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This is such a bullshit pretentious thing to say.GoT is a trashy, tawdry soap. It is a fun show (sometimes) but it is pure junk food.
It's fine if you simply don't like the show, but "junk food"? Come on now.
This is such a bullshit pretentious thing to say.GoT is a trashy, tawdry soap. It is a fun show (sometimes) but it is pure junk food.
Actually it's been rumored that the book hints the Hound is still alive (it was a very subtle hint with one vague comment from a character). We don't know yet cause the books haven't been finished and the last GoT season was all past the finished books. Same thing with Jon Snow being alive (he left it in a way that almost said that he wAnted you to think he was dead).
Yeah the lack of realism really gets to me. I mean, the dragons, zombies, magic, etc don't bother me so much but the inaccurate results of sword wounds just totally takes me right out of the story.
The "jetpack" criticism always makes me roll my eyes because no-one had a problem with it in Season 1 (Cat). Again just shows how people don't understand how TV works and that they can't just show someone traveling for 8 episodes with detailed descriptions of food they eat along the way.
No they said a few iffy moments ruined that whole season too
I would completely disagree. It's a fantasy world where people die in multiple ways but none of them are realistic. Gold poured on your head? The Mountain crushing a guys head with his bare hands? I mean none of the main deaths are realistic. They're just atypical for the fantasy genre so they stand out.It's supposed to be a realistic world where you die in realistic ways. Like an infection from a cut killing you, or how difficult it is to fight more than a couple people at a time, no matter how good of a swordmans you are. Having magical elements is irreverent if they weren't used during the scene, or his recovery, which they weren't. It was magical though, magically shitty writing.
Homophobic. Loras. Oh my god, Loras. What the fuck did they do to you?! Book Loras joins the kingsguard, because in his words, "when the sun has set, no candle can replace it" ;A;. He is a renowned knight, a supreme badass - a little hot headed and reckless, but hey, he's young - and extremely protective of his beloved sister Margaery. In the show, he is GAY! Did you know that Loras is GAY? He likes MEN! He likes FASHION because he is GAY! He sleeps with prostitutes because he's just so GAY! And then in season 6, the gay man gets tortured and scarified with religious iconography before getting blown up.
Just want to chime in and say that despite its problems, Game of Thrones still isn't really popcorn entertainment to me. I'm too interested in the world and characters for that.
Just making it clear there's at least one that feels that way.
Strange realisation to have after he spent the whole of her ADWD chapters explaining she can't be both the floppy rabbit eared peaceful ruler and the fire and blood mother of dragons.I kind of gave up on the world and lore after I realized GRRM is turnning Dany into super mary sue.
I kind of gave up on the world and lore after I realized GRRM is turnning Dany into super mary sue.
I kind of gave up on the world and lore after I realized GRRM is turnning Dany into super mary sue.
But in the books he's a dude with a lot going on who happens to be gay. On the show, the only scenes with him in them are about how he's a gay man who has lots of gay sex while being gay. It kind of feels like the show thinks this makes it more mature and edgy.
Cersei's cartoonish transformation into Darth Vader scene in season six, complete with cringe-worthy costume was pretty bad.
I kind of gave up on the world and lore after I realized GRRM is turnning Dany into super mary sue.
You're confusing GRRM for the shows writers. In GRRM's writing she's like the opposite of a Mary Sue, pretty much every decisions she makes blows up in her face.
Then how come she is still alive? If she is not Mary Sue then there must be another name for this literary trope.
You're confusing GRRM for the show's writers. In GRRM's writing she's literally the opposite of what a Mary Sue is, pretty much every decisions she makes blows up in her face.
Then how come she is still alive? If she is not Mary Sue then there must be another name for this literary trope.
Plot armour. Tyrion has it too.
I am sensitive to the blasé argument, even though I've disagreed with people who single out what happened to Sansa as "pure shock." Her directly talking to her rapist about the horror she went through just before exacting revenge was a big moment for her character -- in fact my guess is many who initially objected to "the Sansa scene" in the beginning would have to admit that the arc came around and blood was paid for that event. I could see the criticism more if it were just entirely backdrop and never was referred to again -- like Craster's Keep, which I agree with you about.Okay. So my issue with Tyrion is that he's whitewashed to hell and back, and the most obvious example of this is removing his rapist tendencies. As for the show using rape for shock value, yeah, it does. Remember Craster's Keep, where women were being raped as backdrop? It's not to make a point about the horrors of war, it's just "shocking". Sansa only got shoved into Jeyne Poole's place so they could rape her and have it be "shocking". I'm not opposed to the depiction of rape, I'm opposed to the show's blasé treatment of it.
And secondly no, I'm not conflating, thanks. The books take place in a sexist world yet manage to not be sexist (most of the time; GRRM is not perfect, but he tries). The show is sexist as fuck. Aforementioned rape issues; fucking around female characters to accommodate male ones (e.g. Tyrion); the adherence and reinforcement of the toxically masculine ideal that to be violent is to be strong - this is evident not only in the female characters but in characters such as Sam as well.
My biggest grievance is how badly they butchered Stannis though I still enjoy it for what it is the season before the latest one (5?) was mostly terrible though
I feel like we've had threads to prove that the amount of sexual assault in the show is actually lower than in the books. I'm sure less time with the mountain and the toning down of Ramsay helps in this regard -- Ramsay in the show is hard to watch but in the books he is down right grotesque.
