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[EviLore]

Great episode. Logical and believable.

So called liberators, justice bringers or whatever they call themselves are tyrants. What makes them even more scary is that they’re not even aware that they’re tyrants. Due to their narcissism, seeing themselves as good people wanting to make the world a better place, they believe that their actions are always justified because their intentions are good.

Ironically, people who know that they’re evil have moral lines they don’t cross but do-gooders have no moral line because they genuinely believe that they’re doing good, the greater good.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." -C.S. Lewis

 

[Rentahamster]

How about you try and post like a normal human being, rather than this 'snippet here snippet there' devoid of context BS, or worst attempt to tell me how I'm thinking. That kind of thing leaves me wholly unimpressed.

So far throughout this thread, all you've demonstrated is that you're completely blind to the inherent flaws in Danys character that were seeded a long time ago. Your lack of attention is your burden. It gets wearing. Make cohesive arguments. Persuade me to your viewpoint.

Post like a normal human being? Unlike replacing my sourced facts with an irrelevant gif in a strawman argument?

I'm not telling you how you're thinking. I'm showing how your words indicate a flawed understanding. If I'm blind to her inherent flaws, please point to me a point in the past in the show where Dany killed innocent civilians or made a comment as to how such actions would be acceptable. Quoting some random line where she says "I'll burn your city to the ground" and lazily assuming it means innocent people too while ignoring the broad generalities of that statement and her specific actions to protect innocent people in her past conquests don't count.

 

[Astral Dog]

Her brother died like an idiot though in a very sudden "twist", i.e. bursting into Drogo's tent (whilst drunk & jealous of Dany, just as Dany is now jealous of Jon) & threatening to kill Drogo's unborn son, which predictably resulted in his own death (pretty gruesome one as well). People though were generally "fine" with that sort of expedient storytelling when they were laughing & enjoying the mad ride. No doubt some people can pinpoint errors in the writing or pacing if they get nitpicky, but my own point is the standard hasn't really dropped - it's just a huge amount of the fanbase is massively disappointed because it didn't go where they wanted it to.

Daenerys was always an enigma in this story, mainly because her entire "bend the knee I'm talking what is mine" made her no different than other Iron Throne aspirants, irrespective of her vaunted good intentions. The one constant from minute one in this entire world has been "kings & queens are invariably shit, end of". If people watched this show because they believed it was about Dany becoming queen after overcoming obstacles etc. they didn't pay attention to the warning signs, or deliberately ignored them. It's also a brilliant example of point of view storytelling in the sense it made people care for a character & ignore her flaws. That just backfired spectacularly last night. It also subverted the girl power trope (i.e. also women can do no wrong) which has gripped Hollywood storytelling over the past ten years, i.e. a pop culture reality which made most readers & viewers (even subconsciously) totally unprepared to watch Daenerys rain down hell & take "what is hers" via mass murder.

I was so, so disappointed when the Night King was killed because overthrowing (evil) Cersei & placing (super good) Dany on the throne was never a satisfying journey within the story they've told for 8 years. It happened, but in a manner which was extremely satisfying from my point of view because everyone stayed true to who they were: Dany wanted the throne by any means possible & has a nasty dark side, Jaime died in the arms of the woman he loved (his one & true love, irrespective of everything else which happened over the seasons), Cersei returned to being his scared sister in far over her head & Jon knew nothing. As usual. But now he does know something & the last episode should see that arc payoff in spectacular fashion.

Yep we can talk about execution, but overall this was an emotional episode that fitted the bleak world of Westeros, though poor Cersei who has been pretty much evil the whole series (except for her children) got a pitiful death. Kinda sad the most heroic characters get violent , horrible deaths while Cersei got sympathy for her baby.
I feel many people are also going a little harsh on D&D for the ending when its supposed to stay true to GRRM's own ending to his story.should be much better written on a book, but still the same plot points
still looking forward to Jon vs Dany next week :^D

 

[Kadayi]

I'm not telling you how you're thinking. I'm showing how your words indicate a flawed understanding. If I'm blind to her inherent flaws, please point to me a point in the past in the show where Dany killed innocent civilians or made a comment as to how such actions would be acceptable. Quoting some random line where she says "I'll burn your city to the ground" and lazily assuming it means innocent people too while ignoring the broad generalities of that statement and her specific actions to protect innocent people in her past conquests don't count.

