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[Hudo]

It certainly doesn't help that they've also announced that they don't plan to release any new titles for major existing franchises during the next fiscal year. it's kinda embarrassing that they still have trouble with their production pipeline.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yeah, this "ps3 has no games" meme should be updated for PS5. Starting from 2009 (3rd year) ps3 had steady number of great games. We are entering 4th year of PS5 gen and there are barely any games from Sony.

That's just laughable when you consider Spider-Man 2, God of War Ragnarok, GT7, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider-Man Miles Morales, TLOU Part 1, TLOU2 remastered, Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut, Death Stranding Directors Cut, Helldivers 2, Demon's Souls remake.

When you compare year for year the Ps5 is doing fine in terms of content. Ignoring big 3rd party games and 3rd party exclusives.

 

[Xtib81]

I mean, where are the games? Honestly, their AAA output is rather weak. Where are ND, sucker punch, bluepoint and co?

 

[DenchDeckard]

2024 is going to be brutal. No big games from Sony?

What the fuck are they doing over there?

 

[Lord Malachite]

It is a rare thing when video game platform holders and publishers have realistic sales goals. This may actual be somewhat of a tough year for PS5 console sales as the PS5 Pro is coming and if you have not yet purchased a PS5 and want one, there's little reason to grab one now with the mid-gen refresh on the horizon. Though they may potentially price drop the Slim model when we close in on the launch of the Pro, which will goose the numbers. IIRC, PS4 Pro was somewhere between 10 - 15% of the total PS4 install base. So the Slim model is likely to sell quite well if it drops to $400 later this year with a $500 -$550 Pro model.

 

[Varteras]

Lol this thread is fucking hilarious.

 

[SJRB]

Maybe announce some games?

The hype for PS5's future is a fucking flatline. I'm a terminally online gaming forum dweeb and even I don't know what's on the PS5's horizon for 2024, let alone beyond.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It certainly doesn't help that they've also announced that they don't plan to release any new titles for major existing franchises during the next fiscal year. it's kinda embarrassing that they still have trouble with their production pipeline.

Another bad take. While I do think they have pipeline problems, you're ignoring new IP which people have demanded for quite some time. We've seen major titles for almost every major Sony franchise hit already, there were also years with the PS4 where we didn't have existing franchise big titles. The years where games like Day's Gone were the biggest game from Sony.

2014
2015
2017
2019

 

[Elios83]

They had record revenues and the new 21m forecast is still a huge success.
But it became clear that the covid boost was not sustainable and to hit 25m they needed a permanent 100$ price cut.
This would have been absolutely normal in previous generations after 4 years but the current reality is that they can't do that because even with promotions they're still selling the hardware at a loss.

The missed hardware forecast is a direct result of low profitability. Hardware price is not going down like in previous generations, AAA software development costs are rising and the projects take too much to be completed. All their next big heavy hitters are scheduled from 2025 onwards.

In this sense it's clear that their gaas strategy is really important for them, just doing AAA single player games is not sustainable and they will need to use the PC and mobile platforms to grow, on the hardware side the PS5 Pro makes sense to be able to sell more hardware at a higher price.

 

[Varteras]

2024 is going to be brutal. No big games from Sony?

What the fuck are they doing over there?

Beating the shit out of Xbox? Releasing highly praised games? Selling tons of software?

 

[Ozzie666]

This is what happens when you keep chasing graphics, without AI or machine assistance. Development cycles are way to long and too many resources.. Thank god Ninttendo seems reasonable and less impacted overall.
Hopefully Sony will drop something worthwhile for mid to end of year. But it's not looking good.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

This seems more reasonable, especially now. They're definitely not lowering prices. But they do need to release more exclusive games this year(I hope they're ready). That's something they can control, unlike the realities of most people's spending ability right now.

Microsoft did the same with Xbox. They didn't sell 25 units, so they brought it back to 21 units.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin, and Helldivers 2 as a console exclusive.
This conversation is getting tiring, these are all first-party games to SIE, get over it.

Now that everyone is counting non internal games as 1st party, Im gonna say the lack of Internal, PS studio games is not good.

