again, why can't they fast travel?
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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again, why can't they fast travel?
The Artisan
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? but it's not like Ramsay can read Jon's mind and know that the Knights would be there. It's not like Jon's knowing of the Knights arriving would make them arrive any faster. Jon's tactics and instructions would simply be different to his men.
Who cares what Theon's own people think? They ain't shit either. They get mad at Theon for leaving her sister well all those motherfuckers fled too didn't they? At least Theon put up a fight as long as he could. He was slaying left and right.
thank you
same
or, photoshop was a mistake.
LULJorah Lord of House Friendzone,
Nameless
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Catching up on the last few pages and surprise. More travel/"teleportation" debate.
FWIW here's how GRRM approaches distance and travel(PM for the link since it contains source material info):
And here's show writer Bryan Cogman on how plotlines are juggled:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/
Keep in mind GRRM isn't even operating in a medium with strict time, budgetary, and production limitations. So while a scene with Jon and company on the ship en route to Eastwatch would've been nice, it's also an entire 'thing' they would've had to light, shoot, develop set resources & effects for etc... and for what, really? After 7 seasons everyone should be able to approximate the passage of time without having their hand held.
There are valid complaints to be made on the pacing/writing front - Several scenes have glossed over interactions the story has been building towards for seasons. While others feature charters conveniently keeping quiet about certain information to further the plot. This whole teleportation thing is just silly, and a weird hill some are choosing to die on with 8 episodes left ever. Spoiler alert. If they bother to show the journey at this stage something important will happen. See the Loot Train Attack.
FWIW here's how GRRM approaches distance and travel(PM for the link since it contains source material info):
And here's show writer Bryan Cogman on how plotlines are juggled:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/
Keep in mind GRRM isn't even operating in a medium with strict time, budgetary, and production limitations. So while a scene with Jon and company on the ship en route to Eastwatch would've been nice, it's also an entire 'thing' they would've had to light, shoot, develop set resources & effects for etc... and for what, really? After 7 seasons everyone should be able to approximate the passage of time without having their hand held.
There are valid complaints to be made on the pacing/writing front - Several scenes have glossed over interactions the story has been building towards for seasons. While others feature charters conveniently keeping quiet about certain information to further the plot. This whole teleportation thing is just silly, and a weird hill some are choosing to die on with 8 episodes left ever. Spoiler alert. If they bother to show the journey at this stage something important will happen. See the Loot Train Attack.
The Artisan
Member
the fast travel in Thrones didn't bother me last episode so much as the pacing.
If the episode was 2 hours instead of 1 it would've been much better.
If the episode was 2 hours instead of 1 it would've been much better.
The Artisan
Member
i want the story in an episode to not feel rushed. the whole episode could've been better if the transitions and scenes were longer and more fleshed out.
Can't fast travel while in combat.
Seductivpancakes
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Jorah Lord of House Friendzone,
Leave Jorah alone!
ComputerBlue
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It's obvious, Nameless made an amazing post but sadly everyone will ignore it because they need shit to complain about.
3 years ago, everyone dying is such bad writing, it was interesting a first, now it's just predictable. Today, everyone has plot armor, why bother watching when we already know how its going to end.
That little example can be applied to just about every aspect of the show. Including teleportation. There was teleporting in the first few episodes of the entire series but no one cared, now people are suggesting the final season be fucking rewritten! lol.
TimeEffect
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Or maybe they disagree?
The Artisan
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What did Nameless say? I missed his post
ComputerBlue
Member
Disagree with GRRM? Did you miss this part of his post.
Or did you just not read his post like I suggested was going to happen?
Funny guy.
DoomGyver
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Every sword needs a sheath, aye.Jorah Lord of House Friendzone,
The Artisan
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ComputerBlue
Member
I suggested that everyone will probably ignore the post by Nameless, so I thought you were just fucking about, like huh, which post? Trying to be funny and shit, lol.
Here. It's the biggest post on this short page.
soundscream
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?