I already did : -

That is some BS right there. She killed plenty of people along the way. Hell, she got her Dragons through burning a woman alive, a woman whose only crime was taking out her Warlord husband after his Khalisaar had sacked her village and she'd been gang-raped by his warriors.

She crucified a whole bunch of masters to set an example, even though it was unlikely that most were involved in plots against her. She also had her Dragons burn a few just on the basis of setting an example as well.

When push comes to shove, she's always been inclined to go to the dark place to further her gains.

 

[Astral Dog]

Great episode. Logical and believable.

So called liberators, justice bringers or whatever they call themselves are tyrants. What makes them even more scary is that they’re not even aware that they’re tyrants. Due to their narcissism, seeing themselves as good people wanting to make the world a better place, they believe that their actions are always justified because their intentions are good.

Ironically, people who know that they’re evil have moral lines they don’t cross but do-gooders have no moral line because they genuinely believe that they’re doing good, the greater good.

Well, to be fair, Dany did lend a hand to oppose some pretty evil cartoonish opressors that made slaves out of people, she did some good in the world , its just that her dragons made her believe to be God and rule over everyone

 

[EviLore]

Kadayi Mirri Maz Duur didn't just murder Khal Drogo, she murdered Dany's child and rendered her infertile. The masters she crucified in retaliation for their own crucifixion of innocents, 1:1, not for plots against her specifically.

 

[Tesseract]

i too call my nuclear warheads my children and use them to raze hostages to the ground

like go back and watch some of dany's old scenes, turn off the empowering music and watch this crazy woman burn and crucify and smolder everything in her path

she's dracula

 

[Blood Borne]

Well, to be fair, Dany did lend a hand to oppose some pretty evil cartoonish opressors that made slaves out of people, she did some good in the world , its just that her dragons made her believe to be God and rule over everyone

Even Hitler had some kind moments in his life, that still doesn’t negate his evil deeds. Nevertheless, I understand your point.

 

[Tesseract]

this bait and switch 'a villain is a hero on the other side' is so good, it's rustling people's jammies in ways i'd only dreamed of

you got lunatics on twitter calling d&d sexist monsters, it's so good

 

[EviLore]

 

[Rentahamster]

I already did : -

Yeah those weren't innocents.

 

[Jon Neu]

What Tywin did to House Reyn is consistent with his established character. What Dany did to the civilians of King's Landing was not consistent with her established character. That is the difference. You even agree with that:

It was established by her own father and brother, by her own Targaryen blood.

And let's not pretend we haven't seen Varys or Sam questioning her morals and basically pointing out her capacity to be evil.

Varys was trying to murder her by poison in this episode. He has seen more kings than anybody and he knew she was going crazy.

 

[autoduelist]

Whatever you may think of D&D's writing or vision of how this show should end, they can only do what they believe to be the show they're proud of and want to watch. Its how art works. They don't make a show for what they think GRRM would write, or what the core fans would want etc. It is their vision. Art is not created through democracy or polls. Now you can argue that what they created is trash, and that is fair to do so, but the level of vitriol thrown at D&D is unfair given the situation they're in. True fans can wait until the books for the conclusion of GRRM's vision..

I disagree. If you take a job at McDonalds and you can't flip a burger, you get fired. You slowed down a couple meals. Big deal.

If you take on GoT, you take on a responsibility greater than yourself. I am not suggesting they submit to popularity polls. They could have Cersei win for all I care. What I want is for them to stay faithful to the source, and they are not. They have made it clear they care about spectacle.

Spartacus is a good counter example. That show was great. It was over the top and ridiculous, barely tethered to reality, ready to drop to soft porn at a moment's notice. But it never promised more. GoT did.

