... and after every single one but one time the economy went through a depression afterwards)
But really none of that matters in the current discussion. You're talking about a stimulus, something that really no reputable economist has any problems with. You do realize that this isn't a politically or economically questionable thing, right? Almost every candidate running in 08 had a stimulus plan (and Romney's was the largest!). And now most economists agree our stimulus wasn't big enough. There is absolutely no question that a stimulus pretty much does what it's supposed to do and can kick start a lagging economy. You'd be pretty extreme to think otherwise.
Deified Data
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What's a politically apathetic voter? Don't they just stay home, making them non-voters?
Well it doesn't look like Romney is getting any larger margins in Texas either. The point is that the breakdown of 4 regions for the entire country isn't large enough to tell you that Obama is winning the states he needs because there are large high margin states on his side too.
Doc Holliday
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Wasn't the health care bill debated for almost a year? Isn't that one of the talking points from the GOP, that he spent too much time on that instead of jobs?
Sir Alemeth
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You guys need to chill. Obama's got this. THIS is what matters:
http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/electoral-vote-tracker/
Obama at 267
Romney at 206
http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/electoral-vote-tracker/
Obama at 267
Romney at 206
Doc Holliday
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Also Europe has done the opposite of stimulus and look how well it's going for them.
eBay Huckster
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speaking of high-margin states, here are some numbers that just got released seconds ago:
WSJ/Marist/NBC - Oct 15-17
Iowa - Romney 43% - Obama 51%
Wisconsin - Romney 45% - Obama 51%
And in hindsight it's probably a great thing he worked on healthcare. With a recession that size, there were probably plenty of people who lost their jobs and couldn't afford to continue their coverage. Being covered for a pre-existing condition may be a godsend to those people in the next few years or so.
That Iowa poll is huge.
eBay Huckster
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