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[Panajev2001a]

Prolific port studio says any 60fps Xbox Series S game will ‘easily port’ to Nintendo Switch 2 | VGC

Virtuos compares Switch 2 power to Xbox Series S…

www.videogameschronicle.com

…assuming you are not going to be over the limits of the CPU in that title is a relatively big asterisks.

The same studio says the CPU is barely faster than the PS4's Jaguar CPU and XSS has a much faster per clock CPU running at about 2x the clock speed (Jaguar vs Zen 2).

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's the same interview posted several days ago, nothing new on the horizon.

CPU-wise it's PS4 level and GPU-wise more close to Series S, so CPU bottlenecks will be an issue while GPU bottlnecks will be fine.

This is the first time in years they made a decent hardware, we should give them credit for

It is not a bad SoC… but on a slightly more recent node the CPU could have been running quite a bit faster and it would be more balanced though.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

The more I read from you, the more I'm convinced you're an alt account designed to troll and bait.

Alright, explain to me what i said was a bait and troll. Listening.

 

[Panajev2001a]

A Switch 2 thread with anything positive? Time for the clowns to come running

"Ackchually if I had designed the hardware…here's why Nintendo is going to fail…I want an oled" etc etc etc.

= no question but consume brigade damage control early ?

 

[Kurt]

I'm baffled why anyone would play anything but Nintendo first party on a Nintendo console.

Do you just enjoy playing the shittiest versions or something? If it's the portable factor then even a steam deck oled is better bet. Otherwise ps5 or pc for all third party offerings is the way to go.

The NS2 is to play Nintendo games and I imagine most Nintendo offerings will be 60fps.

Steamdeck is already a generation behind. A bit below ps4. The reason why i bough sf6 and cyberpunk on switch 2, while owning it already on my steamdeck. The ergonomics of the bulky steamdeck device are awfull. Analogsticks are also misplaced. Unlike with switch 2 many many options, there is zero way to fix that with my steamdeck. 3th party wise, they are priced the same. Expect cyberpunk is more expensive on steam. Stellar blade is more expensive on steam aswell. Bioschock collection even with cdkeys is more expensive on steam and so on.

 

[Danjin44]

I'm baffled why anyone would play anything but Nintendo first party on a Nintendo console.

Do you just enjoy playing the shittiest versions or something? If it's the portable factor then even a steam deck oled is better bet. Otherwise ps5 or pc for all third party offerings is the way to go.

The NS2 is to play Nintendo games and I imagine most Nintendo offerings will be 60fps.

Not always, for example I own both PS5 and Switch 2 but I bought Fantasy Life i on Switch 2.

With game the graphics are not "high tech" enough to care about the difference.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

This sounds good. I imagine on that small screen, PS4 lvl performance should be fine.

I do wish it was current gen capable though. None of the handhelds are. So thats a moot point. Current gen stuff already gets hard on Series S. Playable but struggles.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

So gaming laptops are not portable?

Having had a 'gaming' laptop (I think it was an ASUS ROG STRIX 3), there was nothing portable about it. It weighed quite a bit, lasted barely 30 minutes and performed horribly without being plugged in. Oh and it was noisy as fuck playing most games. It also cost almost £1700.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Series S saving the industry!

Lol

 

[FalconPunch]

Just cut the fps in half, res in half too, reduce any cpu intensive settings a bit and slap a dlss on it and u are golden

Pretty much. Cyberpunk has a 60fps mode on series S and on switch 2, it struggles to hit 40 fps with drops to 17 fps. Hogwarts legacy, again same problem. So once you cut the frame rate in half and drop the settings as low as possible, cut the resolution, it should run on switch 2.

 

[Kurt]

Pretty much. Cyberpunk has a 60fps mode on series S and on switch 2, it struggles to hit 40 fps with drops to 17 fps. Hogwarts legacy, again same problem. So once you cut the frame rate in half and drop the settings as low as possible, cut the resolution, it should run on switch 2.

But when both run in quality mode, which 30fps, the switch 2 visuals are even better and the fps is on the same level.

