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Barely Lethal.
Vincent Alexander
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Ocarina_117
Banned
I felt the this episode should have been split across two. Needed more room to breath.
Teleportation fuckeries continues and was at it's worst in this episode.
The winterfell plotline is terrible, purely shite. It was even more frustrating as it kept interjecting into a compelling narrative up north.
Dany was lame as hell at the start in her conversation with tyrion. Her best scenes are definitely with jorah imho, when she was standing atop the wall waiting for the dragon to return - got me in mah feels. Jon x Dany continues to be forced as hell, the ending was the first scene where there felt like there was a spark between the two.
Weak episode for me, overall despite some cool moments. Falls flat compared to 'episode 9s' from previous seasons. Far behind blackwater, the attack on the wall, red wedding, hardhome (though it was episode 8).
Edit - As the show if disregarding logic I wish Dany came through with dothraki north of the wall. Fuck it.
Edit 2 - Theres some greenseeing stuff going on with the nights king for sure. The guy was stood there with spears ready for the dragons. He could have thrown them at the fanservice 7 in their sleep had he wanted to kill any of them. He had the chain ready and all. They were better off not going north at all, stupid fucking plan. The image of the crew waiting in the middle of the lake as the NK stares them down for days waiting for Dany is funny. Also bringing back benjen for all of 5 seconds to just kill him off to avoid explaining his backstory annoyed me too. Guy had plenty of time to get on the horse with Jon, as Jon could have easily hopped on the dragon.
Teleportation fuckeries continues and was at it's worst in this episode.
The winterfell plotline is terrible, purely shite. It was even more frustrating as it kept interjecting into a compelling narrative up north.
Dany was lame as hell at the start in her conversation with tyrion. Her best scenes are definitely with jorah imho, when she was standing atop the wall waiting for the dragon to return - got me in mah feels. Jon x Dany continues to be forced as hell, the ending was the first scene where there felt like there was a spark between the two.
Weak episode for me, overall despite some cool moments. Falls flat compared to 'episode 9s' from previous seasons. Far behind blackwater, the attack on the wall, red wedding, hardhome (though it was episode 8).
Edit - As the show if disregarding logic I wish Dany came through with dothraki north of the wall. Fuck it.
Edit 2 - Theres some greenseeing stuff going on with the nights king for sure. The guy was stood there with spears ready for the dragons. He could have thrown them at the fanservice 7 in their sleep had he wanted to kill any of them. He had the chain ready and all. They were better off not going north at all, stupid fucking plan. The image of the crew waiting in the middle of the lake as the NK stares them down for days waiting for Dany is funny. Also bringing back benjen for all of 5 seconds to just kill him off to avoid explaining his backstory annoyed me too. Guy had plenty of time to get on the horse with Jon, as Jon could have easily hopped on the dragon.
Its called the twin paradox theory where 2 people can exist within the same time frame. Of course physics state as potentially feasible but nobody has ever proven it. Lets just go with the GOT fantasy physics instead
Its called the twin paradox theory where 2 people can exist within the same time frame. Of course physics state as potentially feasible but nobody has ever proven it. Lets just go with the GOT fantasy physics instead
Ok haha. I've seen some of the theories behind this Bran=NK thing. Why would Bran follow himself with ravens, and why would NK immediately kick those ravens out of warging? I mean it was to stop Bran from seeing his position.
ComputerBlue
Member
No way, Bran is totes the Night King, get real aren't you following the obvious patterns and clues like they both wear black and both have cheekbones.
- The time compression is doing a great disservice to the show.
- Uncle Benjen showing up like he did wasn't great, too convenient.
- Winterfell storyline better have a great payoff, it's not working so well.
Otherwise, what a treat. It's absurd how high the production values have been. I thought Jon Snow was dead for a second there. I thought Tormund had eaten it too, particularly after his expression of love about Brienne. Beric and Thoros lighting swords. The slow build up of the Night King's attack and uncertainty if he was going to spear Jon, Danaerys or a dragon.
This is going to leave a void hard to fill.
- Uncle Benjen showing up like he did wasn't great, too convenient.
- Winterfell storyline better have a great payoff, it's not working so well.
Otherwise, what a treat. It's absurd how high the production values have been. I thought Jon Snow was dead for a second there. I thought Tormund had eaten it too, particularly after his expression of love about Brienne. Beric and Thoros lighting swords. The slow build up of the Night King's attack and uncertainty if he was going to spear Jon, Danaerys or a dragon.
