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[Markoman]

Just for Markoman, I hope the last ep is 1h and 15min of flirting and love making between Dany and Jon (and 5 min to show the undead to Cercei)

Given the ep title (Dragon & The Wolf), I'd say there is potential.

Lol, I'll take it if Jorah watches them when things get hot.

Concening next episode's title: I hope it's about Ghost and Zombie dragon becoming friends. I see huge odd couple potential here.

 

[bratpack]

damm dany sitting on that Dragon for 28hours? wonder did she poop off the side of it or make a few pitstops lol

 

[Kenzodielocke]

It was never implied, people are theorizing that he can with no proof really.

Theorizing nowadays comes pretty close to spoiling nowadays..

 

[Imperfected]

Do you guys think Dorne plays any part in future? Or will we see Elaria anymore?

I kind of hope not. The only even mildly interesting Dornish character who was left, even before the start of this season, was that rad bodyguard with the big polearm.

The Sand Snakes were always sort of shit filler characters and Elaria really isn't of the sort of caliber of the other Great Game players.

 

[Betty]

Do you guys think Dorne plays any part in future? Or will we see Elaria anymore?

It feels like they couldn't wait to be done with Dorne and honestly there's nothing there I want the show to revisit.

I also don't mind if we never see Elaria anymore.

 

[Zolo]

I hope we get to see Meera again if even for the final season.

 

[Ladekabel]

It was never implied, people are theorizing that he can with no proof really.

Oh, okay. People were saying with so much certainty that I thought I missed that part. lol

 

[zoukka]

Somebody actually did the math on the episode, and it actually works RE: Travel.

Amazing. All that westeros now needs to do is to dig a trench, fill it with water and kill one undead dragon.

 

[Vashetti]

Do you guys think Dorne plays any part in future? Or will we see Elaria anymore?

Nope, and Ellaria's actress

Spoiler

said she's done and off the show.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Theorizing nowadays comes pretty close to spoiling nowadays..

Yeah, there's nothing we can do about that though unfortunately.

It's been happening since the beginning though. Show only viewers should not have figured out R+J=L as early as they did. But they did.

 

[Sheroking]

Amazing. All that westeros now needs to do is to dig a trench, fill it with water and kill one undead dragon.

Well, this threat was defeated by a wall that humans have beaten.

So... maybe?

 

[Markoman]

damm dany sitting on that Dragon for 28hours? wonder did she poop off the side of it or make a few pitstops lol

You dummie, only flowers come out of a girl like Danny. Seriously, is it too much that we're asking for? One 10 sec. shot with Dany crouching behind a bush would've been enough to explain this.

 

[MisterShine]

Why are they all left-handed?

The artist is probably left handed: we often forget that right handed people exist.

edit:

Oh, okay. People were saying with so much certainty that I thought I missed that part. lol

He certainly has greenseer powers like Bran, or something similar enough. We know Bran can see the past and interact with it, can see the present and possibly knows the future? His statements up til now have been pretty ambiguous. There's also the issue of a possible Laplace's Demon situation: they know "everything" happening now so they can reasonably predict the future as well.

 

[bratpack]

You dummie, only flowers come out of a girl like Danny. Seriously, is it too much that we're asking for? One 10 sec. shot with Dany crouching behind a bush would've been enough to explain this.

also what did she use to wipe

so now that the time rescue thing has been mostly solved

where did the WW get the chains then?

 

[Zabka]

My intelligence feels challenged after this episode.

So many stuff that baffles me. The whole thing with Arya and Sansa feels so out of character. The constant teleporting around the world makes Westeros seem to be the same size as my hometown. And then the throwaway of cool characters like Benjen. Why even have the dude cast again after all these years?

Arya has been obsessing over the murder of her father and other family members for years to the point of committing mass murder. Now the sister who she never got along with and betrayed her multiple times is in a position of power and is found to have betrayed the memory of their father for the benefit of his murderers. Arya's anger is perfectly justified.

 

[effzee]

I'd love to see Meera, her dad, remaining Dorne army, Hound and Jon acknowledging Arya, Gendry mentioning Arya, Jon's lineage, Jorah mentioning Sam to Jon and all these other connections which tie all of them together mentioned in the final episode.

