Vincent Alexander
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Yeah, I get why Benjen would help. But I liked the angle of Dany not necessarily sending a dragon in, and instead the dragon protecting him on it's own inclination due to him being a Targ.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Dragon1893
Member
This so much lol.
Gotta wonder how Jon made it out of the water with all that soaked clothing weighing him down while also trying to shake off several zombies though.
Anyway, this season has been amazing, can't wait for that finale.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
Nah, the "proof" is that in the scene where the Children of the forrest create the Night king, Bran is shown in the present in the same position as him and clinging his hands when the dragon glass goes in as if he felt the pain himself. This, followed by "hold the door" made someone theorise that either the guy in the past was Bran or that Bran warged into him like he did with Hodor. It's really stretching it.
manfestival
Member
is it me or is arya being petty by mad at her sister for those things that transpired?
ComputerBlue
Member
Someone suggested yesterday that it was the 3ER who sent Benjen to save Bran and Meera last season and they're right, Benjen does say that when he saves them. So it may have been Bran now sending Benjen in at the right time to save Jon.
The one ep in the season without Cersei/Jaime and it's bad. There's a reason for that folks.
When people say "Ugh, why don't they just kill Cersei/Jaime already" I'm like
I have to really interrogate these people. It's like, you want the most compelling characters gone, you want the best actress on the show gone, you want the only consistently entertaining aspects of the show from season 1-7 gone (Ok Jaime sucked in s5 but so did everyone besides Cersei and Jon), for what? So Jon and Dany can make eyes at each other? So Tyrion can continue to be totally ineffectual? So Arya and Sansa can play they're bullshit spy games? It's time for y'all to admit you need Cersei and Jaime.
When people say "Ugh, why don't they just kill Cersei/Jaime already" I'm like
I have to really interrogate these people. It's like, you want the most compelling characters gone, you want the best actress on the show gone, you want the only consistently entertaining aspects of the show from season 1-7 gone (Ok Jaime sucked in s5 but so did everyone besides Cersei and Jon), for what? So Jon and Dany can make eyes at each other? So Tyrion can continue to be totally ineffectual? So Arya and Sansa can play they're bullshit spy games? It's time for y'all to admit you need Cersei and Jaime.
Crossing Eden
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Instantly set wights on fire son.
I legitimately thought that was going to happen. Missed opportunity for sure.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
So, plotwise, the reason why Jon was dragged under the ice by the walkers was so that the writers had a reason to kill Uncle Ben (out of nowhere) and to find a quick, cheap way to make Dany realize she's in love with Jon, right?
A young, fit as hell person with amazing genetics ran until he was so exhausted he fell over. It's believable he could make the same distance in hours that would take maybe 2 days for a group of people walking with full gear and supplies. The group would have been traveling rather carefully, stopping for rest, scouting the terrain, etc.
I don't think they've ever established how long it takes for ravens/dragons to travel across Westeros. If they have, I've forgotten.
The rest kinda goes down as movie magic. Would it make for better TV if Dany saves them before the battle starts? If she swoops in right after everyone has died? Would season 2 have been better if Tywin swooped in 5 seconds later and Cersei had time to kill Tommen and herself with poison? The answer to that last one is of course yes, but I still think it made for a better episode that Dany came in at the right time.
Would a dragon know he's a Targaryen? They're supposed to be intelligent beings but even so I'm not sure they can figure out his bloodline just like that. And as a viewer I would have been angry had another dragon put himself in harm's way like that after what just happened. Losing Jon would hurt the war effort less than losing another dragon.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Ironically, the thing many people have been begging for more of(dragon action) is a large part of the reason why we had an episode like last night and a season like this season.
So much of the budget is likely going into those large scale scenes and then when you add dragon action on top of it, I guess they just can't afford to do a 10 episode season of that scale.
But the dragons do look better than ever and the actual cinematography of the battles have been top notch, so I guess it comes down to whether or not you're ok with the trade-off.
So much of the budget is likely going into those large scale scenes and then when you add dragon action on top of it, I guess they just can't afford to do a 10 episode season of that scale.
