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[samn]

My prediction about the end of the series (Big post ahead ).

Makes sense and the pieces fit but I wouldn't be happy. overly convenient Interstellar-like ending.

 

[Imperfected]

I don't think they knew that, though. That's why he killed the drunk dude that was helping her - he'd tell eventually.

He did rebel against the crown for marrying Sansa to the Boltons instead of returning her to Cersei though.

Yeah, Sansa was supposed to be undercover in the Vale, no one was supposed to know where she had gone until she reappeared to be wed to Ramsay.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Rhaegar was an asshole despising Elia, abandoning her and their children to run away with Lyanna, starting a war that killed millions.
Can't imagine Jon approving of that. He will probably refuse the Targaryen name.

That's what I'm saying.
Jon may accept who he is, both Stark and Targaryen. Mirroring his chat with Theon.
But he won't accept his birthright. A lot of the Ned Stark callbacks in S7's finale make me believe that he'll ultimately carry on with the lie that he is his bastard son.
Whatever happens though, I think Jon Snow won't become King Aegon Targaryen.

 

[Vashetti]

Did the plot for season 8 leak yet? Because I'm trying to watch this YouTube video. And I don't know if there theories are based on spoilers.

No leaks, it's all bogus. They only finished the scripts a few weeks ago.

 

[GrooveCommand]

Bran – OK how is it possible that little crippler bran is the Night King?not only is he the night king but has his action affect the game of thrones history in a number of ways. There are numerous hints at this during the show so far :
- The kid that takes Bran to the 3 Eyed Raven and even 3 Eyed Raven himself have said numerous times that if bran stays too long in the past he might get stuck in it.
- There is a scene in which bran witness the creation of the Night King where after it he asks the first chidren who they were protecting themselfs and they answer “From you”
- The 3 Eyed Raven tell Bran in their first talk that he will never walk again but he will fly.

a) when the first children say they were protecting themselves from Bran, they were referring to his people (humans), not Bran in a literal sense.

b) The 3 Eyed Raven is referring to his bird-sight ability. Also he very clearly does walk again as we have seen the Night King walking so that makes even less sense.

BRAN != NK

 

[Jest Chillin]

That doesn't simplify things that much on a production like this. As one example, take the scene of Dany and her entourage arriving at Dragonstone from episode 1 this season. When they land on the beach, that's a location in Spain. When they approach the gate, that's a constructed set in Belfast. When they move past the gate on the big rock walkway up to the castle, that's a different location in Spain. The throne room is another set in Belfast, and the map room is a separate set.

That's two countries and three sets for one scene. Then there's a bunch of digital effects on top of that.

This is true, but the efficient way to film would be to get all the beach Spain shots done st the same time, all the rock walkway Spain shots at the same time, all the Belfast shots at the same time. Which, I'm sure, is how they film.

The most likely contributor to a longer film schedule would be longer run times per episode, more and larger practical effects/stuntwork (fight scenes, explosions/fires from dragons, etc...), and presumably more post production special effects than previous seasons.

If they want to protect the conclusion, they may even shoot and edit multiple endings.

 

[ferr]

a) when the first children say they were protecting themselves from Bran, they were referring to his people (humans), not Bran in a literal sense.

b) The 3 Eyed Raven is referring to his bird-sight ability. Also he very clearly does walk again as we have seen the Night King walking so that makes even less sense.

BRAN != NK

Also, NK is walking all over the place, in addition to being flown around, and not actually flying.

 

[komplanen]

The only good thing about that huge Bran = NK post is that the time travel to Mad King (Burn them all [speaking to ghostly Bran]) actually might be a cool thing and something they'd do.

Rest seemed far fetched.

 

[AndersK]

The only good thing about that huge Bran = NK post is that the time travel to Mad King (Burn them all [speaking to ghostly Bran]) actually might be a cool thing and something they'd do.

Rest seemed far fetched.

And guess who used the rest of the wildfire (thereabouts) to go all ISIS on Westeros Baptist Church? Cersei. Fucken. Lannister.

I do like the show is steering her towards the most dangerous kind of stupid: The one that thinks it's smart.