NOW!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Dorne was such a half baked shit in the show.
The only cool guy was Oberyn.
The rest was a bunch of forgettable people who just did the talk..
And it looked like they only had a few dozen people in Dorne at all.

 

[Markoman]

also what did she use to wipe

Depends on the area of her pitstops. Somewhere in the middle...leaves. Further up north...a snowball.

Edit: the chains were built in advance for multi-purpose plot-armor-transportation. I bet Cersei has a huge chain herself already.

 

[zoukka]

Arya has been obsessing over the murder of her father and other family members for years to the point of committing mass murder. Now the sister who she never got along with and betrayed her multiple times is in a position of power and is found to have betrayed the memory of their father for the benefit of his murderers. Arya's anger is perfectly justified.

But Littlefinger playing her wasn't.

 

[JDB]

Wondering if we will ever see Edmure Tully again, the whole thing feels pointless now.

I'm sure they'll drag 'em out for a dumb adventure which require zero of his skills as fanservice.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

You know what is weird? All the empty castles and places.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

When was the last time we saw him? It was when Jon was revived wasn't it?

Yeah, last we've seen him.

 

[Imperfected]

I'd like to see a rematch between Brienne and the Hound, or possibly a match between Jaime and the Hound brought about by the former. I'm hoping beyond hope that's the reason there was such a ham-fisted push to send her to King's Landing.

At the very least I'm expecting some reunion scenes.

I've also been pretty blatant in my hope that Cersei goes full genocidal "fuck the world" and joins the Night King. I honestly think they've been foreshadowing it for a while now. ("Everyone is our enemies. Everyone else," and the cold-blooded destruction of the Sept.)

 

[Sheroking]

But Littlefinger playing her wasn't.

Littlefinger playing everyone is the entire point of Littlefinger and always has been.

He wants Sansa to take power and marry him. Every reason he can give her to turn to him is a win.

I'd like to see a rematch between Brienne and the Hound, or possibly a match between Jaime and the Hound brought about by the former. I'm hoping beyond hope that's the reason there was such a ham-fisted push to send her to King's Landing.

Yeah, so Sansa could possibly make a move on Arya without Brienne there to intervene.

The sheer number of people who didn't get that this was the point of that blows me away. You have a scene where LF spells out to Sansa that Brienne would get between them, and then have Sansa immediately contrive a reason to send her away.

 

[Vashetti]

Arya has been obsessing over the murder of her father and other family members for years to the point of committing mass murder. Now the sister who she never got along with and betrayed her multiple times is in a position of power and is found to have betrayed the memory of their father for the benefit of his murderers. Arya's anger is perfectly justified.

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[MisterShine]

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It's been a while since I watched that scene, but wasn't that after Night's Watch Recruiter yanked her off the statue?

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

nm

 

[Kenzodielocke]

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The writers don't watch the show it seems.

 

[Einchy]

The writers don't watch the show it seems.

Or Arya is cray and remembers what she wants to remember.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

Tormund should have went. Because the feeling isn't mutual between he and Brienne and there are more interesting dynamics between she and Jaime and she and the Hound. Could have been the gut punch we needed.

 

[Zabka]

But Littlefinger playing her wasn't.

Why not? Littlefinger has spent a lifetime manipulating far smarter people, and he managed to pit them against each other with nothing more than the truth.

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And then Sansa writes a note shitting on his memory to Robb

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

That scene happened years ago and people's memories are so horrible that you can easily argue that she is miaremembering and creating false memories based on her hate and anger.

Or she is playing little finger. All I know is this really came out of left field

 

[Conkerkid11]

It's been a while since I watched that scene, but wasn't that after Night's Watch Recruiter yanked her off the statue?

No

https://youtu.be/PW6wfXPeJTw?t=208

 

[Imperfected]

Yeah, so Sansa could possibly make a move on Arya without Brienne there to intervene.

The sheer number of people who didn't get that this was the point of that blows me away. You have a scene where LF spells out to Sansa that Brienne would get between them, and then have Sansa immediately contrive a reason to send her away.

Sorry, I meant the writing reason for shipping her off, rather than the character (for Sansa) reason.