But the dragons do look better than ever and the actual cinematography of the battles have been top notch, so I guess it comes down to whether or not you're ok with the trade-off.
Well, both when saving Bran and when saving Jon he was in proximity of the Night King and his army. What else does he have to do other than observing what the NK is up to? Other than maybe timing, I don't see any issue with him showing up.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I'm still scratching my head at how dumb the rest of the northern lords are. They're like Nolan GCPD levels of immature.
One moment they're triumphantly declaring Snow the King in the North. Gone for a few weeks?
Fuck 'im! They're like toddlers. It's ridiculous.
One moment they're triumphantly declaring Snow the King in the North. Gone for a few weeks?
Fuck 'im! They're like toddlers. It's ridiculous.
Seductivpancakes
Member
Yep so she can see that he was stabbed in the heart in the line of the duty.
Im actually quite happy with their relationship right now. Theyre giving the characters time to grow closer to one another. It gives them a little more depth. I honestly came into their meeting expecting them to be banging by the end of their first episode together. So far the most theyve done in what, three or four episodes is hold hands for a minute or so last episode lol
Vincent Alexander
Member
About Gendry running, I couldn't help but think of Marathon:
It's weird how D&D even highlight this too. Why would they write the North as shifty and frankly, kind of dumb?
Robot Pants
Member
Jamie is my favorite character (even when he did nothing in season 5) so I'm with yaThe one ep in the season without Cersei/Jaime and it's bad. There's a reason for that folks.
When people say "Ugh, why don't they just kill Cersei/Jaime already" I'm like
I have to really interrogate these people. It's like, you want the most compelling characters gone, you want the best actress on the show gone, you want the only consistently entertaining aspects of the show from season 1-7 gone (Ok Jaime sucked in s5 but so did everyone besides Cersei and Jon), for what? So Jon and Dany can make eyes at each other? So Tyrion can continue to be totally ineffectual? So Arya and Sansa can play they're bullshit spy games? It's time for y'all to admit you need Cersei and Jaime.
Seductivpancakes
Member
Especially dumb since Jon was the only guy trying to rally the North oust the Boltons.
I'm also equally stumped that Jon hasn't sent any ravens back home telling them he's fine and he secured an agreement to get dragon glass.
It's why I'm hoping Jon, Dany and co stop by Winterfell. It'll be interesting for Dany to meet them. Arya/Jon/Bran reunion. And show them the wight so they can finally shut. The. Hell. Up.
Ocarina_117
Banned
The guy ran through mountainous terrain, of which he knew nothing. Through a blizzard when he'd never before seen snow. At full sprint. And then you have the raven and dany to account for. This seasons been a mess in terms of showing time progression.
Yeah it's movie magic, which is why I believe it to be unreasonable. It makes for better drama and spectacle, which has come at the sacrifice at writing a lot the last few years.
ComputerBlue
Member
Neither do I.
Just trying to give some proof to the nitpickers that there is reason or logic behind certain events and not everything is obvious and staged perfectly for Hollywood style drama and tension without any background.
manfestival
Member
Try reading the books... oh wait
Alright, let me calm down. BUT what connection was there for them to have such feelings? I just wished it built up more like Greyworm's and Missandei's. Man, I just feel kind of let down.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
LORD GLOOVA, who did you promise you wouldn't fail again, united the North and avenged the Red Wedding?
BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR ME LATELY?
BUT WHAT HAS HE DONE FOR ME LATELY?
lastplayed
Member
The more I think about it the more I want to nitpick the hell out of the last episode but then I wonder what's the point? It's nearly over. Let's just get it over and done with.
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Orochinagis
Member
VS
Doesnt seem like a reflection. Maybe Bran warging?
Everything is a dream, John died on the lake
cartographer
Member
Super petty and hypocritical. She attended to and fed Tywin Lannister for weeks.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I'm in the same boat. However, my nitpicks aren't things I thought badbad...simply what I think could have been even better. At the end of the day, I fookin' loved the episode.
