boneyjangles
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No, it's one of the good ones.
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Game of Thrones is bad. Like, really bad. Here's why. (Spoilers)
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just like tv a schedule doesn't make something better...
I think what he's saying is... "it's better than nothing."
Because that's what book readers are getting - nothing.
And season 6 gave us the terminator https://youtu.be/mnyseAZ4xU8?t=323 a continual description of Arya Stark deeds in season 6 only makes it seem more hilarious stupid.
Poor GRIMES
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You are watching a show that takes place in a medieval fantasy world. Unfortunately, that's a reality given the show's setting, but it certainly could (and kind of has) be toned down.
As for Loras, as a gay male myself, his one-trait character was annoying, but it didn't bother me much. Because many minor characters, not just Loras, were also reduced to one sentence. Look at how quickly- sometimes sloppily handled - Roose, Barristan, Osha were all killed. These characters weren't useless, and could have stayed longer, but it was clear the show didn't have the time for them. The same happened for Loras metaphorically, because Loras being arrested for being Gay was his only plotline necessary to the endgame, and nothing else about his character was important to a show with limited time. As annoying as it is, I get it, and I don't think it's being homophobic.
I used to feel this way, but at this point I really don't think the extra bonus rape and weird inability to write women as fully realized people -- though to be fair, by now this is the case for basically everyone on the show, male or female -- is "better" honestly.
Yes.
But in the books he's a dude with a lot going on who happens to be gay. On the show, the only scenes with him in them are about how he's a gay man who has lots of gay sex while being gay. It kind of feels like the show thinks this makes it more mature and edgy.
Poor GRIMES
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I know this is a concept but... shows can be good and bad at the same time! Wow! Who would've thought
Almost like people forgot one of the best episodes Hardhome was in Season 5. And Season 6 was a return to form.
This isn't a Dexter situation.
WinterIsComing
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It's just tits and dragons.
If by form you mean inconsistent logic and shit that makes no sense, then yeah a true return to form lol. I mean you can definitely enjoy something that is bad, and that in itself can be argue makes a piece of entertainment good, but Season 6 is extremely flawed.
Poor GRIMES
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Of course it's flawed. But I do not think the flaws outweigh the good parts of the season.
Will I let some flaws with Arya's plot, etc, stop me from enjoying the Bran scenes, Jon and Sansa reuniting, the BOTB, the finale episode which was the best (and highest rated) episode in the series? Nah.
Hardhome was such a standout because the rest of the season was basically as bad as late series Dexter.
It's okay though, cause I can appreciate crappy TV as well as good TV.
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Didn't like Hardhome at all. That part where everyone rises just made me cringe my face off.
Albino_Yeti
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Whaaat? That was one of the best parts. It shows how royally screwed Westeros is, because the White Walkers have a fully replenish able army.
And the silence of the scene made it spooky.
King Gilga
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You guys know a show can be not great/have a lot of issues/whatever but still really enjoyable at the same time right?
I like how shitposters always use 'logic' this to try to justify their shitposts in every thread where OP says something against the grain.
I like how shitposters always use 'logic' this to try to justify their shitposts in every thread where OP says something against the grain.
Poor GRIMES
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The Gift was a good episode, and doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Dexter.
And The Walk Of Shame was perfectly done, down to every last detail and the music.
PsychoSoldier
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I feel like we've had threads to prove that the amount of sexual assault in the show is actually lower than in the books. I'm sure less time with the mountain and the toning down of Ramsay helps in this regard -- Ramsay in the show is hard to watch but in the books he is down right grotesque.
But I feel like a lot of things that people complain about are just shortcuts that make more sense for an adaptation - how do you have a Tyrion that does some of the things he does in the books still be empathetic?
And personally, and I know a lot of people disagree with me, a lot of the stuff that got erased from AFFC/DWD is better off cut. It was bad in the book and would have been worse in the show. Even the "good" stuff from the books, should it lead nowhere as many people believe, are better off cut.
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I disagree, I've seen plenty of people have the exact same reaction to the event in the books.
Well it isn't just Arya plot, almost all plots were flawed, although ofc Arya stuff was just sheet insanity in its leaps of logic and reality (as established in that world ofc). Even the big event at the end of the season was presented in a way that made no sense, with stuff like Lancel being drawn into an opportunity to put out the flame, for really absolutely no reason what so ever, other than the writers wanting to create the absurd suspense of the flame bit.
radios shipping overview
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Oh, and a thread with a long and well-reasoned OP is not clickbait.
Clickbait is linking out to a junk article/video with no relevance to the title and/or no explanation, or a single-line shitpost of an OP.
Clickbait is linking out to a junk article/video with no relevance to the title and/or no explanation, or a single-line shitpost of an OP.
That's not what the OP is arguing though.
The Walk of Shame was great, but I feel like they squandered all of it in Cersei's character arc since. I mean, it's cool as fuck that she literally explodes everyone responsible but it's also not very nuanced character growth.
Poor GRIMES
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Sounds like you should be finding problems with every show on television if the Lancel thing really bothered you
Maybe I misread The "characterization" section which is a pretty bulky part of the argument, but that's how it felt to me.
It is one in a long long long line of problems with that show though, not at all an occasional thing, also you know I do find a problem with nonsensical drawing a character to a place for no good reason, why shouldn't I have a problem with it, its stupid cliche stuff.
hipsterpants
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The show is pretty fucking stupid now but it is usually entertaining at least. Episodes like Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards are absolutely worth watching if only for the spectacle on TV alone.