Not to mention the many pc handhelds which are much more expensive can't reach the sae level as switch 2

 

[FalconPunch]

But when both run in quality mode, which 30fps, the switch 2 visuals are even better and the fps is on the same level.

Not to mention the many pc handhelds which are much more expensive can't reach the sae level as switch 2

The switch visuals are not better. It has better image quality due to the DLSS but the settings are way way worse. The fps is also not the same at all. It still drops in docked mode, just not as low. Also, I'm pretty sure the switch 2 version has a memory leak. The more you play, the worse the performance gets.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

The switch visuals are not better. It has better image quality due to the DLSS but the settings are way way worse. The fps is also not the same at all. It still drops in docked mode, just not as low. Also, I'm pretty sure the switch 2 version has a memory leak. The more you play, the worse the performance gets.

Why are you always such a hater? Do you only game on a high end PC or something?

 

[GigaBowser]

Why are you always such a hater? Do you only game on a high end PC or something?

some peoples act like nintendos kidnap there parent ahaha

 

[Zacfoldor]

Too bad that many current generation games target 720p 30fps on Series S and exclude Performance Mode options. Some games even have mandatory software ray tracing.

Yeah the series s sucks but did we ever think the nintendo handheld would match a current gen system?

That said, be careful with the actual quote, "Any game shipping at 60 FPS on the Series S should easily port to the Switch 2. Likewise, a 30 FPS Series S game that's GPU-bound should also port well. Games with complex physics, animations, or other CPU-intensive elements might incur additional challenges in reaching 30 or 60 FPS or require extra optimization during porting."

He did not say every 30fps game would be "easily ported" possible necessarily.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Who wants to play the absolute worse version of a game that the gaming industry can offer? All of which for full price btw.

I believe many XSS ports will actually look worse due to DLSS.

 

[Wolzard]

I doubt it, this week in the Hogwarts Legacy review on Switch 2:

- Switch 2 use Xbox One assets, while Series S uses nextgen;
- 720p resolution in docked mode, 540p in handheld mode;
- Series S runs at 1188p in quality mode, 900p in performance mode;
- Switch 2 only runs at 30 fps with drops. Series S has a fixed 30 fps and also a 60 fps mode.

 

[cortadew]

I read "prolific porn studio...."

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

The more I read from you, the more I'm convinced you're an alt account designed to troll and bait.

Why did you pussy out? At least explain your shitty alt account, troll and bait claims. Or are you one of those shit posters that call everyone a troll when they feel offended because a forum poster wasn't positive about your game/system?

Being in denial about the fact that the Switch and the Switch 2 had/has the worst third party version of games of any system out there (which includes the S, X, PS5 and PC), is being delusional.

I believe many XSS ports will actually look worse due to DLSS.

I want to see this, and i'll admit being wrong. And i bet you that EVEN if it happens, it will be extremely rare to the point of not being relevant. I am also not seeing how the Switch 2 would run games smoother.

 

[mckmas8808]

to keep this generation for another 10 years on the ''PS4'' which in turn lasted 10 years? My life is one
In 2033 you will be playing games from 2013 level because of Nintendo and paying $80 for them.

That's an insane way to think about it. But you're right.....

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I doubt it

me too, when this gen started, there were a lot of comparisons between the Xbox One X and the Xbox Series S

Series S is a next gen console, weak but nextgen, switch 2 is oldgen like

 

[Kataploom]

Why are you always such a hater? Do you only game on a high end PC or something?

Oh buddy, if only... But he's one of those playing on consoles and bragging about power for whatever reason...

He needs to complain about Switch 2 existence no matter what, see OP quoted:

According to O'Grady, the overall GPU capabilities of both consoles are comparable, thanks to Switch 2's use of DLSS upscaling. While Switch 2's CPU is closer to PS4, he said he believes "any game shipping at 60 FPS on the Series S should easily port to the Switch 2".

Then he says:

Pretty much. Cyberpunk has a 60fps mode on series S and on switch 2, it struggles to hit 40 fps with drops to 17 fps. Hogwarts legacy, again same problem. So once you cut the frame rate in half and drop the settings as low as possible, cut the resolution, it should run on switch 2.