Yeah, I have seen people here call this and the dragons showing up Deus ex machina, but it really isn't. You could call it very convenient or something like that, but it's still something that has been established before. A deus ex machina would have been if, for no reason, a volcano erupted nearby and the army of the dead had to retreat.
I think the one thing that hurts and show like this so late into its run is that every fan has a theory and how they want it to wrap up, esp without the books as guideposts.
There is no way they match what ppl have already mapped out in their heads.
But that isn't what disappointed me about these last two episodes. Its just the Arya Sana Winterfell nonsense plus completely brain dead plan Tyrion comes up with which everyone agrees to for some reason. This episode then takes both to the next level dumb.
I really hope D&D and HBO hear the complaints.
There is no way they match what ppl have already mapped out in their heads.
But that isn't what disappointed me about these last two episodes. Its just the Arya Sana Winterfell nonsense plus completely brain dead plan Tyrion comes up with which everyone agrees to for some reason. This episode then takes both to the next level dumb.
I really hope D&D and HBO hear the complaints.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Well he also turned on his creators, so there is something else there. Seems unlikely we ever find out what. I'm wary of making predictions in case I am right, but I feel like the Night King is letting the wight be taken, I'm pretty sure he could just un-animate him at will.
Seductivpancakes
Member
I've read the books.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Well, his creators just kind of jammed some dragon glass in his chest, so I wouldn't expect them to have tons of control. All they did was create an unstoppable death machine. All it cares about is snuffing out life, whatever that may be.
I think he was more poking at the fact GRRM hasn't finished them.
*fights urge to post gifs of Maisie Williams from The Falling*
I feel like their connection is that they are the leader for their respective people, and they both respect that the other is doing what they feel must be done. Jon sees her fly off and wreck the fuck outta the Lannister loot train. Then, Dany sees for herself what exactly Jon is fighting against and what has happened to him to get this far (his scars). I think its a relationship born out of respect and admiration thats progressing nicely. Not saying youre wrong, though! Just our opinions
Robdraggoo
Member
The night king don't care they stole Wight even if he knows what it's for.
Do you really think the night king cares if the opposing army gets bigger? If I was him I would be like "more lambs for the slaughter, more to feed my army" every soldier that dies adds to his army at a moment's notice. In a battle his army will just get bigger as the oops I g force gets smaller.
shinra-bansho
Member
Viserion is totally stupid Jon's fault. Not sure why people keep defending stupid Jon's stupid nonsense rubbish decisions.
Also why was the lake so thawed anyway when winter is here.
Also why was the lake so thawed anyway when winter is here.
Vincent Alexander
Member
That's the fun! We dunno what she is up to. That was the only scene I enjoyed of Arya's in the last episode. Gave me hope for her. She up to sumthin....
Jon Snow. Psht. More like Jon Shmoe.
Even that aside, they could have just piled up and created a zombie bridge. Only reasonable explanation is the NK was purposely trying to draw the dragon out, but that opens up it's own can of worms.
Orochinagis
Member
Maybe it was a river?
LordKasual
Banned
Ohhhh shittttttt
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Everything is so rushed this season. Last weeks episode ended with them putting the band of 7 together. By the end of this episode the group is done.I feel like their connection is that they are the leader for their respective people, and they both respect that the other is doing what they feel must be done. Jon sees her fly off and wreck the fuck outta the Lannister loot train. Then, Dany sees for herself what exactly Jon is fighting against and what has happened to him to get this far (his scars). I think its a relationship born out of respect and admiration thats progressing nicely. Not saying youre wrong, though! Just our opinions
I am confused why they made it a shorter season, there is blatantly enough going on to hit 10 episodes.
It's not uncalled for. I mean there's the chains everyone is bitching about, and the ice spears. That sounds like they were prepared for it beforehand. The question is *how* did he know they exist, and why would he assume it would come to save them?
Vincent Alexander
Member
ComputerBlue
Member
That would mean the NK was willing to lose 25-50-100 or more wights to create a bridge just to kill 10 humans and gain 10 more undead, lol. Big loss.
I don't believe he was waiting to draw the dragon out either.