Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Most people don't even take it seriously.
Topher
Identifies as young
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Okay. I thought it was a rhetorical question.This is what you said
I was interested in hearing how do you deny it.
Well, I deny the value because it isn't really for me. It's too expensive for a list of games that I don't even choose. It's mostly filled with Indie titles that I can get way cheaper on PC, especially if I wait for sales. I'm not a fan of XGS games in general, and them releasing on day-one on GP doesn't really do anything for me.
It's the reason why I have never subscribed to Game Pass, even though GP PC is much cheaper.
I was talking about Xbox only folks. 2/3rd of Xbox console user base did not subscribe to Game Pass (before they had to roll it into XBLG), which means that even the majority of Xbox-only folks did not find enough value to subscribe.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Guess the alt, Topher, come on
vaibhavpisal
Member
All I see is…
"I dont play xbox games"
Cool, I guess.
There isn't any legit argument to be made against value offered by gamepass.
Me this, me that… thats all there is to it really.
Topher
Identifies as young
So if you admit that the argument can be made that there may not be value for game pass on a personal level (which is what Phil Spencer is saying) then that in itself is a "legit argument to made against value offered by gamepass".
vaibhavpisal
Member
Yes!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
lol that is a legit argument, i.e., "I don't find enough value in the rental games that are usually offered against $240 per year."
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Liopleurodon
Member
So...
If Microsoft decided to end Game Pass service, and stopped day one releases on PC, and focused on exclusives for Xbox only, would that be good for them?
If Microsoft decided to end Game Pass service, and stopped day one releases on PC, and focused on exclusives for Xbox only, would that be good for them?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It might be good for them in the long long run, i-e another gen or two beyond, but as an immediate effect, they're gonna piss off millions of people, suffer mass cancellations to their recurring sub services and possibly more than one class action lawsuits.
Personally, I don't see them ending GP outright any time soon, if ever.
Kacho
Member
Even if they did cancel Game Pass (they won't) PC ports won't end. Their future is more PC/xCloud, not console.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
They can't, because Activision by itself is making more money than Xbox. So they can't sacrifice a known money earner to try to make a failing division more profitable. Xbox literally took on more than they could chew, and got taken over by Activision because Xbox was the smaller fish.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Right, I get that you don't use gamepass. So this is expected.
Doing everything legit, I pay some equivalent of $40 a year, for six months of subscription. Rest of 6 months I play purchased SP titles.
Will be disaster.
Going multi platform is a must.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Don't worry fam, I hear they're gonna shut it down before CoD 2024.
The dream can be renewed every year when CoD releases.
Arrapaho
Neo Member
I remember a more abitius M$
www.techtimes.com
Xbox Wants To Get to 3 Billion Players With or Without Consoles, Says Publishing Head
Xbox wants to gain a massive amount of market share in the future: 3 billion players and they plan to bring their games to people with or without Xbox consoles.
www.techtimes.com
KungFucius
King Snowflake
Huh? People who took advantage of a trick to save themselves money to get something they like for cheaper didn't actually like it enough to pay for it because they didn't not use the available trick to save money? That is utter fucking nonsense. What other things do you believe, that people who buy things on sale are assholes and should have paid full price if they really liked what they scored a deal on. Or people who haggle a car dealer should just walk instead because they don't believe driving is worth it?
DeltaPolarBear
Member
No, we are just saying the whole point of being a fan is to spend more money. So we are judging the alleged fans of Xbox for not realizing that their actions directly impacted the profitability of Xbox as a whole.
If you are a fan, you pay more. That works for any fan of any type, even sports. To not willing to pay more means you are in it for the short term, to milk the bargains before it goes away. And now, finally, it is going away.
We are not "really" judging you. We are just saying actions have consequences.
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Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Meanwhile, we have threads here on Gaf where the biggest xbox fans discuss ways to buy subs for cheap because it isn't worth it fullprice.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
This is dumb logic. Using a deal and saving money is just smart. Doesn't mean you don't value whatever you are buying.
You'd be right if you knew for a fact that those "biggest Xbox fans" wouldn't subscribe to GamePass if those deals weren't there, but you don't know.
I buy cheap keys for GamePass off of key sites. If I couldn't do that, I'd pay the normal price.
Someone said above that paying more makes you more of a "fan". Incorrect. Paying full price when there are cheaper avenues just makes you a sucker. Congrats.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
That means you are in it for your own benefit. You don't love the thing you buy at all. Fans want to nurture and grow what they love so there will be more of what they love produced. if you just want to slash and burn and gain economically in any way you can, you get the fall of Xbox. it is all correlated. You spend, you get more in the long run. You don't spend, you get more in the short run but it ends.
Who is the sucker, the one who still has a console ecosystem to hold all their past purchases, perhaps for decades to come, or the one who is about to lose a large chunk of their library because the ecosystem is being dismantled?
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
True, both statements don't exclude eachother though.
No, but we do know there are people in here that say they only sub for a month for a game they really want to play for cheap and then let it be again.
This is completely fair. No argument there.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
BlackTron
Gold Member
They did. Internally people tried to warn Phil and stop him, but he wanted to push this. He is personally responsible for killing Xbox which is impressive after someone else already killed it.
Apparently, it had 3 lives. RROD, One reveal with MCC launch, and then Series with Infinite and Gamepass. It feels like when Starfield came out it was on the harrowing "0 life" where your one job is to find a 1up but just fall in the first pit because you're nervous.
All critical points that they had full control over with no impact from their competition. Xbox has to completely own its own failure.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You might as well laugh at vintage car owners. "haha! Your car would depreciate in value!" "But I love these cars." "You are a sucker that you buy what you enjoy rather than what makes you the most money!"
Again, congrats on being a sucker I guess.
Money is meant to be spent to make your life better. I guess you are in the money for money's sake stage of life.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
It'll be ok, man. People can spend their money on whatever they want. You're the one taking down to people because they don't spend it the way you want them to.