Like he's literally ignoring everything quoted in the OP just to "have a point" and actually CP2077 is a proof of OPs claims because it shows a clear CPU bottleneck and not a GPU one going by DF analysis.

BTW, this won't be cleared out for some people until more games come out, it's clear that Nintendo is pulling back Switch 2 games announcements, I hope they stop doing that because I want to know which games are coming ASAP.

 

[Kataploom]

Yeah the series s sucks but did we ever think the nintendo handheld would match a current gen system?

That said, be careful with the actual quote, "Any game shipping at 60 FPS on the Series S should easily port to the Switch 2. Likewise, a 30 FPS Series S game that's GPU-bound should also port well. Games with complex physics, animations, or other CPU-intensive elements might incur additional challenges in reaching 30 or 60 FPS or require extra optimization during porting."

He did not say every 30fps game would be "easily ported" possible necessarily.

You're responding to a hater lol, those people act like Furukawa beat their mom or whatever

 

[FalconPunch]

Why are you always such a hater? Do you only game on a high end PC or something?

I'm a hater for telling the truth? Nothing I've said is false. The question is why do you have a problem with the switch 2 being weak? After all, the games are supposed to be what's important. If I say it's weak, why does it matter? As long as you're enjoying it, keep enjoying it.

 

[Zathalus]

Steamdeck is already a generation behind. A bit below ps4. The reason why i bough sf6 and cyberpunk on switch 2, while owning it already on my steamdeck. The ergonomics of the bulky steamdeck device are awfull. Analogsticks are also misplaced. Unlike with switch 2 many many options, there is zero way to fix that with my steamdeck. 3th party wise, they are priced the same. Expect cyberpunk is more expensive on steam. Stellar blade is more expensive on steam aswell. Bioschock collection even with cdkeys is more expensive on steam and so on.

If you are referring to portable play then both SF6 and Cyberpunk 2077 actually run better on the Deck. SF6 lacks even basic AO in portable play and Digital Foundry will have a video up today that clearly shows the Steam Deck having less fps drops vs the Switch 2.

As for your pricing, Cyberpunk you can pick up for ~$30 right now for PC. Bioshock Collection for under $7. Not sure how would think the Switch version would be cheaper. Stellar Blade isn't even on the Switch.

 

[FalconPunch]

Steamdeck is already a generation behind.

In portable mode, it gaps the switch 2 so when you say a generation behind, what exactly is that in reference to?

The reason why i bough sf6 and cyberpunk on switch 2, while owning it already on my steamdeck. The ergonomics of the bulky steamdeck device are awfull. Analogsticks are also misplaced. Unlike with switch 2 many many options, there is zero way to fix that with my steamdeck. 3th party wise, they are priced the same. Expect cyberpunk is more expensive on steam. Stellar blade is more expensive on steam aswell. Bioschock collection even with cdkeys is more expensive on steam and so on.

The ergonomics are awful on the steam deck when compared to the switch 2? Surely you can't be serious as playing fps games on the switch 2 is borderline impossible due to the joycon analog sticks. Cyberpunk more expensive on steam? That's not true. In fact, your whole post is filled with factual inaccuracies.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I'm a hater for telling the truth? Nothing I've said is false. The question is why do you have a problem with the switch 2 being weak? After all, the games are supposed to be what's important. If I say it's weak, why does it matter? As long as you're enjoying it, keep enjoying it.

I just checked your posting history, and it's all negative. You don't seem to like anything, and specifically focus on Switch 2 threads. It's almost like you're being paid to trash the system, or something.

 

[LordOcidax]

I doubt it, this week in the Hogwarts Legacy review on Switch 2:

- Switch 2 use Xbox One assets, while Series S uses nextgen;
- 720p resolution in docked mode, 540p in handheld mode;
- Series S runs at 1188p in quality mode, 900p in performance mode;
- Switch 2 only runs at 30 fps with drops. Series S has a fixed 30 fps and also a 60 fps mode.

You are taking the worst example for an argument. Cyberpunk punk is a better port.

 

[FalconPunch]

I just checked your posting history, and it's all negative. You don't seem to like anything, and specifically focus on Switch 2 threads. It's almost like you're being paid to trash the system, or something.