 

[Doomsayer]

I have a question for everyone shouting fan service: Is it really fan service if this is the way GRRM intended for the story to end? Wouldn't this just be the progression of the story?

 

[Just_one]

Also, NK is walking all over the place, in addition to being flown around, and not actually flying.

Bran is warped into NK there for he can walks.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

I have a question for everyone shouting fan service: Is it really fan service if this is the way GRRM intended for the story to end? Wouldn't this just be the progression of the story?

People calling this fan service?

 

[DarkJediKnight]

That's what I'm saying.
Jon may accept who he is, both Stark and Targaryen. Mirroring his chat with Theon.
But he won't accept his birthright. A lot of the Ned Stark callbacks in S7's finale make me believe that he'll ultimately carry on with the lie that he is his bastard son.
Whatever happens though, I think Jon Snow won't become King Aegon Targaryen.

"My name is Argon Targaryen, 6th of his name; the rightful king of the Andals and the first men; Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and protector of the realm. This is Drogon, you've seen him before Cersei. Bend the knee of I will burn your precious Red Keep to the ground."

Davos - "You knew him as Jon Snow"

 

[Doomsayer]

People calling this fan service?

Read the past couple of pages. A lot of people are saying this season was garbage because it was pure fan service.

 

[gun_haver]

Read the past couple of pages. A lot of people are saying this season was garbage because it was pure fan service.

Count me as one of them.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

For me, Jaime leaving KL once winter finally arrives is one of the best scenes in the entire series.

Everything about it is just amazing.

 

[zethren]

Count me as one of them.

The story is on its way out, there are only 6 more episodes. The good guys have had some wins finally, and we're going to continue to start seeing payoffs and story arcs come to a close. That's just the nature of it at this point.

To some extent I agree that fan service is getting in the way of the possibility of some character deaths, and I do have a problem with that. But that said I'm sure we'll see a number of the cast get iced (heh) by the end of the series.

 

[Freshmaker]

There's a behind the scenes clip from the last ep, which I will spoiler in case you prefer not to watch those, but Issac (Bran) talks about finding out about Jon becoming heir to the iron throne and he's says something along the lines of

Spoiler

Bran now not being sure what to do with the knowledge because just as everyone was joining forces to fight, this new info could tear that apart.

That doesn't make much sense in the view of the characters. The actors thought it was icky, but that degree of kindred intermarrying wouldn't be uncommon with royalty in Westeros.

 

[Doomsayer]

Count me as one of them.

So, are you going to answer the question? Is it fan service if this is how the books end up finishing (yeah, right) as well?

 

[aBarreras]

"My name is Argon Targaryen, 6th of his name; the rightful king of the Andals and the first men; Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and protector of the realm. This is Drogon, you've seen him before Cersei. Bend the knee of I will burn your precious Red Keep to the ground."

Davos - "You knew him as Jon Snow"

seventh of his name

 

[Surfinn]

I've seen the finale like 3 times now. Character moments man..

That's why I keep coming back to this show. The characters drive it all.

One of my favorite if not my favorite episode ever

 

[komplanen]

For me, Jaime leaving KL once winter finally arrives is one of the best scenes in the entire series.

Everything about it is just amazing.

Yup. The winter coming to KL made that scene so much better.

 

[ComputerBlue]

That doesn't make much sense in the view of the characters. The actors thought it was icky, but that degree of kindred intermarrying wouldn't be uncommon with royalty in Westeros.

It's not so much about it being icky, but that love has been a cause of many problems, more so, this could put tension between Jon and Dany, and if not between them, plenty of other people might object and refuse her rule because she isn't the rightful heir, it's Jon.

Along with that, it changes the reason for the rebellion in the first place.

It creates a whole new set of problems. Not limited to, but including the fact that Bran could be making it up. Just because he can prove things doesn't mean he won't choose to alter them as he see's fit or to his families benefit.