People always say "but there's rape in the books too!" Yes, and it's very much to a point... Westeros of the books is a heavily patriarchal society and it's fascinating to watch the female characters navigate this and succeed and endure despite the fact that the world is pitted against them because of their gender. The show tries to use the "that's how it was back then!" argument but it completely falls apart because the patriarchy only exists in the show for when the showrunners need an excuse for raping Sansa.
Sorry your head cannon doesn't match reality.
In many ways the show was overly kind in its portrayal, especially to Stannis.
No lies detected.
Even with episodes I enjoy now, I can't help but think of what might have been.
hipsterpants
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This is a 100% accurate post.
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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I always felt the show was essentially the books minus every single bit of nuance and gray.
Stannis "There will be no burnings, pray harder" Baratheon? Ah yes, daughter-burning Stannis was a vast improvement.
I'm pretty sure D&D have admitted they don't like him. It's clear they killed him off so their preferred hero (Jon) could take his place.
Ocarina_117
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Jesus Christ I just remembered the
on the show.
What the fuck was that?
Who in the right mind thought that was acceptable writing? What the fuck were the character motivations there.
That moment in particular was just infuriating.
Then there's the Arya plotline, Sansa's plotline, Theon's plotline (despite Alfie being amazing), Kings Landing was a mess this season, Dany's plot line had an amazing pay off but dragged through the season. Jaimie needs to fucking get over Cersei already. Tyrion agreeing
. The whole
. Littlefinger and Varys who were shown to be the two true powers in Westeros just completely marginalised.
I don't get the comments saying season 6 was a return to form. Outside of the final two episodes (although again, the payoffs in episode 10 came at the cost of shit writing) and hold the door the season was poor.
The white walker's origins were handled in a 30 second vision. The main antagonist of the entire series who have been a persistent force for centuries. Explained in a brief flash back.
There's a lot wrong with game of thrones season 6. Sorry for the rant, i got angry about
and then spiralled.
Blackfish's death
What the fuck was that?
Who in the right mind thought that was acceptable writing? What the fuck were the character motivations there.
That moment in particular was just infuriating.
Then there's the Arya plotline, Sansa's plotline, Theon's plotline (despite Alfie being amazing), Kings Landing was a mess this season, Dany's plot line had an amazing pay off but dragged through the season. Jaimie needs to fucking get over Cersei already. Tyrion agreeing
to work with the family who murdered his niece, one of the few family members the show displayed him showing affection towards
murdering of doran
I don't get the comments saying season 6 was a return to form. Outside of the final two episodes (although again, the payoffs in episode 10 came at the cost of shit writing) and hold the door the season was poor.
The white walker's origins were handled in a 30 second vision. The main antagonist of the entire series who have been a persistent force for centuries. Explained in a brief flash back.
There's a lot wrong with game of thrones season 6. Sorry for the rant, i got angry about
blackfish
Euron is much more nuanced in the show but the book purists cry out for their cartoon villain.
He burns people in the very next chapter!!!
I don't think this is true. He's just as much of a cartoon villain here ("Now let's go kill my niece and nephew!") except the difference is that in the book he's a supreme fantasy edgelord while on the show he's a doofus asshole.
He burns cannibals! He refuses to burn his own men! Stannis tells his men to keep Shireen safe at all costs because she's his heir. I don't see him burning her. I can see Melisandre doing it, however.
Season 5 was terrible, season 6 on the other hand was amazing.
Ocarina_117
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The feelings of the reader to Stannis was masterfully manipulated by GRRM.
From being using black magic to kill his brother to gain an army, I hated him for at the time. To 'to become king i must save the kingdom', heading north to where the true fight lasts and becoming endeared to him through out.
Also I believe in the books he said to someone (can't recall) that even if he were to die that the fight should go on to put shireen on the throne, clearly that is a man that will just burn her alive because they are out of food and what not. Also as been pointed out in this thread before, we are talking about the men that defended Storms End and would have likely died of starvation before surrendering it.
Ocarina_117
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I mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VALI6mbXB-E&t=7s
compared to
'Im going to sail to Dany and give her my big cock' and 'Where's my niece and nephew, let's go murder them'
Don't see the nuance in the latter.
The "cannibals" were his men who had been left starving in the snow due to Stannis' bad leadership
And when shireen dies when Melisandre burns her is the geographic distance going to absolve Stannis of the fact he brought he into his household and didn't dismiss her when she burnt his kin.
Stannis already burnt his kin on dragonstone and killed his brother with blood magic. The man has no morals.
As per the sexism argument... wasn't there a bunch of articles published after s6 arguing that the show was turning an inherently sexist storyline (from the books) due to the setting into a Woman Power fantasy with all the main players (aside from Jon and Bran) now being all Women? Dani, Cercei, Sansa, Sand Snakes (ugh), lady Mormont, Yara...
Ah yep. Loads of 'em
Just one example
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/...ros-6-reasons-game-of-thrones-is-a-triumph-f/
Ah yep. Loads of 'em
Just one example
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/...ros-6-reasons-game-of-thrones-is-a-triumph-f/
The books have some incredibly feminist themes. The show, as I mentioned, takes the "violence = empowerment" ball and runs with it, as though that makes up for the gratuitous rape, infantilisation and objectification that permeates the rest of it.
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