Game Pass Is "Not For Everybody," says Phil Spencer

It's insane to think that one day someone in a MS meeting said "if we give them all the games for nearly free, they will all buy full priced games later!" and everyone in the room agreed to it.
From an old tweet from Tom Warren, people at Microsoft found the whole concept of putting games day one on the service as stupid but Phil pushed for it anyway. I recall Tom Warren was like "these people didn't see how well it is doing now"
 
Once those servers shutdown.
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What does that have to do with my hundreds of older, physical games? Nothing. They'll still work, like they always have, without internet. Servers... LOL!
 
Imagine being so bad at managing studios that you convinced your boss to let everyone convert prepaid online access to 3 years of free games for a dollar. And then still need to spend almost 100 billion to get content people want for your subscription service. And then still have to do the walk of shame when it didn't work.

Legendary I tell you.
Really surprised changes have not been made
 
It's the idiocy of your meaningless interpretations. If you had a little knowledge of the markets and these data, you'd understand the ridiculousness of suggesting a positive situation for Apple, Google, Nvidia, Sony, etc., in contrast to a negative one for MS.

But hey! I assume you're a lost cause and that your hatred is stronger than your willingness to make interpretations

Where did I suggest a positive situation for the rest? Your comprehension is so lacking. I said Microsoft's performance hasn't been good for a year. That's just a fact. All the companies I listed might run into their own issues around tariffs and the global economy, but that doesn't change the fact that Microsoft has had like 8 out 9 straight weeks of decline and their next earnings isn't going to be great either.


Ignoring? What's there to ignore? It's clear how they're trying to recoup their investment... it's another thing to want to believe they're doing it with the intention of shutting down XBOX...

Ignoring Spencer's own statements.

Oh my goodness 😂😂😂

What big company do you think had a good year? When all of them have lost a significant percentage of their value?
The fact is that MS is the one that has performed best, even with the doubts about AI investments. Aside from Nvidia and its boom (which is now declining), it's been a turbulent year for all the Big Tech companies. And no, Xbox hasn't had anything to do with it.

Apple has had a great year...

Ladies and gentlemen, a visionary here 😂😂😂

LOL, as if predicting layoffs in these times were something worthy of praise.

Dismissing layoffs ahead of time

Anyway, another example of interpreting based on dislike for a brand. The use of a yardstick.

It's a shame your sixth sense for predicting layoffs at MS doesn't work with the layoffs at Sony, the closure of studios, and the massive cancellation of projects... But of course, in those threads you're trying to make people believe they're simple decisions that have nothing to do with the business situation. 🤷


That one of the clearest examples of an Xbox hater, whose entire participation in this forum is limited to demonstrating that hatred, criticizing everything that sounds like Xbox, wishing for its end... while not having the slightest critical thought towards Sony, talks about "unserious" people..... Let me laugh....

#only in Neogaf

I've predicted layoffs/studio closures being likely for Sony studios as well. Bend, Media Molecule, Firesprite are all facing the likelihood of closures/layoffs.

You can literally look up my post history and confirm that, but you're just a fanboy/warrior.
 
Really surprised changes have not been made
What changes can they realistically make?

If they stop selling games separately for full price and only make them available on Gamepass, revenue effectively drops to zero

If they execute their original plan of making all the Bethesda and ABK games Xbox exclusive, they'll have the wrath of sovereign governments on them

If they stop putting games in it Day 1, they'll have everyone cancel their subs and sue them

Their only real options are either keep jacking up the price, which will only put a bandaid on the wound in the short term, or just shut the whole thing down and write it off for tax purposes

Let's see what they do I guess
 
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I've had GamePass and Ultimate since its inception due to the long term deals/glitches that were available.
I think they made more money from me than I saved.
Of all the available games they offered, I actually only played Starfield and maybe one more.
But then they removed those deals, I finally stop subscribing.
There is zero I miss about it now.
It has amazing perks but none that I really use especially at the price point they are asking.
 
They're going to keep GP running though for the next 10 years, minimum.
Oh I agree they'll keep around, it's just going to change. It will be what you subscribe to if you want to play back catalogue titles or indies/third parties.
and it's still possible people could transition more to cloud / subs over the next decade like they have in every other form of media.
Anything is possible. I just don't see a mass migration to cloud gaming, just like with VR. It serves a niche and that's it. Digital game libraries on dedicated hardware is where it's at. The way you drive people to your ecosystem is with good exclusive games, not services.
 
