GAMECUBE Serial Port 2...

DrGAKMAN

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I'm gonna be doing so more speculation for my lil' Nintendo Idea page.

I'm speculating, first, what the last port on the bottom of the GAMECUBE is for. If Revolution is to be BC with GCN, then I think it might give us some clue as to what Revolution may have to have on it to offer whatever this last port offers (wether it be built-in or an add-on). Plus, I think if there is to be a slimmed down GCN (a GAMECUBEmini) that this last port could still work with it (the other two larger ports may be removed for space/cost issues). I know alot of you may be thinking: "well it's too late for GAMECUBE, Nintendo can't save it with this last mystery port" I agree to some extent, but that doesn't mean they can't experiment and introduce a new idea...nor does this peripheral hardware have to be restricted to just GAMECUBE, it could be something that works with more than just it? Nintendo has been talking about more hardware anyways, but none of the upcoming hardware (mic, dancepad, etc.) requires this port leaving it still open for something. But what?

Well, there are some clues for it's possible use just by looking at it. #1-There are no metal connections on it for power suggesting that whatever is hooked up to this port runs under it's own power. #2-The space for the port itself is very small, I think it's for a link cable connection of some kind 'cos of...#3-It has a rounded off openning suggesting that it's a seperatly connected device in which a cable has to travel thru a rounded openning to connect with the GAMECUBE. #4-With the GameBoy Player hooked up, there is also no room for anything to "sit under" the system.

So with those clues we know that it's a link connection for a seperate peice of hardware that runs under it's own power. But that brings up another issue...will said device run by a battery or by being plugged into the wall dirrectly?

It could be a wireless communication device so as the NDS and/or the GBA (with wireless adaptor) can communicated dirrectly? It could also be used to connect with crazy wireless gyro controllers or a way to go online wirelessly or create a wireless LAN between systems. Problem with that is, Nintendo already has a way to do LAN & online gaming with the modem & broadband adaptors. Plus it wouldn't make too much sense to leap into online gaming half-assed this late in the generation. So if it's just for communication with GBA & NDS then that doesn't give us much as you would HAVE to have a wireless adaptor with the GBA, you would HAVE to have a modem or broadband adaptor to go online to make the GCN an "at home hub" and then that leaves the issue of content...who is gonna support an idea of hardware that requires other hardware add-ons to work. Plus if it's a WiFi enabled wireless communication device then that jacks up power usage and the cost making this peripheral even more obscure than most.

So this leads me to think it's not a wireless communication device of any type. So what is it, a new type of controller or the suppossed "GameEye"? No...they could easily use the DigiCard slots or controller ports for that. Let's instead think of what a last ditch peripheral would be for. To extend the life of the GCN! And let's apply that to an idea Nintendo has been pushing a lil' this generation. The GBA NES Classic line, openning up classic games in Animal Crossing and other games, the Zelda collector's disc, the e-Card Reader & e-Card's all offered a way for gamers to hook up with classic gaming. Nintendo knows there's a market for this and they know that they are a rich source for these kind of "golden age" games! They've also tried to push connectivity on lesser successful scale. By the time this peripheral releases GBA & moreso GCN will be in thier twilight hour. So this, again, idea will be used to help extend the life of the those systems as Nintendo concentrates on NDS, Revolution & the next GameBoy going into the future.

So what am I suggesting this new hardware is? A hard drive! I know I know...it's a lil' bit late for such an ambitious peice of hardware. It doesn't neccessarily HAVE to be a HD, but something that is a mass storage medium that can be played across Nintendo systems. I know what you're thinking: "what about the SD card Adaptor for the DigiCard slot?" The problem with that is Nintendo doesn't really have thier hand in or influence in that medium, nor would it really make them any money. Plus...going that route means that whatever Nintendo data is put on an SD card would only work in whatever other device uses SD cards...which sorta defeats the purpose if Nintendo want's to push a form of "connectivity" between Nintendo platforms.

