star wars ruins everything it touches lately. I'm really starting to hate that fucking franchise
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Game of Thrones Season 8 |OT| A Song of Icy and Fiery Fandom
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star wars ruins everything it touches lately. I'm really starting to hate that fucking franchise
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
If HBO really really really wanted more seasons, why couldn't they change the showrunners? Perhaps they had a contractual obligation to use D&D.
Thank the fans who bitch an moan so loud that no one wants to touch any beloved franchise anymore.
Jon Neu
Banned
Yeah, Disney Star Wars being absolute trash is the fans fault.
Poor multibillion dollar companies.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Who doesn't want to work on any beloved franchises anymore? There are tons of people who would fuck their dead grandfather for a chance to work on Star Wars.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Interesting graph. The axes are kinda weird, but you get the idea.
SirKicksalot
Member
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got here...
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Kadayi
Banned
Been watching the documentary about the making of Season 8 , and regardless of where you may personally stand on the show or season as a whole I really recommend it just to get an idea of the juggernaut nature of the show in terms of the sheer amount of work that goes on behind the scenes in terms of the production. Pretty fascinating stuff.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
I'm confused by this season and the show ending. After season seven they mentioned two seasons, then they said they had crammed it all into season eight. If that's the case? Where the fuck is the content?
The build up in season 7 was amazing and IMO the best season.
The battle with the night king was cliché and boring as fuck. Blondie can wreck kings landing that has trebuchets, but the knight king cant wreck a smelly old castle?
Why did Cersei did in such a pathetic way? After everything that had happened, she died cause she stood under falling rocks.
The imp wouldn't have turned on the spider like that.
Arya's cool moment was a wet blanket.
Too many slow motion pauses and minutes on end with nothing happening.
It ended like 10 times before the credits rolled.
Not a deserved ending for a show like this. Very poor.
If the book ends differently and better than this, then they need to remake the season tbh.
The build up in season 7 was amazing and IMO the best season.
The battle with the night king was cliché and boring as fuck. Blondie can wreck kings landing that has trebuchets, but the knight king cant wreck a smelly old castle?
Why did Cersei did in such a pathetic way? After everything that had happened, she died cause she stood under falling rocks.
The imp wouldn't have turned on the spider like that.
Arya's cool moment was a wet blanket.
Too many slow motion pauses and minutes on end with nothing happening.
It ended like 10 times before the credits rolled.
Not a deserved ending for a show like this. Very poor.
If the book ends differently and better than this, then they need to remake the season tbh.
Jon Neu
Banned
I loved when the actor who portrays Varys throws the script visibly annoyed and one of the directors (the bad one) looks at him with concern.
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Spartancarver 117
Banned
This is an unfortunate situation where I feel like everyone working on the show EXCEPT the writers absolutely rocked it.
Like the people in charge of sets, cinematography, costume design, CGI, music (oh my god the music), as well as the actors themselves completely outdid themselves...but they were all overshadowed by having to work with what the writers gave them, and the writers just wanted to rush so they could go work on Star Wars.
Like the people in charge of sets, cinematography, costume design, CGI, music (oh my god the music), as well as the actors themselves completely outdid themselves...but they were all overshadowed by having to work with what the writers gave them, and the writers just wanted to rush so they could go work on Star Wars.
Geki-D
Banned
I like how this White Walker is all like:
*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got here...
-"Yeah bitch, I'mma fuckin' badass"
*Jon blocks his sword*
"Ah fuck, I gotta actually fight now? I have no idea what I'm doing"
*Dies instantly*
Maybe that's why the WWs didn't enter Winterfell till the end; because they don't actually know how to fight for shit. Is there actually a single WW that didn't go down like a total bitch throughout the whole series?
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KonradLaw
Member
I wonder if there will ever be a show like this when it comes to cultural impact. Seems only HBO has a chance of repeating this, since they have both the reach and they don't se the Netflix model that kills the hype.