 

[Rentahamster]

It was established by her own father and brother, by her own Targaryen blood.

Pointing out genetics is not establishing character behavior, especially when there are mountains of other material showing what a ruthless, "family first" lord that Tywin is, and when there are mountains of other material showing how there are other people with Targ blood who are completely normal, and the mountains of other material that establishes Dany as a person who is ruthless towards her enemies, but goes out of her way to protect the innocent.

And let's not pretend we haven't seen Varys or Sam questioning her morals and basically pointing out her capacity to be evil.

Varys was trying to murder her by poison in this episode. He has seen more kings than anybody and he knew she was going crazy.

That's called sloppy writing where you force your characters to act like retards because you've already decided where the plot has to go, despite how out of character it is.

 

[Kadayi]

Kadayi Mirri Maz Duur didn't just murder Khal Drogo, she murdered Dany's child and rendered her infertile. The masters she crucified in retaliation for their own crucifixion of innocents, 1:1, not for plots against her specifically.

I think Mirri Maz Duur is up for debate. IIRC she told Dany not to enter the tent but Jorah took her in there, and her child died subsequently. As for the Crucifixion of the masters, let's be honest here, that was kind of a bad lottery deal rather than a precision retaliation as far as the masters go. Also what about where she took the masters sons down to the dragon pit and had them kill a few?

Yeah those weren't innocents.

Let's hope you never do jury service

 

[Luffytubby]

I also really found her actions believable and logical. Danni as a savior tapped out a long time ago, and you could see her weakness as a leader from way back in the earlier seasons. After she had freed the slave city, she started doing stupid idealistic things. The way she compensated farmers for misdeeds by her dragons, displayed her incompetence and naivety.

She showed herself as a weak commander and leader at many turns. She manipulated Jon because she cares more about the throne than him. And she always cared more about power than being the actual breaker of chains. She wasn't even the real heir for the throne- In a region that fears her. Everyone has increasingly doubted her- Verys, Tyrion, Jon and others. They all saw it, but nobody wanted to admit it, and when the dragon died, Danni shoved that genocide was not beneath her.
Perfectly normal behavior in the context of sieges throughout world history. It is depressing how human she actually is. Because this sort of thing of where civilians and soldiers who had surrendered were not meant to be harmed, ended up being slaughtered in mass confusion happens all the time.

She is nothing without her dragons, and that is what the show demonstrates perfectly. We were meant to believe that Targaryans and their dragons are world-destroying forces of power, and we finally saw it here. Cersei's armies should absolutely be demolished. She is like a naive dictator thinking her forces can hold out despite being impossible surrounded.

Tyrion is a fool. He sold out Verys by immediately doing he did- betraying Danni by freeing Jamie. Jon is a fool. He had the hearts and minds of the people and he choose to be a side character who couldn't do anything. Blind loyalty. This is not the first time that Jons heroric good nature has cost countless lives because he won't even do a little bit of bad for the greater good.


In the end, I liked this episode a lot.

 

[Sybrix]

Ok.... so last episode ever next week.....

Bran has done fuck all so far, is it completely out of the realms of possibility that he does something magical and rewinds time, mind wipes everyone, goes back before Roberts rebellion etc.?

 

[royox]

She and the lust for power were the true winter that was coming all these years.

Well the books are called "A song of Ice and FIRE".

 

[Kadayi]

]If you take on GoT, you take on a responsibility greater than yourself. I am not suggesting they submit to popularity polls. They could have Cersei win for all I care. What I want is for them to stay faithful to the source, and they are not. They have made it clear they care about spectacle.

What Source? The show went past the available source material of the books a good few seasons back. They've been working to the detailed outline that GRRM gave them so they could conclude the series. He's even said that the series conclusion is in line with his conclusion. How much more legitimacy is required?

Spartacus is a good counter example. That show was great. It was over the top and ridiculous, barely tethered to reality, ready to drop to soft porn at a moment's notice. But it never promised more. GoT did.