This is my idea...
Introduce a Nintendo HD (N-Drive) or just a chunk of solid state re-writable memory that can pull data from cheap GCN discs thru Serial Port 2 and play them in portable form by making it a GBA cartridge that can be played in a GBA, NDS and/or next GameBoy on the go. The idea is to create cheap content that can be played at home or downloaded onto the N-Drive for on the go play. Alot like the content that was made for e-Card's, only more successful since GCN disc's can hold more data and this N-Drive would make it less bulky/complicated to pull off. I even know that Nintendo had plans to release more e-Card content, but couldn't 'cos the e-Card sorta faded into obscurity. With cheap lil' $5 to $10 GCN disc's being sold in mini-cases they could hold games as well as soundtracks, demo's, videos and other data...all of which can be transferred onto the N-Drive to play on the go! For those without the N-Drive they could still buy these cheap-o games to enjoy on thier GAMECUBE. For those without a GCN they could go to store kiosks to download content onto thier N-Drive iQue style. This idea isn't meant to "save GCN" or anything, just add a lil' something to it. A peripheral like this wouldn't cost too much either and would be profitable. Game's for this idea would be cheap too. Let's say they do introduce a smaller GAMECUBEmini...packaging this peripheral and a GBA and selling it as a combo for around $100 would be nice near the end of this generation. Plus it introduces an idea I think Nintendo will put into full swing next generation. The idea of making/buying ONE game and reach BOTH thier console and portable lines at the same time!

I know there's a problem with having mass re-writable devices being hacked, but if anyone can find a way to prevent piracy it's Nintendo. One way they could prevent abuse is by making it to where each N-Drive could only hold a certain ammount of applications/games...or it could be restricting 'cos it doesn't hold that much data. I think a simultaneous physical link connection & wireless connection could be a way to put a hamper on piracy/hacking.
 
I think you just made yourself sound nuts.

It's real purpose is
fuck all
 
To summerize...I think GAMECUBE's Serial Port 2 is for a HD or mass-storage device. Said device is also a GBA cart which means whatever content is downloaded onto it can be played at home on the GCN or on the go with your GBA, NDS or next GameBoy.

The reason why it's so long is to fully explain why i think it is such and to sorta back it up with thoughts & idea's about the ergonomic restrictions, business strategy for it and Nintendo's own philosophies.
 
It may be to house something akin to the N64 EXPANSION PAK, but if even RE4 doesn't need it, I doubt another game in the future will. It could also be the port for the upcoming Manebito Camera, if Nintendo's still sticking with that idea (it could provide the port so no controller port will be taken).
 
Ahh. Cliffnotes. Excellent. Interesting idea. Too little, too late, however?

I expect that the 2nd Serial Port will see as much use as the NES expansion bay did (in the States.)
 
Serial Port 2 is for the GC EUTHANASIA PAK[tm].

Give your GC a quiet and dignified death at a time of your choosing, rather than let it suffer at the hands of uncaring 3rd parties.

Only $19.99!
 
Nash said:
Serial Port 2 is for the GC EUTHANASIA PAK[tm].

Give your GC a quiet and dignified death at a time of your choosing, rather than let it suffer at the hands of uncaring 3rd parties.

Only $19.99!


:lol
 
CVXFREAK said:
It may be to house something akin to the N64 EXPANSION PAK, but if even RE4 doesn't need it, I doubt another game in the future will. It could also be the port for the upcoming Manebito Camera, if Nintendo's still sticking with that idea (it could provide the port so no controller port will be taken).

Thanks for the constructive post (although everyone elses were "funny" ha ha). I thought the RE4 peripheral was the same as the Mario Party 6 one...which was...a mic? As far as the camera (and other things like the tilt'n'tumble, marionette and other ideas) I think Nintendo will save those for next generation. I mean why come out with a late camera next to Sony's Eye Toy and look lame, when you could have it at or near launch of Revolution to give it something new right from the beginning?

I know some people would think a HD would be too little too late, but again, the idea isn't meant to "save GCN", just add something to it and present an idea that may be in full swing next generation. Heck, who knows, maybe this same N-Drive idea I have could be used with Revolution as a mass storage device on it too? Then it's worth is even more valuable 'cos of it's universal connection to each Nintendo system.
 
Well, by too little, too late, I didn't mean too little or too late to "save" the GCN, I just meant that no one would use it.

You know. Like the modem. Only worse.
 
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You bring up some nice points, but really, I'd be shocked to see something like that enter this late in the game. It's certainly possible, but you wouldn't get that many games to support it, and besides, isn't Nintendo encouraging developers to start working on Revolution titles? It's to the point in the system's lifetime where we'll see one last game from most development teams until they move on, if they haven't already.