At this point in the story whenever a character goes anywhere I'm looking at from the perspective of the writer, who's saying: "I want these characters to both be in this place at this time so I can have this scene between them."

I mean, Arya and Sansa, whatever, Littlefinger, sure, okay. What I actually care about is the writers have moved characters I actually care about into proximity with one another, and hopefully they're going to do something interesting with them while they're there.

 

[effzee]

Arya has been obsessing over the murder of her father and other family members for years to the point of committing mass murder. Now the sister who she never got along with and betrayed her multiple times is in a position of power and is found to have betrayed the memory of their father for the benefit of his murderers. Arya's anger is perfectly justified.

Not only did Sansa protest while the execution took place, her own mother and brother along with other Northern lords all recognized she was forced to write the letter.

Arya, the master assassin who has been trained to spot lies and to excel in deception can't tell her sister was forced to write that letter. That she had no choice between writing the letter and dying herself.

What does Arya want anyway at this point? Sansa to do what? Die? Leave? Or what did she want her to do at that point? She thought if she listened to the Lannisters, her dad would be spared. He wasn't. They were going to kill her too. Did she want her to sacrifice herself?

Her anger doesn't make any sense. I was so pumped to see her go to Winterfell instead of KL but now I wish she went to KL instead. Maybe she would have stumbled into Theon and his Yara rescue mission. Would have been million times more interesting.

 

[Sheroking]

Or Arya is cray and remembers what she wants to remember.

Or that detail isn't really overall relevant to Arya's point: That Sansa has a desire for power, is less than completely loyal to Jon and is using a long history of Sansa's questionable loyalties to evidence that.

 

[y2dvd]

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Augh this sister rivalry is so forced. Arya needs to go back to finishing her list.

 

[Vashetti]

It's been a while since I watched that scene, but wasn't that after Night's Watch Recruiter yanked her off the statue?

Nope.

 

[ComputerBlue]

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To be fair, when Sansa does that it cuts to Arya and she's looking at the crowd in disbelief that they're cheering on for his death. Then after a quick take at Ned she jumps into the crowd to actually try to get to her father until Yoren grabs her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6wfXPeJTw feel free to dissect, or go by that Reddit picture and use it as source.

But I think news like that would have caused her head to spin a little and easily miss, or forget what Sansa was doing once it was announced that Ned's head was about to hit the chopping block. I don't think that line from Arya is as bad as it seems, not to mention plenty of people speculate that Arya is testing Sansa, playing the game of lies to see how she reacts.

Edit: realized it seems like I'm kinda attacking you, I'm not, and sorry. I just hate a lot of the theories and opinons that come from that place, so many people blindly agree without doing any of their own research.

 

[Markoman]

Didn't she shit all over herself at some point in the book?

No book talk in here, remember?
But yeah, would've been a nice way to start the flirt at the end with her saying: "I'm glad you're alive, Jon Snow. I've ruined my nicest undie to get to you guys in time"

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

also what did she use to wipe

Depends on the area of her pitstops. Somewhere in the middle...leaves. Further up north...a snowball.

Edit: the chains were built in advance for multi-purpose plot-armor-transportation. I bet Cersei has a huge chain herself already.

Just went off the side and had her dragon as a personal bidet.

 

[MushroomSamba]

Not only did Sansa protest while the execution took place, her own mother and brother along with other Northern lords all recognized she was forced to write the letter.

Arya, the master assassin who has been trained to spot lies and to excel in deception can't tell her sister was forced to write that letter. That she had no choice between writing the letter and dying herself.

What does Arya want anyway at this point? Sansa to do what? Die? Leave? Or what did she want her to do at that point? She thought if she listened to the Lannisters, her dad would be spared. He wasn't. They were going to kill her too. Did she want her to sacrifice herself?

Her anger doesn't make any sense. I was so pumped to see her go to Winterfell instead of KL but now I wish she went to KL instead. Maybe she would have stumbled into Theon and his Yara rescue mission. Would have been million times more interesting.

For those reasons, I have to believe she's playing some game against LF. Otherwise this just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Einchy]

Augh this sister rivalry is so forced. Arya needs to go back to finishing her list.

