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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Different people have different opinions. There is a big difference in tone and pacing between the first couple of seasons and what we get now, so it is not that surprising that people voice their preferences (in varying degrees of subtlety or lack thereof).
I mean, if you think this is a real pattern in people's reaction (I don't think it is) you've just highlighted the show has a legitimate pacing issue.
It's the end game so I don't mind the tempo. Every relevant character has been developed sufficiently.
I'm not a fan of the fast travel system. But it's not a real big deal.
But I hate all the TV hero moments and red shirts this season.
Dynamite Shikoku
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Sad!
Patrick Bateman
Member
I'm betting 10$ that in season eights Lannisters and Jon plus his gang will have formed an alliance, will fight the NK, Sam popped up from somewhere, made a speer of Dragonstone and Bron will kill the zombie-dragon with exactly that.
Spartancarver
Member
My reaction whenever someone died
Yeah that was both hilarious and confusing because I feel like if the extras weren't dying, they weren't on screen at all.
Plus I'm like 90% sure it was the same extra that died like 3 different times lmao
shinra-bansho
Member
Uncle plot device Benjen ex machina is a fire wight.
Umm, you do realise that pacing being poor either way is not good right?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Which is why it's frustrating. We get 7 interesting developed characters joined together from disparate storylines spanning 6 seasons and we get two 'I knew your dad' conversations and a few other small conversations and then we are into the action. I mean Jorah was cured of an almost incurable disease by Jon's best friend, and it isn't mentioned at all.
Plus the most significant character this season, Euron, being developed sufficiently?
It's the diminishing returns. When Daenerys first rode her dragons and showed off the power she actually has, it was impressive, intimidating and even pretty heroic. Now, it's becomes expected, formulaic and actually kind of embarrassing and corny. The show cannot just continue with her rushing in to save the day anymore, because it is played out and the fans, and the critics, are turning against the show.
The time discrepancies, etc, are people misarticulating the problem that the show has become simplistic. They are writing bluntly towards spectacle. That's what has changed - character depth and in-world realism is being sacrificed for simplistic heroism and typical high fantasy melodrama. Heroic moments happened before, but they were part of a larger story. Now, spectacle has become the primary attraction and the lack of intelligence applied to how that is acheived is dragging the entire show and world down.
The time discrepancies, etc, are people misarticulating the problem that the show has become simplistic. They are writing bluntly towards spectacle. That's what has changed - character depth and in-world realism is being sacrificed for simplistic heroism and typical high fantasy melodrama. Heroic moments happened before, but they were part of a larger story. Now, spectacle has become the primary attraction and the lack of intelligence applied to how that is acheived is dragging the entire show and world down.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I don't think anybody but Bran knows.
Randy Lanzarote
Member
Will the dragon even breathe fire, given fire tends to be the wight's worst enemy?
Ice breathing dragon...?
This is going to be even better than Iceman and Pyro's showdown in X-Men 3: The Last Stand!
Ice breathing dragon...?
This is going to be even better than Iceman and Pyro's showdown in X-Men 3: The Last Stand!
So far as we know, the only people with concrete knowledge are Bran and Little Sam. Littlefinger suspects - he knew Lyanna was actually in love with Rhaegar, and that Ned's not the kind of man to father a bastard. I very much doubt that he ever talked about it with her.
7he Talon
Member
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm not sure why I thought Cersei could know.
I was hoping it would get revealed to everyone in the season final, but I can't see any way of that happening.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Is Meera's dad alive? He should technically know.
The One Who Knocks
Member
Actually this does raise a good point (although not intentionally) that Qyburn's Scorpion will come in quite handy against the Wight Dragon. I'd imagine a spear of Dragonglass would be needed (as I'm assuming the ice spear is to dragons what dragonglass is to Wight Walkers, but that could be inaccurate) but at least they aren't totally unprepared (or simply relying on dragons) for that.
roosters93
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Kenzodielocke
Banned
Why the fuck does the Night King suddenly need to touch for bringing the dead back? Dude has zeros swagger just like the damn writers.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I assumed it was how the season was going to end. I mean dragons breathe fire and the wall is made of ice, so it would make sense.