But I feel like a lot of things that people complain about are just shortcuts that make more sense for an adaptation - how do you have a Tyrion that does some of the things he does in the books still be empathetic?
And personally, and I know a lot of people disagree with me, a lot of the stuff that got erased from AFFC/DWD is better off cut. It was bad in the book and would have been worse in the show. Even the "good" stuff from the books, should it lead nowhere as many people believe, are better off cut.
In the books his sexuality is never really expanded on at all, nor is he much of a character at all.
I'll take a somewhat stereotypical representation and gratuitous gay sex scenes over having the only gay representation be some nonexplicit remarks about minor side characters.
I think that season 1 to 4 are pretty darn good, but I still agree with most of your points. I think in season 5 and 6 the writing completely went to shit.
I honestly don't understand why season 6 has that great of a reputation. Yes, it had three great episodes (which was three more than season 5), but the rest of the episodes were pretty damn awful. I mean it had stuff like Euron Greyjoy being just some dude who strolls in an election, straight up tells everyone he killed his brother and is planning on killing his niece and nephew and then wins an election on some vague promise about dragons and Arya's 'epic' chase which features classic writing like Arya forgetting she has a life-threatening wound, an assassin famous for changing appearances and blending in not changing appearances and just blindly running into a crowd and that member of a famous assassin guild being caught off-guard by a little girl putting out a candle.
Season six also had a real problem with keeping up with claims and rights of succession: It had Yara/Asha sailing off to Meereen, claiming Euron stole her birthright, even though the Iron Islands have an electoral system, so the throne was nobody's birthright and Euron, even though he used shitty arguments that really shouldn't have won him anything, got the throne fair and square. Ellaria somehow enacting her vengeance by murdering the entire family of her late lover and claiming power even though she has zero claim to anything. Jon Snow becoming King of the North without any claim to power. And finally, Cersei becoming Queen without any claims and after murdering all her opposition and basically blowing up the Vatican, an action of which she's basically the only possible suspect and which would realistically make every person in the world hate her. I mean, I get that she's got most of the guards in her pocket, but I somehow highly doubt all her personal guards could protect her from the shitstorm that blowing up the single most important religious building in the world would cause.and you just know that next season they're going to play the Targaryen card, even though he's still a claimless bastard just with a different father
I always hear this. I'm curious, what are the differences between Stanis in the books & the show? I only read up to A Feast for Crows.
Now that President Trump is a real thing Euron's election doesn't seem that farfetched, especially when we know that the Iron Islanders are pretty much all dumb as shit.
In the show: Stannis is a religious nut. He's outclassed by 'twenty good men' who sneak into his camp and burn some stuff. Then, when he's snowed in for like a day Melisandre is able to convince him to kill his only daughter and sole living heir because of reasons. Then, even though more than half of his men left him after the murder of his daughter he still goes to battle, losing spectacularly and then he's killed by Brienne who happened to be strolling by.
In the books his sexuality is never really expanded on at all, nor is he much of a character at all.
I'll take a somewhat stereotypical representation and gratuitous gay sex scenes over having the only gay representation be some nonexplicit remarks about minor side characters.
Considering that the trial is portrayed as very inqusition like it's not that weird that such tangential evidence would be enough to convict him. I didn't really have the feeling that they were looking for the truth.You forgot to add that the thing that did him in was that his "squire" told the priests that he has a birthmark on his leg.
Squires, a profession that is specifically about helping their masters dress and bathe and what have you. Especially for super high-end nobles that the ruling family of the Reach certainly qualifies at.
But apparently the SQUIRE seeing the naked LEG of his master is proof enough to convict him.
Now that President Trump is a real thing Euron's election doesn't seem that farfetched, especially when we know that the Iron Islanders are pretty much all dumb as shit. The Arya stuff was definitely dumb though.
As for Cersei, that whole sequence happened in the very last episode, we really don't know what's going to happen there so I don't think it's fair to call it out for not making sense.
We can actually compare though, because the situation as it happens in the show is literally impossible in the books, since neither Shireen nor Melisandre are anywhere near Stannis. Sure, Shireen will still die on the pyre, but Stannis will not have anything to do with it.to be fair, everything after your first sentence happens in the story that is not available in book form, yet. so that is really impossible to compare.
We can actually compare though, because the situation as it happens in the show is literally impossible in the books, since neither Shireen nor Melisandre are anywhere near Stannis. Sure, Shireen will still die on the pyre, but Stannis will not have anything to do with it.
Name few good shows please, would love to hear what you appreciate if neither GOT or Breaking Bad can't be considered good shows.
Considering that the trial is portrayed as very inqusition like it's not that weird that such tangential evidence would be enough to convict him. I didn't really have the feeling that they were looking for the truth.
This edgy bullshit needs to stop. He gave his reasons why he thinks the way he doesI read all the books. I love the TV show. So for me it is far from a "piece of shit". MILLIONS of people love it and have a great time. But it's nice to be edgy amirite
The Wire, The Sopranos, Twin Peaks, Six Feet Under, Babylon 5
GoT is not bad. It just has moments where it's absolute shit and some seasons have too many of those. As for BB, I would say that it's simply boring, has bad characterization and too much forced drama. Maybe it's good by some metric, but I think it's a waste of time.