It's actually pretty true to both of their natures, we just wished LF couldn't use their natures against them or would be smart enough to realize they were getting played.

 

[Conkerkid11]

As much as I hate the Arya and Sansa stuff right now, she says before all of that that they're gonna play the game of faces. She tells a bunch of lies to Sansa. That's all there really is to it.

This can excuse her having been a servant to Tywin, or Sansa being distraught during Ned's execution. It's dumb, but in the end I doubt it will have really mattered, considering she placed her trust in Sansa when she handed her the dagger and turned her back on her.

 

[Sheroking]

Not only did Sansa protest while the execution took place, her own mother and brother along with other Northern lords all recognized she was forced to write the letter.

Arya, the master assassin who has been trained to spot lies and to excel in deception can't tell her sister was forced to write that letter. That she had no choice between writing the letter and dying herself.

What does Arya want anyway at this point? Sansa to do what? Die? Leave? Or what did she want her to do at that point? She thought if she listened to the Lannisters, her dad would be spared. He wasn't. They were going to kill her too. Did she want her to sacrifice herself?

Arya immediately conceded that she was forced and flat out said she would have died instead, had it been her.

Remember that Arya seeing that Sansa is less than loyal to Jon is the impetus for this rift, not that letter. That was fuel for the fire.

 

[Harmen]

Not only did Sansa protest while the execution took place, her own mother and brother along with other Northern lords all recognized she was forced to write the letter.

Arya, the master assassin who has been trained to spot lies and to excel in deception can't tell her sister was forced to write that letter. That she had no choice between writing the letter and dying herself.

What does Arya want anyway at this point? Sansa to do what? Die? Leave? Or what did she want her to do at that point? She thought if she listened to the Lannisters, her dad would be spared. He wasn't. They were going to kill her too. Did she want her to sacrifice herself?

Her anger doesn't make any sense. I was so pumped to see her go to Winterfell instead of KL but now I wish she went to KL instead. Maybe she would have stumbled into Theon and his Yara rescue mission. Would have been million times more interesting.

I fully agree with this. I hate this subplot thus far.

 

[MurkyZebra2417]

Or a 10 year old girl witnessing the death of her father amidst a cheering crowd from far away can't remember every little detail and has made her own memory over the past years of pure agony.

 

[Markoman]

As much as I hate the Arya and Sansa stuff right now, she says before all of that that they're gonna play the game of faces. She tells a bunch of lies to Sansa. That's all there really is to it.

This can excuse her having been a servant to Tywin, or Sansa being distraught during Ned's execution. It's dumb, but in the end I doubt it will have really mattered, considering she placed her trust in Sansa when she handed her the dagger and turned her back on her.

Yes, I really hope that Arya is only "playing" (testing Sansa)/ ahead of LF's game.

 

[Zabka]

Not only did Sansa protest while the execution took place, her own mother and brother along with other Northern lords all recognized she was forced to write the letter.

Arya, the master assassin who has been trained to spot lies and to excel in deception can't tell her sister was forced to write that letter. That she had no choice between writing the letter and dying herself.

What does Arya want anyway at this point? Sansa to do what? Die? Leave? Or what did she want her to do at that point? She thought if she listened to the Lannisters, her dad would be spared. He wasn't. They were going to kill her too. Did she want her to sacrifice herself?

Her anger doesn't make any sense. I was so pumped to see her go to Winterfell instead of KL but now I wish she went to KL instead. Maybe she would have stumbled into Theon and his Yara rescue mission. Would have been million times more interesting.

Yes. She says exactly that in the episode.

 

[effzee]

That scene happened years ago and people's memories are so horrible that you can easily argue that she is miaremembering and creating false memories based on her hate and anger.

Or she is playing little finger. All I know is this really came out of left field

For those reasons, I have to believe she's playing some game against LF. Otherwise this just doesn't make any sense.

But if she is playing a game against LF, why in private conversation with Sansa is she torturing Sansa?

No, I think at this point we can sadly assume the writers are forcing this drama and there is nothing more to it other than to show how "clever" LF is. Somehow Bran or Jon will intervene to fix it but for now, I think this pointless, manufactured, and the completely boring nonsensical story will continue as is.