Patrick Bateman
Member
Yes he is.
I hoped he would jump into the water and seconds later reemerge riding the dragon
Haloid1177
Banned
Stopped watching the show after season 5 episode 9. Finale trailer has like everything I got tired of waiting for. Just gonna skip ahead like an awful person.
shinra-bansho
Member
While Jon and Dany are knocking boots.
Can't cross the Wall.
FutureLarking
Member
Will the dragon even breathe fire, given fire tends to be the wight's worst enemy?
Ice breathing dragon...?
This is going to be even better than Iceman and Pyro's showdown in X-Men 3: The Last Stand!
The fire burst out of it's chest when it got pierced because there was big hole in it right? I'd figure it couldn't breathe fire properly either way now with that hole, he'd be flaming out of one side.
Ice wouldn't make much sense either but magic, who knows
How is the captured wight crossing the wall?
Man, I dunno about some of the complaints I read about the last episode over the last few days. The only part I didn't care for was Benjen showing up only to immediately get offed. Why Jon was kind of walking away from the dragon all macho like in general was a head scratcher since he ultimately ended up in the same place had he just rode off on the dragon.
It's a shame that all the characters now have plot armour to an extent. It sucks seeing your favourites go but it did add dread to every close moment. I suppose now with all the major players well and truly established, and no new characters really introduced and fleshed out in the last season or two, there's no one left to feed to the hounds.
I do hope we get some unexpected bits yet though.
I do hope we get some unexpected bits yet though.
Imperfected
Member
Possible reasons:
He's been practicing his meteor hammer kung fu in cave for nearly ten years and this is literally the only chance he would ever get to show it off.
This is all part of his plan to upgrade from a 50% Wight to a 90% Wight.
Like most Game of Thrones characters, he draws power from obscurity. He was confident he would be able to survive due to having no practical importance to the viewer, until that asshole Jon mumbled his name.
Because Valyrian steel is so sharp, sheaths for swords like Longclaw weigh hundreds of kilograms; there was no way the horse could handle carrying both the sword and Ben.
Two dudes on one horse is seen as homoerotic in the tradition of the Northmen and Ben is a really traditional sort of guy.
He really just wants to die so that he doesn't risk taking a step south of the Wall and immediately being declared DAKINGINDANORF by a bunch of useless twatting Northmen.
Gilly's baby? Is this a joke I'm missing?
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
My assumption is that Benjen just really, really wanted to die and figured this was his purpose and chance to do so.
I mean, dude has been undead for like, four to five years over the wall.
I mean, dude has been undead for like, four to five years over the wall.
I think it's because they want main characters killing each other and not having them die to a random wight. It does lessen the impact of the big scale battles though. I mean, other than Ygritte, which major character has died in a big battle?
EDIT: Stannis died to Brienne, Ramsey died to Jon/Sansa
Benjen said he couldn't go near the wall because it's full of powerful magic when he saved Bran
PLOT HOLE
Yeah it's a crap joke, especially cos I just remembered that the book Gilly was reading only mentioned Rhaegar and Lyana's marriage, not their child.
Imperfected
Member
Clegane and Tormund in a contest to see who can make Gendry feel the most uncomfortable sitting between them at the pub.
Plot hole.
Same as how Maester Luwin somehow had that letter from 'Sansa' when Robb took it south to show Cat.
FutureLarking
Member
Thought Bran broke the magic crossing the wall? It's just an ordinary wall of ice now?
Imperfected
Member
I mean the Wall has always been kind of a metaphorical barrier anyway, it's not like it extends into the ocean to stop things from just going around it. It's actually not super clear why it's been so much of a problem for anyone or anything, other than "Wildlings skipped the top of the tech tree."
This is beautifully put and nails the problem with this season.
Flew over it on the back of the dragon.