My opinion on the switch 2 is negative because Nintendo fell well short of what was promised:

-The joycons still drift
-The refresh rate compliance of the screen is 30fps, as in regardless of what the framerate of the game is, the screen is only fast enough to display 30 fps properly.
-The power in handheld mode is worse than devices released in 2023
-The battery life is worse than the og switch 1
-The games and the accessories are overpriced
-The device ergonomics have not improved in any meaningful way since the switch 1
-The UI has seen very little notable changes
-Game Key Cards
-Advertising hdr when it doesn't exist for portable mode. It's not even an hdr capable screen.
-It costs more than a ps5, steam deck Oled, series S, while delivering less performance than all those devices.
-It doesn't feel like a new console at all.

Why wouldn't it be negative? Other than improved visuals, objectively speaking, there are not many improvements while there are lots of problems?

 

[BlackTron]

The ergonomics are awful on the steam deck when compared to the switch 2? Surely you can't be serious as playing fps games on the switch 2 is borderline impossible due to the joycon analog sticks.

I can't play FPS with any analog sticks unless maybe if I add thumbcaps to extend it, which I'll have to do to fix it regardless of the controller. Although I do like that on Switch 2 you could theoretically aim with mouse without remembering to bring or pair a mouse.

 

[twilo99]

Optimizing for weaker hardware is beneficial?

Shocking.

 

[FalconPunch]

I can't play FPS with any analog sticks unless maybe if I add thumbcaps to extend it, which I'll have to do to fix it regardless of the controller. Although I do like that on Switch 2 you could theoretically aim with mouse without remembering to bring or pair a mouse.

That's fair. Having that option is nice. However for me, I have rather large hands so mouse mode is too uncomfortable. It causes hand cramps.

 

[OuterLimits]

It's already dated.

The problem the Switch 2 faces is now there are PC handhelds out that will obliterate it in a couple of years. When the first Switch came out, there wasn't anybody with anything better.

Before the Ninsters come in here and say "Switch will murder them in sales" Yes, I agree. This has nothing to do with sales and most of the demographic doesn't care about the PC handhelds but it doesn't change the fact that the people who do know the latter exists, will criticize what Nintendo put out.

There are two situations where I think I would call the Switch 2 a success hardware wise…

1. Waited a couple more years when many think a bigger leap is coming in the handheld department. Similar to when the Steam Deck 2 is looking to launch.

2. If they were dead set on getting it out this Summer, it should have at least included an OLED screen for the price. This thing as it stands right now is basically a Switch Pro with a shit tier screen.

Every console faces a PC that can obliterate it, especially a couple years down the road from launch.

Yet millions of people have enjoyed playing games on more affordable option of PlayStation consoles for decades despite a more powerful alternative existing.

Agree on the screen, but Steam Deck had a rather mediocre LCD screen at launch also.

 

[FalconPunch]

Every console faces a PC that can obliterate it, especially a couple years down the road from launch.

Yet millions of people have enjoyed playing games on more affordable option of PlayStation consoles for decades despite a more powerful alternative existing.

Agree on the screen, but Steam Deck had a rather mediocre LCD screen at launch also.

We'll see if valve makes the same mistake as nintendo and releases the steam deck 2 with an lcd screen. The switch 2 lcd screen is particularly egregious due to it's low brightness, fake hdr claims and the fact that it can only really display 30fps due to it's poor refresh rate compliance.

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch 2 haters moving the goalposts list:

-Is going to be a Switch Pro less powerful than the PS4
-Is going to be less powerful than the Steamdeck
-Steamdeck is a 2022 handheld and the Switch is $450 Great achievement.
-Is going to be less powerful than the PS4 Pro lol keep dreaming
-Of course is going to be better than consoles from 2013
-120hz screen for a Nintendo Handheld lolol Hopium
-No way is going to be close to the Series S 0% chance
-Lol… is Running PS5/Series 60fps games at 30fps … Not surprised at all<- We are here.

 

[Bogroll]

Switch 2 - 20W
Xbox Series S - 200W

Using 1/10th the power but still being able to keep up is kind of impressive

Series X isn't 200w very often.
Series S is around 80w.