Spartacus was guilty pleasure Television. Hardly comparable.

 

[Rentahamster]

I think Mirri Maz Duur is up for debate. IIRC she told Dany not to enter the tent but Jorah took her in there, and her child died subsequently. As for the Crucifixion of the masters, let's be honest here, that was kind of a bad lottery deal rather than a precision retaliation as far as the masters go. Also what about where she took the masters sons down to the dragon pit and had them kill a few?

7:19 Gives soldiers a choice to surrender and live.

7:45 To the masters who betrayed her: "Though our queen has a forgiving nature, this...cannot be forgiven"

7:57 Kills the other two masters who tried to throw the third one under the bus.

Let's hope you never do jury service

Are you taking our modern liberal democratic views on justice and civil liberties and applying it to a medieval context? That wouldn't be accurate.

 

[Jon Neu]

Pointing out genetics is not establishing character behavior

It literally is, that's the point of the Targaryens and their unique blood, that's the point of "everytime a Targaryen is born, God flips a coin".

Aerys was the mad king, but before being mad he was pretty similar to young Dany; he was kind, charming and generous, but he also was quick to anger (exactly like Dany). And after a series of traumatic events, he became paranoic, cruel and tyranical, just like Danny. The only difference is that we haven't seen the exact moment all fliped out to madness in Aerys.

But it's pretty established and foreshadowed. You may not like how was handled and portrayed, but all this hasn't come from nothing, it was all there.

 

[Kadayi]

- snip -

Not the scene I was on about. This scene: -

Are you taking our modern liberal democratic views on justice and civil liberties and applying it to a medieval context? That wouldn't be accurate.

I think innocence is a fairly self-explanatory concept.

 

[Tesseract]

why did jon have to tell the truth, ruin his queen's life's work and turn everyone against her, it's not fair

he is complicit, what a piece of shit

the people should want to love daenerys, she is the dragon and you call her insane

khaleesi did nothing wrong, she just wants what is hers

i'm hillary clinton and i support this message

 

[Rookje]

I disagree. If you take a job at McDonalds and you can't flip a burger, you get fired. You slowed down a couple meals. Big deal.

If you take on GoT, you take on a responsibility greater than yourself. I am not suggesting they submit to popularity polls. They could have Cersei win for all I care. What I want is for them to stay faithful to the source, and they are not. They have made it clear they care about spectacle.

Spartacus is a good counter example. That show was great. It was over the top and ridiculous, barely tethered to reality, ready to drop to soft porn at a moment's notice. But it never promised more. GoT did.

A job at McDonalds and something like writing a TV show are completely different.

If you ask Picasso to paint a sequel to a Monet, its going to look like a Picasso not a Monet. Because they have a style, it is art.

If you ask D&D to write GoT after GRRM, its going to come out as D&D not completely GRRM. As it should.

The post-mortem of something like GoT is that perhaps you shouldn't greenlight a show that has had its final chapters written yet.

 

[Rentahamster]

It literally is, that's the point of the Targaryens and their unique blood, that's the point of "everytime a Targaryen is born, God flips a coin".

Aerys was the mad king, but before being mad he was pretty similar to young Dany; he was kind, charming and generous, but he also was quick to anger (exactly like Dany). And after a series of traumatic events, he became paranoic, cruel and tyranical, just like Danny. The only difference is that we haven't seen the exact moment all fliped out to madness in Aerys.

But it's pretty established and foreshadowed. You may not like how was handled and portrayed, but all this hasn't come from nothing, it was all there.

The coin thing is a throwaway, hamfisted comment inserted to justify how quickly and out of character Dany's descent into "madness" was. Dany's dad became crazy through a slow process, and he was also suffering from schizophrenia and had hallucinations, which means he literally was crazy.

 

[Jon Neu]

I'm absolutely loving the Burlington Bar video of this episode.

They are all in shock and even in denial, the audience has been rooting for a villain the entire time and I love to see their faces in despair. Fucking George, he actually did it, the absolute madman.