I think it's more likely that you'll see more titles either introduce or make use of game-specific peripheral, a la Donkey Konga Jungle Beat, Odama, Mario Party 6, Get On Da Floor/Mic, whatever that camera game is called and so on.
 
Mejilan said:
Well, by too little, too late, I didn't mean too little or too late to "save" the GCN, I just meant that no one would use it.

You know. Like the modem. Only worse.

Well...I think more people would buy into it than they did for the e-Card idea, and e-Card did well considering it's restrictions/price. Plus, I mean, instead of Nintendo trying to continue "support" for GAMECUBE after Revolution launches, they could do this which would not only be a cool lil' idea, but be profitable too. I mean look at the GBA NES Classic series...$20 a freakin' pop for something they could probably do for $5 on GCN disc's and put more content onto them as well. If the GBA NES Classic line did so well then I could only see this doing about as well considering it gives you more (at home & on the go play, more content due to it being cheaper to make GCN disc's than GBA carts) for less. Plus, near the end of the GCN's life it'll won't have too many "big" titles coming to it, leaving it wide open for cheap budget releases.
 
OK, serious answer:
A hard drive serves no purpose without a proper online plan. Even the HDD on the PS2 is only used by a couple of games thanks to Sony's lack of a proper plan. The buy in will never be big enough to do something serious with it.

Input peripherals are likely to connect via the controller ports or memory card slots, so they can be plugged in/removed with ease.

They have said that they will unveil some peripheral at E3 next year, but I am hoping it's not some performance boosting peripheral or people will bring up the Mega 32X. I can't for the life of me think what it might be though, I just don't see it being anything suggested so far.
 
BuddyChrist83 said:
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You bring up some nice points, but really, I'd be shocked to see something like that enter this late in the game. It's certainly possible, but you wouldn't get that many games to support it, and besides, isn't Nintendo encouraging developers to start working on Revolution titles? It's to the point in the system's lifetime where we'll see one last game from most development teams until they move on, if they haven't already.

I think it's more likely that you'll see more titles either introduce or make use of game-specific peripheral, a la Donkey Konga Jungle Beat, Odama, Mario Party 6, Get On Da Floor/Mic, that camera game and so on.

Good points, but introducing a universal Nintendo HD like this really isn't about 3RD parties...The GBA NES Classic line was published by Nintendo as were all the e-Cards. Of course I'm sure something like this would be open for 3RD parties to support it, but wouldn't require it. It could be profitable on Nintendo's content alone:
-Game & Watch games
-mini games from Wario Ware
-NES Classic line
-game demo's
-game soundtracks
-comics
-e-Card like content
-new content

Nintendo could even work with Majesco to create video's on GCN discs that could be played at home and/or downloaded onto this Nintendo HD to play on the go.
 
BuddyChrist83 said:
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You bring up some nice points, but really, I'd be shocked to see something like that enter this late in the game. It's certainly possible, but you wouldn't get that many games to support it, and besides, isn't Nintendo encouraging developers to start working on Revolution titles? It's to the point in the system's lifetime where we'll see one last game from most development teams until they move on, if they haven't already.

I think it's more likely that you'll see more titles either introduce or make use of game-specific peripheral, a la Donkey Konga Jungle Beat, Odama, Mario Party 6, Get On Da Floor/Mic, whatever that camera game is called and so on.

Does Odama use the mic?
 
Jonnyram said:
OK, serious answer:
A hard drive serves no purpose without a proper online plan. Even the HDD on the PS2 is only used by a couple of games thanks to Sony's lack of a proper plan. The buy in will never be big enough to do something serious with it.

Input peripherals are likely to connect via the controller ports or memory card slots, so they can be plugged in/removed with ease.

They have said that they will unveil some peripheral at E3 next year, but I am hoping it's not some performance boosting peripheral or people will bring up the Mega 32X. I can't for the life of me think what it might be though, I just don't see it being anything suggested so far.

Good points, but maybe I'm overly ambitious in suggesting it's a HD. Maybe it's just a chunk of memory? It's not like it would need to be a high capacity thing 'cos the content on it would be small stuff anyways.

IntestineBoy said:
The 2nd port was going to be for a 48mb RAM upgrade that never surfaced, as per the SDK manual.