 

[seething left]

What level of retardation one has to reach to purchase bad Switch 2 third party ports of old games for 80$? You can't make this shit up.

 

[cireza]

At 30fps.

 

[BlackTron]

That's fair. Having that option is nice. However for me, I have rather large hands so mouse mode is too uncomfortable. It causes hand cramps.

With a joycon grip, just existing at all is better than a stick for me.

I like Metroid Prime 4's solution where you don't switch between modes, it just works when you start sliding it. It gives you a reason to use split joycon instead of a pro controller. Since you only use one of them as a mouse when you really want to refine your aim, it can just help when needs to like gyro and act couch style the rest of the time. Pretty brilliant actually...but yeah it's one game and not out yet

 

[UltimaKilo]

Yeah, sounds about in line with expectations. And good on Nintendo for going 12 GB on the ram.

Switch 2 is one of the least "Nintendo" Nintendo designs yet, thankfully.

The Nintendo of yesteryear would have paid Nvidia to etch three Tegra X1s onto a single die and call it an innovative custom design, Wii-U style.

If you think the Switch 2 isn't exactly that, I don't know what to tell you. They should have added a significantly beefier CPU and some RAM with much higher bandwidth.

Yes, the Switch 2 can run Series S games, significantly downgraded and 1080p@30fps.

The Series S (which is garbage for 2025 4K gaming) has a significantly better CPU, better RAM and a better GPU. That is sad.

 

[adamsapple]

Switch 2 - 20W
Xbox Series S - 200W

Using 1/10th the power but still being able to keep up is kind of impressive

Series S is not running at 200w & even if it was a 2025 model with a die shrink wouldn't be that high

Series X isn't 200w very often.
Series S is around 80w.

Series S's max recorded in some independent testing is 74W.

How Much Power Does Xbox One and Series X|S Consume?

Having the nest gaming consuls is great, but knowing how much power the console consumes is very important. Read on to know more.

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• Shut Down Energy Saving Mode: 0.4 W
• Sleep Mode: 10 W
• Navigation Mode: 28 W
• DVD Playback: Not available
• Blu-Ray Playback: Not available W
• Streaming HD: 28 W
• Streaming in UHD: 31 W
• Active Gameplay: 74 W

 

[Sleepwalker]

I read "prolific porn studio...."

Johnny Sins might be many things, but videogame developer he is not... yet.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Wrong thread

 

[Nvzman]

If you think the Switch 2 isn't exactly that, I don't know what to tell you. They should have added a significantly beefier CPU and some RAM with much higher bandwidth.

Yes, the Switch 2 can run Series S games, significantly downgraded and 1080p@30fps.

The Series S (which is garbage for 2025 4K gaming) has a significantly better CPU, better RAM and a better GPU. That is sad.

One plugs into the wall and draws nearly 4 times the power, one is expected to last at least two and a half hours portably on 20-22w maximum.

Are you genuinely stupid? The T239 APU in the Switch 2 isn't something you can just swap CPUs out with, it's an APU that Nvidia designed with both the Cortex CPU and Ampere GPU on-chip that comes as a single package. Nintendo could not get anything better/newer without the cost of manufacturing ballooning out of control (and Nvidia is notoriously difficult/expensive to work with). They are selling it almost at a loss. Additionally, faster RAM would do jackshit on a significantly lower power chipset, the Switch 2's T239 doesn't seem to be bandwidth starved at all.


There is nothing sad about it, the Series S is indeed poor for 4K gaming but it's a completely different animal (home console) by a completely different manufacturer (AMD) using a completely different instruction set processor (x86 vs arm).

Even if the Series S consumes 74w at gaming, it's still extremely impressive that a mobile chipset is consuming nearly 1/4 of the power while seemingly delivering 2/3-3/4s of the performance and still able to go for hours on battery.

If you think an Xbox or PlayStation handheld is going to be able to achieve much better than the Switch 2 within this year you're on crack. The Steam Deck is quite a bit behind (and arguably dated) in performance and the Rog Ally X/Z2 Extreme handhelds require much more power and heat to outperform the S2.