 

[Tesseract]

I'm absolutely loving the Burlington Bar video of this episode.

They are all in shock and even in denial, the audience has been rooting for a villain the entire time and I love to see their faces in despair. Fucking George, he actually did it, the absolute madman.

 

[ruvikx]

The post-mortem of something like GoT is that perhaps you shouldn't greenlight a show that has had its final chapters written yet.

Dany's vision in the House of the Undying way back in season 2 showed the finale & outcome: a destroyed throne room (with ash) & her reunion with Drogo. I'm somewhat 100% certain the showrunners & Martin have known the ending since minute one. They've merely toyed with the fans & kept people guessing for as long as possible.



The people making this show were fully prepared for a Dany fan backlash because it's what they wanted. It's that moment when good versus evil was blurred & the Darth Vader of the show wasn't presented as evil from minute one, but sucked people into following & supporting (her). That's part of what makes this ending fantastic.

 

[Rentahamster]

(with ash)

Ash that forms icicles and doesn't kick up clouds of dust, and that somehow forms frost and then directly connects the throne room to a giant ice wall?

Yeah that's totally ash.

 

[Tesseract]

please post any and all meltdowns you see across the internet, any reaction videos like burlington bar

they are the fuel that keeps my life energy going

 

[Kadayi]

I'm absolutely loving the Burlington Bar video of this episode.

They are all in shock and even in denial, the audience has been rooting for a villain the entire time and I love to see their faces in despair. Fucking George, he actually did it, the absolute madman.

Had to be shared lets face it: -



Glorious stuff

 

[Rentahamster]

please post any and all meltdowns you see across the internet, any reaction videos like burlington bar

they are the fuel that keeps my life energy going

Yeah I was just watching that lol. I wonder how many of them have Dany's face tattooed on their buttcheeks.

 

[stickkidsam]

Great episode. Logical and believable.

So called liberators, justice bringers or whatever they call themselves are tyrants. What makes them even more scary is that they’re not even aware that they’re tyrants. Due to their narcissism, seeing themselves as good people wanting to make the world a better place, they believe that their actions are always justified because their intentions are good.

Ironically, people who know that they’re evil have moral lines they don’t cross but do-gooders have no moral line because they genuinely believe that they’re doing good, the greater good.

How can there be a better world without those who have the courage to fight for one?

Throughout the series these characters have seen their own faults and recognized their capacity for evil.

A hero is not someone who thinks they can do no wrong, but someone who recognizes their faults and fights to overcome them in pursuit of something better. When you stare into the darkness of your heart, a hero doesn't just resign themselves to it. Rather they strive to make the light shine brighter.

That's why this ending is so unbelievable. It throws away all of the development we have seen them go through and shits on the very world they hoped to create.

I'm all for a well written tragedy. As impressive as this episode was cinematically, this ain't that.

 

[Jon Neu]

The coin thing is a throwaway, hamfisted comment inserted to justify how quickly and out of character Dany's descent into "madness" was. Dany's dad became crazy through a slow process, and he was also suffering from schizophrenia and had hallucinations, which means he literally was crazy.

Hamfisted? Dude, that saying was quoted in the first seasons. It's part of the history of the Targaryens, part of their identity and actually one of the most relevant parts about the targaryens. Through history they even ditched the more mentally unestable Targaryens off the throne. You can't get more established than that. How is that hamfisted?



Even Cersei thinks that Joffrey could be mad because she and Jaime did what the Targaryens did (which is also foreshadowing for the theory that Cersei and Jaime are actually Targaryens, which would explain their incestuous infatuation and Joffrey's cruelty).

 

[Rentahamster]

 

[EviLore]

Danger hair with the "....why? ...what?"

 

[Rentahamster]

Hamfisted? Dude, that saying was quoted in the first seasons. It's part of the history of the Targaryens, part of their identity and actually one of the most relevant parts about the targaryens. Through history they even ditched the more mentally unestable Targaryens off the throne. You can't get more established than that. How is that hamfisted?