This is going to leave a void hard to fill.
MushroomSamba
Member
Maybe because current Bran isn't full evil yet, and NK knows that his old self still wants to stop this terror in the North, because he doesn't yet realize whatever "turning point event"™ will happen.
I was originally a Bran=NK skeptic, but it's starting to actually make some sense to me.
Cersei isn't just going to kill Ellaria though. She's going to have her tortured, which is something I don't need to see myself. They could have shown Tyene dying, I suppose, but I don't mind that they didn't. I liked the way they did that one.
ComputerBlue
Member
Full evil?
Bran isn't even remotely evil, he's one of the least evil characters on the show! lol
MushroomSamba
Member
Probably thought there was too much risk involved in sending the friggin' Queen and top weapon up to unknown territory against an unknown enemy with unknown forms of attack?
Seems like he's already losing his human component at a gradual rate. He's becoming less and less emotional. His sense of empathy is almost all but lost at this point.
Ingeniero
Member
Yes, that's my bet.
I wonder if the Nigh King will ride Viserion or only command him with his mind tho...
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
What additional details do you even need? Besides learning more about motives, I guess, which is probably coming up?
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Ocarina_117
Banned
People always bring up the first episode of the show as a example of bad portrayal of time. Yet we have them receive notice of the king coming, we are told that they traveled for 30 days and we have the visual image of the direwolves growing considerably from puppies and Cat saying 'they grow so fast'.
The time portrayal this season has been poor, no matter how you put it. Im not asking for scenes showing travel but in this episode it was stupid as hell. It seemed they'd been travelling for a while as they reached the lands of always winter (what i perceived it as atleast) where the nights king was first transformed. Then Gendry managed to run back to the wall and send for a raven to Dany. Dany managed to fly back just in the nick of time as the fighting started. Stupid as hell man.
The time portrayal this season has been poor, no matter how you put it. Im not asking for scenes showing travel but in this episode it was stupid as hell. It seemed they'd been travelling for a while as they reached the lands of always winter (what i perceived it as atleast) where the nights king was first transformed. Then Gendry managed to run back to the wall and send for a raven to Dany. Dany managed to fly back just in the nick of time as the fighting started. Stupid as hell man.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Okay, so Bran = North Korea is either a meme or a leak or both.
They won't miss the chance to show the spectacle of the Night King riding an undead dragon.
...because they're sisters.
One person running with no gear or weapons will move a shit-ton faster than a group of people carring supplies and heavy swords and hammers. Dragons travel a shit-ton faster than boats and people on foot.
None of it seemed unreasonable to me.
VaultBoy101
Member
Bran = Night King is the dumbest fan theory in the history of fan theories. And the best "proof" is a gif showing them wearing outfits that are shaped similarly but otherwise not alike at all?
Just no.
Just no.
Relax this is just according to keikaku.
Lol. Ok fair point.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
So
- important mission that could save the entire continent of Westeros = too risky
- Jon in danger = fuck it lets go
Well anything additional would be interesting. Do we know if the baby is a character we've seen since it was turned? I don't recall if the baby being turned was done a long time ago or if it was more recent. Was that how the NK got his main buddies, like the guy who handed him the spear?
MushroomSamba
Member
I dunno, maybe it's just part of me that wants to believe there's more to the Night King than simply a single-minded villain that wants to lay waste to everything. It'd be nice to have more complexity to it, given how layered this show likes to make its characters.
ComputerBlue
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You said he isn't full evil yet though.
Show me one example of him being evil AT ALL...
Not having empathy, not having emotion, that's not being evil. That's separating yourself from humans who make many many mistakes based on emotions, see Jon, Sansa, Oberyn etc etc. and by doing so it's preparing for a war against someone who also lacks that empathy and emotion. Fire with fire.
The Greek Freak
Member
It's pretty clear at some point all the magic is connected.
Dragons suddenly back.
Direwolves and warging suddenly south of the wall.
Wights/WW etc
Red Priests going from useless tricksters to literally resurrecting people and having shadow assassin babys using King's blood.
2 years before episode 1 none of this was going on, either magic is cyclical like seasons or one thing caused the others to also be possible. (I don't expect this to be addressed even slightly in the show).