 

[aBarreras]

That doesn't make much sense in the view of the characters. The actors thought it was icky, but that degree of kindred intermarrying wouldn't be uncommon with royalty in Westeros.

i dont think bran actor was referring to them being related and is more about dany feeling jelously of jon or something.

the whole dany schtick is that she is the rightful heir, but she is not, jon is, and we know how she reacts to thing she doesnt like

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

So, are you going to answer the question? Is it fan service if this is how the books end up finishing (yeah, right) up as well?

Eh, the show will always be judged like this as long as the source material doesn't exist.
If it ends up being the same, it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread because GRRM wrote it.

 

[Doomsayer]

Eh, the show will always be judged like this as long as the source material doesn't exist.
If it was the same, it'll be the greatest thing since sliced bread because GRRM wrote it.

That's kind of my point though, it's fucking dumb that it is heralded as fan service when no one knows how the books are going to end. Personally, I hope the show and the books end similar so I can see everyone whine about it.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

For me, Jaime leaving KL once winter finally arrives is one of the best scenes in the entire series.

Everything about it is just amazing.

Such a beautiful scene. They absolutely nailed the atmosphere of a dark, snowy, winter night.

 

[ComputerBlue]

Such a beautiful scene. They absolutely nailed the atmosphere of a dark, snowy, winter night.

And the music....This slow, ambient version of the main theme, with some synth, some choir. Amazing.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

This was the worst episode of the season, they have gone waay to far now into the fan service terriorty.

This season was the 2nd worst of the lot and now i only watch for the action. Fucking disgracful

And it was boring as fuck
Fan service after fan service

Guise, there's a place for fruitless, high horse type of whining ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1403814

Rhaegar was an asshole refusing Elia, abandoning her and their children to run away with Lyanna, starting a war that killed millions.
Can't imagine Jon approving of that. He will probably refuse the Targaryen name.

Danny somehow ended up the only one that's not a total shitbag of epic proportions from their shitty family, and she's has some misdemeanors on her resume as well.

 

[Heshinsi]

I need a scene like this organised by Rafiki Bran.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

I don't see how any of season 7 was fan service.

 

[mm04]

What would be funny is if most of the major plot points over the last seasons are GRRMs (and why wouldn't they be?), but he changes his final books to appease the folks who don't like the show now. The perfect beta test for him.

 

[Doomsayer]

I don't see how any of season 7 was fan service.

People will always point to Jon and Dany... it's not like the book is called A Song of Fire and Ice or anything.

I also saw people mention Littlefinger and Cleganebowl. Littlefinger was dead the moment Arya got to Winterfell and it's not like the Hound has a serious disdain towards his brother or anything.

What would be funny is if most of the major plot points over the last seasons are GRRMs (and why wouldn't they be?), but he changes his final books to appease the folks who don't like the show now. The perfect beta test for him.

Didn't he give them bullet points on how the books end? I agree with the beta test though, GRRM knows how to play the game.

 

[PhantomThief]

Littlefinger has had it coming for many seasons now..

 

[Hydrus]

Did the plot for season 8 leak yet? Because I'm trying to watch this YouTube video. And I don't know if there theories are based on spoilers.

Nope. Anything out there is 100% fake. All of it is just obvious predictions based off this season. Watch out starting October when shooting starts. I can live with some set photos, but hopefully no leaked scripts this time.

 

[gun_haver]

So, are you going to answer the question? Is it fan service if this is how the books end up finishing (yeah, right) as well?

Oh, I don't mind that it's not based on the books anymore, except insofar as now that they are far from book territory the quality has taken a sharp dip, so no I don't consider it 'fan fiction', which I think is what you mean. Fan service, though, yeah. This show has, possibly irrevocably, crossed the line from the character based anti-hero low fantasy medival brutal political intrigue show it was into a spectacle based pure hero high fantasy medieval soft-hitting dragons vs zombies show. I'll be here for the last 6 episodes but the direction this season went in was so much less interesting than where it could have gone.