I think if phil wanna ask players to buy microsoft games he needs some srs wingman for that, i think one former concord dev is free and looking for the gig, he did some "freelancing" for marathon devteam but real fulltime job gotta come from microsoft :P
 
So with the state of the industry where when a game doesn't sell enough, the devs are being layed-off, not buying games and opting for a monthly sbuscription is the common sense ?
Extraordinary take when fairly recently two high profile games HiFi Rush and Redfall, sold nothing ,was put out to die on Game pass with no marketing, and had their studios shut down shortly afterwards.
 
Extraordinary take when fairly recently two high profile games HiFi Rush and Redfall, sold nothing ,was put out to die on Game pass with no marketing, and had their studios shut down shortly afterwards.

How can games be both "high profile" and also have "no marketing"?

Redfall was marketed a ton and was just a trash game. It wasn't "put out to die" just on GamePass. You could also buy it at retail. The studio deserved to be shut down for such an awful game.

HiFi was not a high profile game, it was a shadow drop. You can't really market a shadow drop that no one even knew existed. That definitely hurt sales for the game but it wouldn't have saved the studio.
 
Extraordinary take when fairly recently two high profile games HiFi Rush and Redfall, sold nothing ,was put out to die on Game pass with no marketing, and had their studios shut down shortly afterwards.
Trying a clever comeback Huh?

Hi-Fi rush wasn't just put out on Gamepass to die but also come out on rival consoles and still sold like crap not that Tango Works had any big sales numbers their last game before Hi-Fi Ghost also sold like crap so the Studio was under closer pressure before the buyout I bet and it wasn't like Evil With In sold in massive numbers, though I still think the studio should have been allowed to try one more big IP
Given the state of Redfall, I think Xbox was within its right to close down the studio

What got to me more was getting rid of Toys For Bob, which made no sense to me given Xbox's lack of games that can appeal to kids
 
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Yep! He is clearly setting up a permission structure for the hardcore Xbox fans to finally give in to the reality that game pass will not be Xbox's main priority Focus going forward.
Even the most hardcore Xbox fans who promoted GamePass stacked monthly subs at $1 because they too knew it wasn't worth it full price.

Only the dumbest of the dumbest believed in Xbox' strategy.
 
How can games be both "high profile" and also have "no marketing"?

Redfall was marketed a ton and was just a trash game. It wasn't "put out to die" just on GamePass. You could also buy it at retail. The studio deserved to be shut down for such an awful game.

HiFi was not a high profile game, it was a shadow drop. You can't really market a shadow drop that no one even knew existed. That definitely hurt sales for the game but it wouldn't have saved the studio.
Redfall in particular was hyped massively by online communities for what felt like years. And when It was realised by all that the game was broken, it released with no marketing and sent out to die.

And HiFi Rush was award winning and very well received. And it has shadow dropped with no marketing.
 
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Not sure why people do this, but, can we please post the original sources for interviews or article reporting.

This is like get a 2nd hand account retelling of an eye witness testimony. Its always going to be reworded in bias of the re-teller.

Microsoft Gaming Chief Phil Spencer on 'A Minecraft Movie' Gamble, 'Fallout' Season 2 and Mixing Hollywood Pursuits With Xbox Biz Priorities
How are you viewing Game Pass's ongoing role in the larger Xbox business right now?

I'll start with just how many people are playing games. And I've always thought about Game Pass as just another option for somebody who wants to play. We have many business models for people playing from free to play, buying games, discounted games, Game Pass is an option. So when I'm looking at Game Pass, I want to make sure the hours that people are playing continue to go up, that new people see this as a way for them to find and build their library of games, and we remain focused on that. Our biggest areas of growth right now are PC and Cloud, which makes sense, since consoles, all up, are a good business, they're an established business, but they're not really a growing segment in gaming. So we've got good growth on PC, we've got growth on Cloud, in terms of users and hours. And console continues to be a really healthy part of Game Pass. But there isn't a unique need for Game Pass to be the only way for people to play. If everybody who's a Game Pass subscriber instead decided to buy their games, that's good for the business as well.

For me, I look at Game Pass as a healthy option for certain people. It's not for everybody. If you play one or two games a year, Game Pass probably isn't the right business model for you, you should just buy those two games, and that would make total sense. But I want you to have the choice. So we remain focused on everything that's on Game Pass is also available to buy. We're making those games available to buy in more places. And I look at the overall hours of people who are playing on Xbox, playing our games, and that's a number that continues to grow fairly substantially, and that's really the metric I think about for success. And Game Pass has been an important part of that, but I don't try to solve for Game Pass specifically on its own. It's kind of part of the equation for Xbox finding new players.
 