Also I've been thining...GoT was something special, even if it went a bit off the rails at the end. Not just in budget/popularity, but also in scale of storytelling. Other shows are written season by season. There's no way a regular show will ever pull off something like Jon's true identity or Dany's vision....ie..plant storytelling seeds where the harvest will happen in 6-7 years. TV creators don't have the patientce for it and it's not surprising, since renewals are never sure thing. At this point pretty much the only way to achieve something like this is to adapt some fantasy series that's already finished. I'm hoping the prequel series will be good, but there's no way it will attept something like this.
Also I've been thining...GoT was something special, even if it went a bit off the rails at the end. Not just in budget/popularity, but also in scale of storytelling. Other shows are written season by season. There's no way a regular show will ever pull off something like Jon's true identity or Dany's vision....ie..plant storytelling seeds where the harvest will happen in 6-7 years. TV creators don't have the patientce for it and it's not surprising, since renewals are never sure thing. At this point pretty much the only way to achieve something like this is to adapt some fantasy series that's already finished. I'm hoping the prequel series will be good, but there's no way it will attept something like this.
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JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Two things I have learned this last week:
How many people disliked Breaking Bad's ending (I thought it was great, personally. Not sure how else it would have ended.) as I see it being compared a lot as far as disappointment to S8
and
How many people dislike S2 of GoT.
Maybe it is because I didn't start watching the show until S6 but I just didn't know so many people disliked S2. I loved the first four seasons immensely.
How many people disliked Breaking Bad's ending (I thought it was great, personally. Not sure how else it would have ended.) as I see it being compared a lot as far as disappointment to S8
and
How many people dislike S2 of GoT.
Maybe it is because I didn't start watching the show until S6 but I just didn't know so many people disliked S2. I loved the first four seasons immensely.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Babylon 5 did it 20 years ago.
KonradLaw
Member
No, it didn't. The payoffs came two years at most after foreshadowing. Babylon 5 showed why it's so hard to pull off actually. There's so much uncertaininity in tv business they rushed everything in S4 because they didn't think they would get S5 and they when they got it they didn't know what to do with it.
Don't get me wrong. B5 is still incredible achievement and the most epic tv series in history (IMO at least), but even it couldn't afford to wait for payoffs as long as GoT did. And if even a crazy-man project like Babylon 5 couldn't, nothing writen specifically for TV likelly ever will.
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Ulysses 31
Gold Member
What about Deep Space 9? They built up the Dominion War well. >.>
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I liked season 2 overall, but for me it was the first hint of how the show needed to cut things and change stories and characters around because it an't work the same way as the books. Dany's weird adventures in Qarth just seemed...off.
triplestation
Member
I'm gonna start watching a game of thrones.
Back when it first came out I thought it was some sorry ass fairy tale show with magic and dragons. I enjoy shows like breaking bad and better call Saul.
But I'm upset over missing out on all this hype. So I'm gonna give it another shot to see if I see it differently.
Gonna crack open a couple and watch the whole series starting tomorrow with a friend who's already up to date.
Back when it first came out I thought it was some sorry ass fairy tale show with magic and dragons. I enjoy shows like breaking bad and better call Saul.
But I'm upset over missing out on all this hype. So I'm gonna give it another shot to see if I see it differently.
Gonna crack open a couple and watch the whole series starting tomorrow with a friend who's already up to date.
Tesseract
Banned
what, babylon 5 did it 20 years and it did it better, that it didn't happen over the span of a few more years matters little
and b5 was a shoestring budget with ridiculous production issues, but it still dumps all over got
Tesseract
Banned
it's pretty good, peaks at s06 imo, although the quality of dialogue takes a noticeable dive after s04
Kenpachii
Member
Probably actor contracts and side projects for other actors which makes them have to wrap it up or reboot the series.
Also lets be honest, they didn't had much content also with it. Season 8 first two episodes honestly nothing happened like at all. I wouldn't know what they could have done with another season tho other then park the story again which they already did before and just slow everything down to a halt.