I remember reading about that. It would be kinda too late to introduce that as a peripheral to enhance visuals of upcoming games...in fact it would be bad to make it a "N64 Ram Expansion Pak" like add-on 'cos I would see people being more upset about that than happy. Who knows...they could not only use it for enhancing games (not requiring it), but also for what I'm suggesting too!?!

deadlifter said:
Does Odama use the mic?

It uses the DK Konga's as "war drums" since the game is like a pinball like game that requires a certain rythm.
 
The 48MB RAM upgrade wouldn't have altered the visual performance of the GameCube.

What it would have done is sped up things like load times (since it's the A-Memory).

I think maybe the idea was they'd release the 48MB RAM expansion for people really anal about loading times (ahem, Mr. Miyamoto), but it seems like Nintendo canned the idea.

The GCN's main 1T-SRAM cannot be upgraded.
 
DrGAKMAN said:
Good points, but introducing a universal Nintendo HD like this really isn't about 3RD parties...The GBA NES Classic line was published by Nintendo as were all the e-Cards. Of course I'm sure something like this would be open for 3RD parties to support it, but wouldn't require it. It could be profitable on Nintendo's content alone:
-Game & Watch games
-mini games from Wario Ware
-NES Classic line
-game demo's
-game soundtracks
-comics
-e-Card like content
-new content

Nintendo could even work with Majesco to create video's on GCN discs that could be played at home and/or downloaded onto this Nintendo HD to play on the go.
Eh, I don't think we'll be seeing an nPod. But hey, Nintendo's done some wacky shit, so it's not totally out of the question. Gotta give you props for fleshing out your idea, though.
 
bitwise said:
it uses the drum

DrGAKMAN said:
Good points, but maybe I'm overly ambitious in suggesting it's a HD. Maybe it's just a chunk of memory? It's not like it would need to be a high capacity thing 'cos the content on it would be small stuff anyways.



I remember reading about that. It would be kinda too late to introduce that as a peripheral to enhance visuals of upcoming games...in fact it would be bad to make it a "N64 Ram Expansion Pak" like add-on 'cos I would see people being more upset about that than happy. Who knows...they could not only use it for enhancing games (not requiring it), but also for what I'm suggesting too!?!



It uses the DK Konga's as "war drums" since the game is like a pinball like game that requires a certain rythm.

Ahh, thanks. My interest in the game has shot up :)
 
I seriously don't think the port will be used for anything. Cause Nintendo are kinda stupid.
And if they did release a HDD or something i probably wouldn't buy it. Unless there's a good game that requires it. Which i doubt. Unless...
 
Papi said:
I seriously don't think the port will be used for anything. Cause Nintendo are kinda stupid.
And if they did release a HDD or something i probably wouldn't buy it. Unless there's a good game that requires it. Which i doubt. Unless...
Can you put anymore ignorance, negativity or doubt into your post?
 
I know that in the past Nintendo has left the EXT ports unused, but they obviously had something cooked up for the ports on GCN. I mean, why use the DigiCard slot for the mic when they could've put it on Serial Port 2...with a camera even? They put it in the DigiCard slot 'cos they have something else left for the last port. Reggie recently said Nintendo was all for wireless now, so maybe that's a possibility afterall? But what could it offer? Mr. Iwata also said that they planned on bringing more hardware out and since then there's been the DK Konga's, mic & dancepad...none of which plug into Serial Port 2...so they're saving it for something. Hmmm...
 
If they release a wireless thing that will let you connect the DS to the GC and use it like the GBA is used, then I'm all for it. I doubt that would be using the Serial Port connection, but it's still something I think they should not only have available at launch but something they should have mentioned/announced long ago.
 
wtf, the poll doesn't even show results.

and they failed in trying to get ppl to buy the GC for peripherals, so they're trying to cash in on the folk who already have a GC and have N64 carts lying around? wtf - i mean, if you've got N64 carts lying around, chances are you still got your N64 anyway... what's the point of this?

i don't think they'd rerelease N64 games for a N64 Player, since putting it on a GC disc with the emu is probably cheaper...

stupid * lots. release a peripheral that i want, not something that won't sell!
 
Frankly it was just to future-proof the machine somewhat. So that later in GC's life, if they suddenly thought of something to hook up to the GC, they had a way of doing so. Better to have the option open than to be completely shut out.
 
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