I'll give a couple of points cos I was talking to my girlfriend about this last night, so most credit to her for the 2nd but:

- I was thinking during the quorom of Every Main Character, 'why are they meeting outside. cersei wouldn't agree to this as the venue, she knows daenerys has dragons and must be able to deduce the only reason she hasn't used them is because she doesn't want to kill a million innocent people, so why would she go to a remote spot outside of the city proper with open air oh wait it's because dany needs to make yet another heroic dragon entrance isn't i-there she is. i see.' Just one example of the sloppiness going on in service of spectacle. Undermined the scene, the staging was awkward - because it didn't really work, they just wanted Dany to ride in once again and we've seen this several times already this season alone.

- This is my girlfriend's - not enough throught was put into the character and political dynamics that could have provided the most amount of dramatic tension. Let's go back to when Jamie and Bronn survived the field of fire battle. Okay, they survived...and escaped to no dramatic effect at all? Shouldn't Jamie's stupid, heroic charge have had a consequence - how about this as a consequence: Jamie and Bronn are captured. Instead of killing a character introduced specifically only to kill him off (Dickon), but not cause too much doubt in Dany by killing a character we gave a shit about, have her burn Bronn instead. Tyrion's reservations become compounded as Dany takes Jamie hostage and uses HIM as leverage to force Cersei into a meeting - the wight plot, dumb as it was, can remain the same - but you instantly have an actual reason for Cersei to expose herself to danger the way she did in this episode, and a lot more meaningful pathos. Likewise, you can have Jamie and Tyrion reconcile over 3 episodes instead of one truncated scene, and Jamie can be turned around to believe in the threat in the north and try to convince Cersei just as he did in this episode, but so much more would be built into it because you would have seen the transition and gotten a lot of good character scenes between he and Tyrion, who would be dealing with the loss of his friend Bronn at the hands of the queen he has pledged himself to. Then the Varys scene where he and Tyrion talk about 'it's not me doing it' would actually have had some gravity.

Except they didn't do that. They just didn't do anything, instead. They shrugged that whole battle off, never addressed any of its consequences at all except Jamie saying 'we lost!!!!' and went north of the wall for probably the stupidest episode of the show.

Those are just two things, there are a lot of things wrong with this season. The core isn't solid anymore and while there are still good scenes in most episodes, there's a definite running on fumes feel, a definite 'just fucking throw dragons at them, the crowd likes that' tossed off feel.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

I need a scene like this organised by Rafiki Bran.

Ned shaped cloud to Jon: "Stop fucking your aunt!"

 

[Vic_Viper]

Has Howland Reed ever shown up in the show, aside from the flashbacks? Ever in present day?

 

[Izayoi]

Ned shaped cloud to Jon: "Stop fucking your aunt!"

Jon whispers back: "No."

Has Howland Reed ever shown up in the show, aside from the flashbacks? Ever in present day?

Nope.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Oh, I don't mind that it's not based on the books anymore, except insofar as now that they are far from book territory the quality has taken a sharp dip, so no I don't consider it 'fan fiction', which I think is what you mean. Fan service, though, yeah. This show has, possibly irrevocably, crossed the line from the character based anti-hero low fantasy medival brutal political intrigue show it was into a spectacle based pure hero high fantasy medieval soft-hitting dragons vs zombies show. I'll be here for the last 6 episodes but the direction this season went in was so much less interesting than where it could have gone.

I'll give a couple of points cos I was talking to my girlfriend about this last night, so most credit to her for the 2nd but:

- I was thinking during the quorom of Every Main Character, 'why are they meeting outside. cersei wouldn't agree to this as the venue, she knows daenerys has dragons and must be able to deduce the only reason she hasn't used them is because she doesn't want to kill a million innocent people, so why would she go to a remote spot outside of the city proper with open air oh wait it's because dany needs to make yet another heroic dragon entrance isn't i-there she is. i see.' Just one example of the sloppiness going on in service of spectacle. Undermined the scene, the staging was awkward - because it didn't really work, they just wanted Dany to ride in once again and we've seen this several times already this season alone.