U gotta force yourself through season 1 tho, After that season two and season three stuff is getting better and better, season 4 is the absolute peak of the show, after that it drags no with some good episodes here and there until season 7 everything starts to go into high speed mode which gets slowed down massively in season 8 at the start again, but goes into lightning speed pretty soon after it again all the way to the end.
It's a enjoyable show and probably one of the best shows around currently.
The main reason for this is that everything and everybody feels they can fit into that world and aren't picked to fit a certain agenda.
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daveonezero
Banned
First few seasons. Fans Bitch about no action.
Last few seasons fans bitch about no dialogue.
I think Season 1 was great. I liked the first few episodes of Season 8. I wish they did season 8 ending at Winterfell and then maybe did another few after for season 9.
meh sad it is over and this type of show will probably never be seen again.
Last few seasons fans bitch about no dialogue.
I think Season 1 was great. I liked the first few episodes of Season 8. I wish they did season 8 ending at Winterfell and then maybe did another few after for season 9.
meh sad it is over and this type of show will probably never be seen again.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oh man 
Jon Neu
Banned
“We watched [Lost] every week trying to figure it out, and as it got deeper and deeper I kept saying, ‘They better have something good in mind for the end. This better pay off here.’ And then I felt so cheated when we got to the conclusion.” Martin also cites the Lost ending as the type of mistake he fears making with his own show, saying, “I want to give them something terrific. What if I f— it up at the end? What if I do a Lost? Then they’ll come after me with pitchforks and torches.”
I have to call out Martin on his sheer hipocrisy here. He slamed Lost to the ground while he is now singing the good deeds of those D&D hacks; he hasn't come out yet to critizice the absolute shitshow the last 2 seasons have been. At least Lost never lost track of it's characters, while GoT utterly destroyed both it's world building/lore/foreshadowing/build ups, but also it's characters.
Ironically, Lost answered so much more questions than GoT.
I have to call out Martin on his sheer hipocrisy here. He slamed Lost to the ground while he is now singing the good deeds of those D&D hacks; he hasn't come out yet to critizice the absolute shitshow the last 2 seasons have been. At least Lost never lost track of it's characters, while GoT utterly destroyed both it's world building/lore/foreshadowing/build ups, but also it's characters.
Ironically, Lost answered so much more questions than GoT.
He's a producer on the show and it made him one of the biggest writers in the world. He's not going to talk shit.
Jon Neu
Banned
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
How much of that was in Martin's power to change, anyway? Whenever he gets asked why didn't GoT go on for more seasons, his answer is always "Go ask David and Dan. I wanted more. HBO wanted more. They didn't."
This is an interesting quote:
The historians of Westeros
Former University of Miami student Elio M. Garcia, Jr. and his wife Linda Antonsson discuss their journey related to the popular HBO series, “Game of Thrones,” which began on campus.
news.miami.edu
Also:
dopey
Member
They were adapting existing books with compelling characters and storylines, when they no longer had the books as material, the show went downhill fast.
As for the cultural impact, Twin Peaks and Lost come directly to mind.
Kadayi
Banned
Also:
If only that was all he said. Oh no wait. : -
Look at that, way more to say about the show than that post implied.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Um, okay. Did any of the rest of that touch on the plot or the character interaction?If only that was all he said. Oh no wait. : -
Look at that, way more to say about the show than that post implied.
No?
Key point too:
Glowing praise.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Even the prince who was promised can't resist that sweet sweet candy.
Edit: Oh fuck, Kit actually went to rehab? Damn, I hope he's okay.
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triplestation
Member
I saw the first 4 episodes of GOT S1 today and liked it. It was pretty comfy and I *dropped* my jaw once during the first 4 episodes. It was nice getting to know the characters. Ned Stark is a great man surrounded by shit and shitty circumstances.