Because it's being used as a justification for an incredulously quick heel turn that contradicted 7 seasons of character development in 2 episodes. Those past 7 seasons that suggested that maybe just maybe Dany is not one of the crazy ones.

But oh no, let's rush her character to a place that should have taken at least a whole season to get to, and better yet let's justify this abrupt character change with an analogy to random chance! Yeah that's the ticket!

 

[Kadayi]

Because it's being used as a justification for an incredulously quick heel turn that contradicted 7 seasons of character development in 2 episodes. Those past 7 seasons that suggested that maybe just maybe Dany is not one of the crazy ones.

But oh no, let's rush her character to a place that should have taken at least a whole season to get to, and better yet let's justify this abrupt character change with an analogy to random chance! Yeah that's the ticket!

 

[ruvikx]

Ash that forms icicles and doesn't kick up clouds of dust, and that somehow forms frost and then directly connects the throne room to a giant ice wall?

Yeah that's totally ash.

She threatened Qarth with fire & blood retribution. But nope, Daenerys is good & the showrunners never envisioned her mass murder spree? Okay.

Getting mocked by an amateur sound editor on reddit doesn't really count though.

 

[Fbh]

I had my issues with this chapter but at least overall I'd say it's the best one this seasons, both visually (shit happening during the day!!!!) and from a narrative perspective:

- Dany has gone the expected way. She has been unlikable for several seasons IMO exactly becaus she always seemed to be just as bad as everyone else fighting for the throne while thinking that she was being just and good and better than everyone else. Her whole claim to the throne being "b...but my daddy"

- With that said her transformation could have been handled better and could have used more chapters. With what they had shown IMO the realistic reaction would have been for her to go after Cersei anyway with lots of civilians dying as collateral damage. Her going full crazy and just starting to burn innocent people for like half the chapter before even going after Cersei felt really forced

- Power levels are reaching anime levels of inconsistency. One chapter the balistas are extremely fast and accurate and the next they are slow and clumsy. Las chapter I was left wondering how the "good guys" would even attack King's Landing .... it's really disappointing that the answer was "Dany will fly straight towards it and basically win single handedly"

 

[PrCat88]

Killing traitors who don't bend the knee and submit to your authority is completely normal and something that Robert, Ned, Stannis, Rob, and Jon have done without anyone questioning their sanity.

"mercy on enemies"
The smallfolk of King's Landing are not her enemies. Bad comparison.

"how easily it was for her to use fear over love to get her way"

Oh yeah totally like this huh

Last night's episode is the point of no return (ie Dany has made questionable decisions but this is her breaking point). There was no need to kill Tully Jr. And Tyrion knew it. Even his father Randall didn't want his son to die for his decision not to bend the knee. But Dany made her choice against Tyrion's advisement all the same and she learned how quickly fear was able to break those men.

Posting accomplishments of earlier victories back when she gained and earned love as opposed to now when she's in the endgame, lost love from those closest to her and is now by a technicality no longer the true heir to the throne destroyed her sense of judgement and sanity.

 

[Rentahamster]

Not the scene I was on about. This scene: -

The scene where she's interrogating and punishing her enemies who are responsible for slavery and might be the ringleaders behind the Sons of the Harpy terrorism? Just a tad different than slaughtering civilians en masse.

Your examples so far have been weak compared to the many many other examples of her explicitly going out of her way to save those who are weak and punishing her enemies.

 

[Jon Neu]

Because it's being used as a justification for an incredulously quick heel turn that contradicted 7 seasons of character development in 2 episodes. Those past 7 seasons that suggested that maybe just maybe Dany is not one of the crazy ones.

But oh no, let's rush her character to a place that should have taken at least a whole season to get to, and better yet let's justify this abrupt character change with an analogy to random chance! Yeah that's the ticket!

Again, we are talking different things here. As I already said, you can dislike how was handled, feel it was rushed, etc... That's totally fine.