- This is my girlfriend's - not enough throught was put into the character and political dynamics that could have provided the most amount of dramatic tension. Let's go back to when Jamie and Bronn survived the field of fire battle. Okay, they survived...and escaped to no dramatic effect at all? Shouldn't Jamie's stupid, heroic charge have had a consequence - how about this as a consequence: Jamie and Bronn are captured. Instead of killing a character introduced specifically only to kill him off (Dickon), but not cause too much doubt in Dany by killing a character we gave a shit about, have her burn Bronn instead. Tyrion's reservations become compounded as Dany takes Jamie hostage and uses HIM as leverage to force Cersei into a meeting - the wight plot, dumb as it was, can remain the same - but you instantly have an actual reason for Cersei to expose herself to danger the way she did in this episode. Likewise, you can have Jamie and Tyrion reconcile over 3 episodes instead of one truncated scene, and Jamie can be turned around to believe in the threat in the north and try to convince Cersei just as he did in this episodes, but so much more would be built into it.

Except they didn't do that. They just didn't do anything, instead.

Those are just two things, there are a lot of things wrong with this season. The core isn't solid anymore and while there are still good scenes in most episodes, there's a definite running on fumes feel, a definite 'just fucking throw dragons at them, the crowd likes that' tossed off feel.

If I'm Cersei, I want to see the dragons. Therefore, I'll ask that she bring them. Dragon pit is the only location. Of all the things to nitpick about this is not it.

 

[Albino_Yeti]

And the music....This slow, ambient version of the main theme, with some synth, some choir. Amazing.

So so so good.

I saw a youtube comment saying it would be cool if this became the song for the opening credits, and the map was a frozen/wintery Westeros instead of the normal one we have gotten. That would be an epic way to start the final season imo.

 

[Megalosaro]

This discusion is starting to sound like FMA discussion...

It's impossibLe for this show not to be fanfiction. It's not the books. It's been fanfiction since s1

 

[gun_haver]

If I'm Cersei, I want to see the dragons. Therefore, I'll ask that she bring them. Dragon pit is the only location. Of all the things to nitpick about this is not it.

If I'm Cersei, I'm extremely suspicious of Daenerys (she actually says in this episode she doesn't trust her at all, so why would she trust a meeting at a venue where she had an extreme advantage if it was either a trap all along or turned violent?) and wanting to see dragons, even as 'so this is what i'm up against' recon, isn't enough of a reason to drag me out of the red keep where I could easily be torched in two seconds and she could just fly away, so no, this is a reason to nitpick and I think I identified why the scene was staged where it was pretty accurately.

 

[this_guy]

All I see is a butt pooping.

Can't unsee

 

[ComputerBlue]

What would be funny is if most of the major plot points over the last seasons are GRRMs (and why wouldn't they be?), but he changes his final books to appease the folks who don't like the show now. The perfect beta test for him.

It's known that the major plot points are his....but I doubt it, he said in an interview a few years back that a couple people have figured out certain parts of his story because of the many clue's he throws into his writing and he won't change it because that would ruin the journey because the clues were there and now they'd lead to nothing.

A lot of stuff that happens in the show is laid out for us before we know it, sometimes obviously, other times not at all. I imagine the books are far more detailed and have a lot more clues.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

If I'm Cersei, I'm extremely suspicious of Daenerys (she actually says in this episode she doesn't trust her at all, so why would she trust a meeting?) and wanting to see dragons isn't enough of a reason to drag me out of the red keep where I could easily be torched in two seconds and she could just fly away, so no, this is a reason to nitpick and I think I identified why the scene was staged where it was pretty accurately.

No but she knows Jon Snow is there. Jon wouldn't allow a betrayal. That's why Cersei even says, I don't trust you, but I trust Ned Stark's son. Even Cersei knows that Starks are honorbound.

If there was ONE person there who knew there was no danger, it's Cersei.

 

[Doomsayer]

Oh, I don't mind that it's not based on the books anymore, except insofar as now that they are far from book territory the quality has taken a sharp dip, so no I don't consider it 'fan fiction', which I think is what you mean. Fan service, though, yeah. This show has, possibly irrevocably, crossed the line from the character based anti-hero low fantasy medival brutal political intrigue show it was into a spectacle based pure hero high fantasy medieval soft-hitting dragons vs zombies show. I'll be here for the last 6 episodes but the direction this season went in was so much less interesting than where it could have gone.