My opinion on the switch 2 is negative because Nintendo fell well short of what was promised:

-The joycons still drift
-The refresh rate compliance of the screen is 30fps, as in regardless of what the framerate of the game is, the screen is only fast enough to display 30 fps properly.
-The power in handheld mode is worse than devices released in 2023
-The battery life is worse than the og switch 1
-The games and the accessories are overpriced
-The device ergonomics have not improved in any meaningful way since the switch 1
-The UI has seen very little notable changes
-Game Key Cards
-Advertising hdr when it doesn't exist for portable mode. It's not even an hdr capable screen.
-It costs more than a ps5, steam deck Oled, series S, while delivering less performance than all those devices.
-It doesn't feel like a new console at all.

Why wouldn't it be negative? Other than improved visuals, objectively speaking, there are not many improvements while there are lots of problems?

It's genuinely insane how much of this is either completely false or an extremely inaccurate generalization. The handheld screen doesn't only properly show 30fps. It has ghosting issues, but to say it "only shows 30fps" is so technically illiterate you borderline sound like a troll.

The Deck OLED is $550, so what the fuck are you even talking about?

As someone who actually owns a S2 (after originally not planning on getting one at all), it feels like an immense step up over the incredibly aging S1, and the bigger joycons are much better and it does feel like a pretty sleek and substantial upgrade over the Switch 1. It feels like a much bigger upgrade than PS4 to PS5, and the BC results evidence that.

I understood some of the online frustration with the Switch 2 until I actually got one, now I'm realizing more than ever that half the people on this website have no clue what the hell they are talking about and they'd actually rather bitch about things they know literally nothing about. I've always been a PC gamer, and I have a PS5 and SeX, but after the piss-poor showing from both Sony and MS this gen I'm likely only bothering with Nintendo from now on and continuing PC gaming. They are the only ones left who actually know how to sell a console anymore (aka, with good exclusive games).

 

[UltimaKilo]

One plugs into the wall and draws nearly 4 times the power, one is expected to last at least two and a half hours portably on 20-22w maximum.

Are you genuinely stupid? The T239 APU in the Switch 2 isn't something you can just swap CPUs out with, it's an APU that Nvidia designed with both the Cortex CPU and Ampere GPU on-chip that comes as a single package. Nintendo could not get anything better/newer without the cost of manufacturing ballooning out of control (and Nvidia is notoriously difficult/expensive to work with). They are selling it almost at a loss. Additionally, faster RAM would do jackshit on a significantly lower power chipset, the Switch 2's T239 doesn't seem to be bandwidth starved at all.


There is nothing sad about it, the Series S is indeed poor for 4K gaming but it's a completely different animal (home console) by a completely different manufacturer (AMD) using a completely different instruction set processor (x86 vs arm).

Even if the Series S consumes 74w at gaming, it's still extremely impressive that a mobile chipset is consuming nearly 1/4 of the power while seemingly delivering 2/3-3/4s of the performance and still able to go for hours on battery.

If you think an Xbox or PlayStation handheld is going to be able to achieve much better than the Switch 2 within this year you're on crack. The Steam Deck is quite a bit behind (and arguably dated) in performance and the Rog Ally X/Z2 Extreme handhelds require much more power and heat to outperform the S2.



It's genuinely insane how much of this is either completely false or an extremely inaccurate generalization. The handheld screen doesn't only properly show 30fps. It has ghosting issues, but to say it "only shows 30fps" is so technically illiterate you borderline sound like a troll.

The Deck OLED is $550, so what the fuck are you even talking about?

As someone who actually owns a S2 (after originally not planning on getting one at all), it feels like an immense step up over the incredibly aging S1, and the bigger joycons are much better and it does feel like a pretty sleek and substantial upgrade over the Switch 1. It feels like a much bigger upgrade than PS4 to PS5, and the BC results evidence that.

Whoa, does your mom work at Nintendo? Never seen someone get so worked up defending their favorite console.

My TSMC Apple designed 3nm iPad blows the Nintendo Switch CPU out of the water without a fan and at 15 watts. Within the next 2-3 years, that CPU is going to be a huge bottleneck, I can't imagine 4-6 years from now.