Is this the most honest thing to come out of Phil Spencer's mouth, ever? It just might be.
I see more as an admission of defeat. He spent the last 6 years blowing smoke up our ass about how great/successful/sustainable Game Pass was in a effort to convince us to subscribe and it didn't work. This is just step one in their effort to deprioritize it so they can blow smoke up our ass about something else.
 
They're going to phase out GP by making it so expensive and undesirable that people just move away from it and then one day it'll probably be gone.

Activision was the largest 3rd party publisher in the business... All their games going to GP day 1 is a massive destruction in value and they're seeing it. People also devalue their game and don't want to buy it as much if it's also on GP because people just assume their games are GP fodder.

They've created a nasty cycle.

Whenever Phil starts doing interviews, bad news comes pretty swiftly. In this case we're going to hear a lot of announcements in June that will upset a lot of Xbox fans include Gears going to PS5 on day 1 and it'll probably be joined with news of the Gears Trilogy coming to PS5 as well. In fact I'm pretty sure all the games they reveal at their showcase are going to be coming to PS5 on day 1.

It's usually 60-90 days later, when the "bad news" drops.
 
"I can firmly say that if we don't make more progress [with Game Pass - ed. note] beyond consoles, we will withdraw from the game industry. If that were to happen, I don't think we would still exist in this business.

Most of our customers will be outside of our own hardware, I hope, sooner than 2030. So, to the question of whether I agree with this graph, my answer is that the light green and blue - depending on the colors you see there [corresponding to PC and cloud user share of Game Pass - editor's note] - would have to be much bigger much sooner. I would say that by 2026-2027 fiscal year we should be in that position, otherwise we would have to make a different business decision."

Do people understand just how scary this notion is.?! He's saying by Summer of 2026, if Xbox doesn't have 65 million subscribers they will make HUGE different business decisions going forward.

Yall know what that means, right?
 
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Do people understand just how scary this notion is.?! He's saying by Summer of 2026, if Xbox doesn't have 65 million subscribers they will make HUGE different business decisions going forward.

Yall know what that means, right?

huh?

That quote is from a year old article, not even a part of this interview.

We're just randomly quoting old interviews without labeling them as such to make a point now?
 
huh?

That quote is from a year old article, not even a part of this interview.

We're just randomly quoting old interviews without labeling them as such to make a point now?
It's only gotten worse for Xbox since then, but you decided to focus on the date of the article?
 
It's only gotten worse for Xbox since then, but you decided to focus on the date of the article?

Yes, it's a quote from a different interview being posted here without labeling, the average reader might assume it's part of this OP article.

No need to do that.
 
Yes, it's a quote from a different interview being posted here without labeling, the average reader might assume it's part of this OP article.

No need to do that.
Fair enough.
Could've been made clear.

But it does add perspective on this current statement from Spencer.
 
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Well done Dench, didn't take long for you to revert back to default settings.

Aw cmon, it wasn't that serious. It was more a comment on how bad the generation has been from first party so you are better to rent them. Indiana jones is great though.
 
So with the state of the industry where when a game doesn't sell enough, the devs are being layed-off, not buying games and opting for a monthly sbuscription is the common sense ?

People aren't buying games because games are average. All the talent has gone. You got a bunch of 20 something man babies making a lot of average broken day one content. Of course I would prefer to rent that.

Good stuff, I buy.
 
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Aw cmon, it wasn't that serious. It was more a comment on how bad the generation has been from first party so you are better to rent them. Indiana jones is great though.

Still not making any sense.

If you think it's not that great then buying the handful of games ends up being cheaper over the course of the generation (even better if you are willing to wait for sales).
 
My Gamepass subscription expires next month.

I won't miss it in the slightest. Good riddance.

Any MS game I want, I am happy to wait for a Steam sale.
 
People aren't buying games because games are average. All the talent has gone. You got a bunch of 20 something man babies making a lot of average broken day one content. Of course I would prefer to rent that.

Good stuff, I buy.

Oh okay now I see why you rather play those games on GP rather than buying them. I thought you meant "comon sense" to rent them industry-wise, not Microsoft games specifically, my bad
 
I hope GP stays, I use it on PC and XBox series S (mostly my son), for me it's a great value (but mostly it would be great value for my son in the next few years).
 
It's usually 60-90 days later, when the "bad news" drops.

I'd expect it even sooner, except we have a big show around the corner. So we're definitely looking at June, but it's definitely going to be why they cancelled FanFest. So definitely think they announce Gears e-day and trilogy for PS5 and a 25% chance they announce Halo MCC or CE remake.
 
huh?

That quote is from a year old article, not even a part of this interview.

We're just randomly quoting old interviews without labeling them as such to make a point now?