Ocarina_117
Banned
There were some amazing visuals this episode though.
I was driving home from work, maybe it was to work, and I had a realization.
Man, the biggest ROMANCE the storyline has and the authors FUCKED IT. I have so much vested into Dany and John and they just fucking fucked up their romance. They just FUCKED IT. I'm so angry. There should be an entire goddamn season devoted to this and they are rushing everything. So angry.
Man, the biggest ROMANCE the storyline has and the authors FUCKED IT. I have so much vested into Dany and John and they just fucking fucked up their romance. They just FUCKED IT. I'm so angry. There should be an entire goddamn season devoted to this and they are rushing everything. So angry.
ComputerBlue
Member
Do you forget why he was created? To destroy man.
It is his ONLY purpose.
Not everything nor do every characters need to have layers upon layers. It's okay for this to be that simple, he is the bringer of death. Death in itself can be pretty layered if you want it to be.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
May I ask why you think they've botched it?
Vincent Alexander
Member
Because Jon and Dany should be banging already, obviously.
There's an entire season left. But it's been great imo. Honestly a bit too good, I wasn't on the Dany/Jon train earlier, but they have enough chemistry that it's kinda redeeming Dany for me. I get that it's a bit unrealistic that they haven't banged already, but they're taking their time with it which is fine.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Grendy has been rowing for years. He has the stamina to run that far.
Technosteve
Banned
those fire swords did jack shit, no bonus damage no extra splash just regular swords on fire.
Honey Bunny
Member
Dragons getting there just in time, Jon surviving the ice lake and then Uncle whatever getting there just in time.. yeh it was one beat too many. If they hadn't shortened the episode count they wouldn't need to do this. They wouldn't have needed to send a raven and get rescued in the same episode and Jon could've stumbled his way back to the wall on foot.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Yeah. They needed to cut one of those out. It would have been much better if the 2nd dragon came down and picked up Jon. More natural then Benjen coming again.
+10 bonus to Swag (SWG)
Personally I would have been pissed if Benjen just sat around twiddling his thumbs while this massive battle is taking place beyond the wall. You have to figure he was watching the events unfold and was ready to step in when the moment was right. Dany risking another dragon to pick up loverboy who she has no idea was even alive after falling into the water would be ridiculous.
Ocarina_117
Banned
This is now my head cannon
Really? None of it unreasonable. The guy sprints back to the wall, the unseen mountainous terrain seems to be a helluva far way away from the wall. Going by the pacing of this season and jumps in time its natural to assume the squad have travelled for some time and he was able to SPRINT this distance. That's some demigodly feat. He also ran in the direction from which the wrights came. They sent a raven to dany, which would have taken DAYS, who was then able to fly back, which should also have taken a while, and save them JUST in time. It's contrived as hell. They've definitely shrunk down westeros to the size of the United kingdom this season.
Heck dany happened to know EXACTLY where to find them? Was she given bearings and coordinates? How? Idk man, there's some leaps in logic for this to not be unreasonable.
Edit- sending Gendry was also stupid. The guy who's never been north, never seen the wall and doesn't know the terrain? Send one of the wildlings.
RustyNails
Member
Dany is actually emoting this season which is besides her one or two looks she had for the first few seasons. She's laughing, crying and showing vulnerability. I'm liking this season's Dany quite a lot. And yeah she and Jon look and sound quite natural together.
But there's no whole season left. Last season has only 6 episodes, so half season at best. And then there's a dozen plots to resolve: KL, Winterfell, Jon's parentage, Euron/Yara/Theon, NK/Bran, etc. There just isnt time left to create relationships on the show.
I had this complaint initially but it's not that tough to give their location. North of eastwatch, etc. The giant army shouldn't be hard to miss.
Yeah idk. The NK wants to kill the three-eyed raven and children of the forest, and well, everyone. That's why after they marked Bran they stormed the cave and tried to kill them all. Why would the NK kill himself?? The three-eyed raven (now Bran) is probably their best defense against the NK, and Bran is the reason they know the dead are marching to Eastwatch.
Plus, I don't think the show will reveal any of these magical details. We've had dragons born from inert eggs from season 1 still remain unexplained, and why is Dany so special she doesn't burn? You know the NK doesn't burn either. Are they the same?
If a dragon went back I'd like it to be the dragon going on its own. Would further establish that connection Drogon felt with Jon.