But saying it wasn't established when the series told you 6 seasons ago that the people to who that character belongs becomes crazy at a higher rate, is just wrong.

And yes, there has been foreshadowings of Danny becoming tyranical, both in the show and the books. At one point she even literally speaks like Viserys.

I mean, the theory of Danny becoming Mad is an old and pretty famous one. This wasn't something that came out of nowhere, lots of people already saw the clues.

 

[ruvikx]

The scene where she's interrogating and punishing her enemies who are responsible for slavery and might be the ringleaders behind the Sons of the Harpy terrorism? Just a tad different than slaughtering civilians en masse.

Your examples so far have been weak compared to the many many other examples of her explicitly going out of her way to save those who are weak and punishing her enemies.

You're defending someone who wanted to be a dictator from minute one. She screeched about ending tyranny whilst burning people for not bending the knee. She invaded Westeros with foreign armies & told the King in the North (Jon Snow) to bend the knee within the first minute of meeting him. She only "warmed" to him when he eventually (for the grater good in the fight against the white walkers & because she's hot) bent his knee. Game of Thrones never cared for people who craved power (just look at Renly's descent from harmless gay bloke to arrogant dead bloke after his lover whispered power fantasy into his ear).

Dany was simply the final name on the list of Game of Thrones players to reveal her true self, i.e. a lunatic with a nuclear bomb. Videos & articles were posted years ago explaining "why" Daenerys was always going to be the final villain.

 

[Starfield]

 

[blu]

A good show. So far we've had two episodes this season worthy of a finale, and yet the final episode is pending. Let's see if the Starks will stop yet another flipping Targaryen. Jon Snow better be ready to fight for his life. At least he won't die by fire.

 

[Kadayi]

The scene where she's interrogating and punishing her enemies who are responsible for slavery and might be the ringleaders behind the Sons of the Harpy terrorism?

IIRC these were the firstborn sons of the former masters. They're not necessarily guilty of any crimes themselves, merely suspicion. Yet the prescription is Dragonfire

 

[Jon Neu]

When her brother died, she just said something like "he wasn't a true Targaryen" with total apathy and dislike for her brother.

Her choosen one/God complex was out of the charts even before the dragons hatched.

 

[PrCat88]

Post like a normal human being? Unlike replacing my sourced facts with an irrelevant gif in a strawman argument?

I'm not telling you how you're thinking. I'm showing how your words indicate a flawed understanding. If I'm blind to her inherent flaws, please point to me a point in the past in the show where Dany killed innocent civilians or made a comment as to how such actions would be acceptable. Quoting some random line where she says "I'll burn your city to the ground" and lazily assuming it means innocent people too while ignoring the broad generalities of that statement and her specific actions to protect innocent people in her past conquests don't count.

Why is it that she has to have killed innocent civilians prior to her psychotic breakdown? When people snap and murder the innocent en masse is your first thought "show me proof she's killed innocents before to justify this behavior"?

There is no justification for a mad person. You can determine their motives, but madness is madness.

 

[Rentahamster]

Again, we are talking different things here. As I already said, you can dislike how was handled, feel it was rushed, etc... That's totally fine.

Then we are talking about the same thing.

But saying it wasn't established when the series told you 6 seasons ago that the people to who that character belongs becomes crazy at a higher rate, is just wrong.

And yes, there has been foreshadowings of Danny becoming tyranical, both in the show and the books. At one point she even literally speaks like Viserys.

I mean, the theory of Danny becoming Mad is an old and pretty famous one. This wasn't something that came out of nowhere, lots of people already saw the clues.

So, one saying about the Targ family = established character development, while 7 seasons of her actually doing stuff like punishing her enemies and protecting the innocent gets overridden by all that?

If you're "totally fine" with my complaints that her decent into madness was rushed, then why are you still making counterpoints to irrelevant things?

 

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Looks like the leaks were right... which means that the final big middle finger will probably make everyone lose their minds... well final 2 big middle fingers. Post credit boiz