It's to show what Microsoft's plans were just recently. It's important and you know why.
 
I'd expect it even sooner, except we have a big show around the corner. So we're definitely looking at June, but it's definitely going to be why they cancelled FanFest. So definitely think they announce Gears e-day and trilogy for PS5 and a 25% chance they announce Halo MCC or CE remake.

What about MS Flight Simulator?
 
What about MS Flight Simulator?

It's an interesting concept. I don't know how much sales potential the game has on PS5, especially if they don't support PSVR2.

If they were to enable PSVR2 support, I think it could be a pretty decent performer and even potentially be a system seller for PSVR2, but I think supporting PSVR2 would be a bridge too far for Microsoft.

I wouldn't be surprised if it never gets ported to PS5, but maybe the next version comes out on PS5 or 6..
 
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The quotes are identical.
So who is Game Pass for? Spencer told Variety it can be a "" but he acknowledged that Microsoft isn't trying to get everyone to sign up. ~Eddie's take

Many have wondered about the economic realities of Game Pass, and while Spencer didn't get into that, he said the number of total hours people are playing on Xbox "" in part due to Game Pass. ~Eddie injecting a non-contextual narrative opinion to redefine the nature of the interview response

"I've always thought about Game Pass as just another option for somebody who wants to play. We have many business models for people playing from free-to-play, buying games, discounted games--Game Pass is an option," he explained. "So when I'm looking at Game Pass, I want to make sure the hours that people are playing continue to go up, that new people see this as a way for them to find and build their library of games, and we remain focused on that," he said.

Also in the interview, Spencer said the video game console business is "good," but it's an "established" market sector that is "not really a growing segment in gaming," at least not for Microsoft. As such, Spencer said that's why you're seeing Microsoft invest in and support PC and cloud as much as it is.
~Eddie removed entire sentences from this response not for simplicity but to mutate the contextual nature of his phrasing. He also inserted additional phrasing into Phil's mouth such as 'at least not for Microsoft'

This page is a reaction piece opinion article to an actual interview which SHOULD have been the actually linked bit and not this guy's take on it. Sadly I think this is listed in the News category on GameSpot. I couldn't find anything pointing to Opinion. This smacks of Afternoon Fox Opinion talking head. Just because it references actual news doesn't make what comes out their mouth NOT an opinion on their take of what was said.

There's a reason people whom report the news speak in a specific manor, and this is an example of why. But when you have to get clicks in for the advertisers you can't just copy paste an article from the competition. Gotta put your five o'clock spin on it just enough to not get sued for stealing material.
 
So who is Game Pass for? Spencer told Variety it can be a "" but he acknowledged that Microsoft isn't trying to get everyone to sign up. ~Eddie's take

Phil's words state the same thing.

Many have wondered about the economic realities of Game Pass, and while Spencer didn't get into that, he said the number of total hours people are playing on Xbox "" in part due to Game Pass. ~Eddie injecting a non-contextual narrative opinion to redefine the nature of the interview response

Well Phil/Microsoft are free to publicise the economic realities surrounding the service any time. Other than court documents during the ABK case, they haven't made anything public.

~Eddie removed entire sentences from this response not for simplicity but to mutate the contextual nature of his phrasing. He also inserted additional phrasing into Phil's mouth such as 'at least not for Microsoft'

The console gaming market is not growing for them though. Where is the lie?

This page is a reaction piece opinion article to an actual interview which SHOULD have been the actually linked bit and not this guy's take on it. Sadly I think this is listed in the News category on GameSpot. I couldn't find anything pointing to Opinion. This smacks of Afternoon Fox Opinion talking head. Just because it references actual news doesn't make what comes out their mouth NOT an opinion on their take of what was said.

It is news. This isn't an opinion piece. Just because you don't like how it reads outside of Phil's quotes, it doesn't make it an opinion piece.
 
yet you need '"game pass" core' to play online at the bare minimum - sounds like something isn't adding up
 
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Fucks sake.

So how long until Microsoft just close the Xbox brand all together? Their marketing is some of the worst marketing I've ever seen from a big tech company.
 
I purchase games regularly and I don't need or want Gamepass so he's dead wrong.

Phil has ruined what Xbox once was- a fantastic console brand with great games. It's not a fucking rental box and really doesn't know what it truly wants to be. Pathetic from Phil.
But Gamepass isn't mandatory, you can buy your games, digital of most of times physical too. Sure Xbox is tending to digital only but as Nintendo since Switch 1 and Sony (PS5 Pro without disc drive sku).

I don't say that everybody who's not interested by GP are people who play only 2 games per year of course. :)
 
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