Kadayi
Banned
Honestly, your dogged shitting on the show is kind of pathological at this juncture (quit camping out at R/Freefolk). It's been over a week and a bit now and you're still banging on about it. Move on already (everyone else has). It unhinged petition signing types like you that put the likes of Kit Harrington into therapy tbh. The show didn't live up to your expectations. Deal with it. If you're lucky GRRM might pull his finger out and release TWOW and we can marvel at Stannis and everyone else getting nowhere in the snow for 1000 pages whilst reading about all the various horse, dog & cat dishes they end up eating.
JimiNutz
Banned
Are you 100% spoiler free? If so, this should be a a fun ride.
triplestation
Member
Yes 100%.
JimiNutz
Banned
WinterIsComing
Member
That isn't saying much lol.
And tbh, "magic" is the most bullshit answer possible.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Yes 100%.
This advice isn't spoilery, and has remained the same throughout the show's history: don't get attached to anybody.
Shai-Tan
Banned
This article suggests fans liked the last season (and presumably episode) of Breaking Bad
How Fans Rated the Last Episode of Game of Thrones (Published 2019)
Comparing fans’ IMDb ratings of “Thrones” and other popular television programs.
www.nytimes.com
and disliked bad seasons on shows that ran out of steam like Dexter and True Blood. Lost maybe stands out as one that people hate that still got good-ish ratings all the way through but the flaws in that show were evident in like season 2
edit: just wanted to say that I thought some of the episodes this season were pretty well made for tv. i liked the second to last episode playing out like dragon cloverfield. maybe it would be more evident their writing is bad after getting ahead of martin if they did try to fill in more of the story but several of those episodes would probably have been well received if they were placed in a less compressed season or two; so fans are reacting as much to what's there as what's not there
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Jon Neu
Banned
The most bullshit answer ever is having your characters say: stop asking questions, it will only lead you to more questions and frustration.
Which is the point of that Tyrion and Davos conversation about the Lord of Light, to tell the audience to "move on" about the entire premise of the series because they aren't going to reveal shit because they are lazy and don't really care.
MoFuzz
Member
Agreed, it reminded me of that scene in the diner from Looper where
Bruce Willis' character explains to his younger self (Joseph Gordon Levitt) to stop thinking so hard about the logistics of time travel, because "it doesn't matter", and then proceeds to pound his fists into the table, in an attempt to drive the point home, since the writer didn't actually have a point to make.
Looper was of course written and directed by film making legend Ruin Johnson, who then went on to light speed torpedo the entire Star Wars canon and franchise with The Last Jedi. Strangely enough, both D&D and RJ employed the same hacky dialogue to try and cover up anyone trying to think about it. Just shut your mouth and drink it up peasants, no thought process allowed!
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Geki-D
Banned
Not yet anyway. Lets await that deathbed confession. In about 5 years, books still unfinished.
He might get sued depending on the contracts involved. He could just say he changed his mind about it over time.
WinterIsComing
Member
Or that seeing the backlash over the series finale he decided to go another route.
Geki-D
Banned
To be fair, though, in universe these guys know all about this religion stuff so explaining it to one another would be odd. Though why characters aren't a little bit more interested in proof a God existing by way of it's priesthood performing literal miracles is a bit baffling. You'd think people coming back to life, armies bearing flaming swords and shadow assassins would have everyone siding with Stannis. It's also really odd how little of a role religion plays in the series. It seems like 90% of the characters are atheists. Pretty odd considering the setting.
Also I just realised; why the fuck didn't Melisandre ever give Stannis' army flaming swords to fight with?!
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Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Would you really care if you were as old as him though? His estate would get sued of course which he might not want, and it isn't likely he lied. Like you said he could say he changed his mind, which after a decade might even be somewhat true for certain plot points. I've actually been slightly worried about the show and fan influence (like the asoiaf lore wiki owners he communicates with) causing him to change plot beats he already had decided on.
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