I'll give a couple of points cos I was talking to my girlfriend about this last night, so most credit to her for the 2nd but:

- I was thinking during the quorom of Every Main Character, 'why are they meeting outside. cersei wouldn't agree to this as the venue, she knows daenerys has dragons and must be able to deduce the only reason she hasn't used them is because she doesn't want to kill a million innocent people, so why would she go to a remote spot outside of the city proper with open air oh wait it's because dany needs to make yet another heroic dragon entrance isn't i-there she is. i see.' Just one example of the sloppiness going on in service of spectacle. Undermined the scene, the staging was awkward - because it didn't really work, they just wanted Dany to ride in once again and we've seen this several times already this season alone.

- This is my girlfriend's - not enough throught was put into the character and political dynamics that could have provided the most amount of dramatic tension. Let's go back to when Jamie and Bronn survived the field of fire battle. Okay, they survived...and escaped to no dramatic effect at all? Shouldn't Jamie's stupid, heroic charge have had a consequence - how about this as a consequence: Jamie and Bronn are captured. Instead of killing a character introduced specifically only to kill him off (Dickon), but not cause too much doubt in Dany by killing a character we gave a shit about, have her burn Bronn instead. Tyrion's reservations become compounded as Dany takes Jamie hostage and uses HIM as leverage to force Cersei into a meeting - the wight plot, dumb as it was, can remain the same - but you instantly have an actual reason for Cersei to expose herself to danger the way she did in this episode, and a lot more meaningful pathos. Likewise, you can have Jamie and Tyrion reconcile over 3 episodes instead of one truncated scene, and Jamie can be turned around to believe in the threat in the north and try to convince Cersei just as he did in this episode, but so much more would be built into it because you would have seen the transition and gotten a lot of good character scenes between he and Tyrion, who would be dealing with the loss of his friend Bronn at the hands of the queen he has pledged himself to. Then the Varys scene where he and Tyrion talk about 'it's not me doing it' would actually have had some gravity.

Except they didn't do that. They just didn't do anything, instead. They shrugged that whole battle off, never addressed any of its consequences at all except Jamie saying 'we lost!!!!' and went north of the wall for probably the stupidest episode of the show.

Those are just two things, there are a lot of things wrong with this season. The core isn't solid anymore and while there are still good scenes in most episodes, there's a definite running on fumes feel, a definite 'just fucking throw dragons at them, the crowd likes that' tossed off feel.

That doesn't sound like fan service to me, that sounds like shitty writing.

For the record, I 100% agree about Jaime and Bronn getting out with no repercussions. That was one of the most infuriating moments of the season, for sure.

As far as the dragon pit, I thought that was the best location for the meeting considering the past and what it means to the Targaryens. After Jaime told Cersei about the dragons wouldn't you think she would be curious to see them? Dany rides them everyone, it's kind of to be expected she would show up to King's Landing with her most powerful weapons, right?

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Jaime's definitely the MVP of the finale.
He knew the severity of the situation and immediately acted, he had his lords ready their journey to the North to prepare for war. A war with a clear side, no greys, just black and white, the living and the dead.
He was sincere in his preparation and Cersei stomped that.

And now he rides North alone.
Cersei doesn't know how good she had it, she had the gall to say that Jaime is the stupidest Lannister yet without him she wouldn't have had her victories this season.

Luckily he'll be valued up North as a commander who's proper experienced in warfare.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

Has Howland Reed ever shown up in the show, aside from the flashbacks? Ever in present day?

Not yet.
Meera mentioned him when she told Bran she was going back to her home.
I think he and Meera will appear next season.
He has a role to play as he is the only living eyewitness of the tower of joy event.

Luckily he'll be valued up North as a commander who's proper experienced in warfare.

I keep forgetting how big of a dick Jaime was before his hand got cut off.

 

[aBarreras]

i mean even danerys mention that the pit was the begining of the targaryen downfall.

cersei picked that place to remind dany that her family is not longer something to be afraid of.