Did you not read what I wrote? From the dialoge I reffrenced its assumed they are still holding castirley rock.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
House Friendzone? Making fun of Jorah's house?
Notice Tormund gave no lip to her about being a Mormont
The Artisan
Member
oh, shit. nah i wasn't fuckin around. i wasn't really part of that discussion so i did just skip over it
TimeEffect
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Sorry, thought you were referring another post, but I still don't agree with what you followed up with regarding the complaining.
Everyone is keeping up with the thread and watching at their own pace, so there's no point being fed up with people who are trickling in to leave a complaint. It's not just the pacing/teleportation, but it's the writing, which plays into the issues with teleportation.
Jamie's cliffhanger is a good example of this. It's completely dropped, nothing is followed up on, and the character fast forwards to King's Landing, never to have the cliffhanger mentioned by Tyrion.
It's fast and expects the viewers to imply the conversations/developments themselves.
Also, are you comparing GRRM's quote, for the books, to the show? If so, that excuse works for the books, but not the show. I don't know the origin of the quote, but it doesn't seem to apply to the show
Seductivpancakes
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He was involved in slave trade in Westeros which is illegal.
Damn! I think I hate him now. That completely changes my view on him lol.
The Artisan
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i'd like to think Tormund doesn't hold kids accountable, even if their heads of a great house.
ComputerBlue
Member
To add to this, they were poachers trying to steal from him. so it's not like they were just some innocents he wanted to make coin off of from selling into slavery. Dany knows about it, if anyone should have issue with it, it would be her and she obviously let it slide so you should too
I think that it's how GRRM intended, and it's something people should consider, once you realize it's intended that way, there's no reason to complain because there have to be sacrifices to stories. Or you can bloat and you end up with loads of filler garbage like The Hobbit trilogy.
Especially when in show form where you really have to squeeze in a lot more to get it right. This is something that has been happening from the very first book to film adaptation. You can't avoid it.
I do agree some parts are ridiculous, Euron for one....Jaime and Bronn holding their breath for 5 minutes under water/teleporting away from battle....Why the brotherhood was in jail at Eastwatch...
But, these are really far and few between...It's also the same people compaining over and over and over again, really just beating a dead horse and it's a lot of the same people who complained that Tyrion and Varys, then Tyrion and Jorah travel scenes were boring in S5, meanwhile, those slow, detailed travels are what they now want?
It just gets annoying that's all, to the point that I look forward to the Jon and Dany shipping talk just to lighten this place up for a change, lol.
SurrenderDorothy
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Could say what you like, J-bear is the man.
Benzychenz
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Saw a facebook comment with ep 7 spoilers from the leaked script. Fuck.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Thank you. Every time I see the whining, I keep thinking "we had a few seasons that spelled out the logistics of travel and battle encampments. We get it."
The Artisan
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was it like this last year?
ComputerBlue
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I'm 100% spoiler free so far and that includes the episode preview stuff since I never watch those either but are often spoiled for me via this thread.
No, but S5 was pretty bad when eps 1-4 leaked.
The Artisan
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four whole episodes leaked? not just the script? goddamn
ComputerBlue
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Yup, and all at once, before the season even began.
It was a different time.
The Artisan
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that may not be as bad as the actual script leaking like it did for this season I guess.
anyways, yeah like the guy said above we'll get that preview for episode 7 on Sunday too...then it's over. hopefully still comes out next year
not a huge fan of the term, but it's useful since its meaning makes it easy to apply the term in places where you talk about it.
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Was watching Double Toasted and they were talking about Cersei's pregnancy. I am almost 100% certain she is never going to give birth, and will use the unborn child as a hostage to force Jaime to do something, and eventually kill it. She is just going to use it to manipulate him.
molnizzle
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House Friendzone? Making fun of Jorah's house?
What is her relation to Jorah, anyway?
The Artisan
Member
i think she is pregnant forreal but will have a miscarriage/stillbirth.
they're cousins. her mom was Jeor's sister and died fighting for Robb.
broncobuster
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I can see her sacrificing the unborn child for blood magic or something.