They need more. By this time this generation, Naughty Dog had released Uncharted 4, Guerilla was on the way to releasing there 2nd game, Sucker punch, Japan studios all had exclusives for the console. The only true PS5 exclusives PS studios have released is Spiderman 2 and Demons Souls. You can play the rest elsewhere

 

[Bojji]

That's just laughable when you consider Spider-Man 2, God of War Ragnarok, GT7, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider-Man Miles Morales, TLOU Part 1, TLOU2 remastered, Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut, Death Stranding Directors Cut, Helldivers 2, Demon's Souls remake.

When you compare year for year the Ps5 is doing fine in terms of content. Ignoring big 3rd party games and 3rd party exclusives.

Sm2-ok
Gow2- also on PS4
Hfw- also on PS4
Smmm- also on PS4
Tlous - remake (original on PS3 and PS4)
Tlous 2 - port of PS4 game
Got- port of PS4 game
Ds- port of PS4 game
HD2 -ok, but also on pc day one
Demons souls - remake of PS3 game

Are you kidding me? True exclusives are games that are system sellers and PS5 barely has any.

With PS4 and PC you can almost skip PS5 at this point.

 

[GHG]

Their first party PS5 exclusive lineup’s been pathetic so far, the latter half of the gen better be fucking stacked.

My thoughts exactly. The 1st party games have not been arriving at the rate that we are used to and have come to expect from them. So I don't understand how they could anticipate a different outcome to the one they are facing at the moment.

Their GAAS pivot will set them back years in terms of first party output. So much faffing around for nothing.

Beating the shit out of Xbox? Releasing highly praised games? Selling tons of software?

But this is also true (which is why it's hilarious to see the likes of DenchDouchebag getting all excited), but not of their own making. If Xbox weren't so chronically incompetent then I think they would be under threat. As it stands they are getting away with it.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

One thing to consider is that Helldivers 2 was just a success. It makes sense to buy Arrowhead Studios, but they're not going to release another game for a while. That means you eat the acquisition costs and operating costs of buying and running the studio until they release something else.

This hurts your margins, but it's probably healthy growth.

 

[Robb]

It certainly doesn't help that they've also announced that they don't plan to release any new titles for major existing franchises during the next fiscal year. it's kinda embarrassing that they still have trouble with their production pipeline

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Sm2-ok
Gow2- also on PS4
Hfw- also on PS4
Smmm- also on PS4
Tlous - remake (original on PS3 and PS4)
Tlous 2 - port of PS4 game
Got- port of PS4 game
Ds- port of PS4 game
HD2 -ok, but also on pc day one
Demons souls - remake of PS3 game

Are you kidding me? True exclusives are games that are system sellers and PS5 barely has any.

With PS4 and PC you can almost skip PS5 at this point.

Your argument wasn't whether they were cross platform, your argument was that they haven't released anything.

Is the PS4 still getting cross platform titles post Spider-Man 2 for big name games? Where is the PC version of God of War Ragnarok, GT7, and Spider-Man 2... you're ridiculous.

 

[Aces High]

No surprise there.

They're publishing the same boring cookie cutter graphic demos for a decade.

The constant remastering isn't helping either.

Sweet Baby Inc. woke bullshit is the cherry on top.

Get rekt.

 

[H-I-M]

Massive record revenues, but barely any profit ?
Now I understand why that other company keeps hiding their profit numbers. Must be in red.

 

[GHG]

No surprise there.

They're publishing the same boring cookie cutter graphic demos for a decade.

The constant remastering isn't helping either.

Sweet Baby Inc. woke bullshit is the cherry on top.

Get rekt.

?

They are still setting sales records despite this. You do realise that right? It was also their 2nd biggest quarter on record in terms of revenue.

They had higher than high expectations for their forecast.

 

[Bojji]

Your argument wasn't whether they were cross platform, your argument was that they haven't released anything.

Is the PS4 still getting cross platform titles post Spider-Man 2 for big name games? Where is the PC version of God of War Ragnarok, GT7, and Spider-Man 2... you're ridiculous.

If game is available on previous console then it's not driving people to buy PS5. Pc ports are not day one aside hell drivers (so far) so I don't mention it.

I bought PS5 in 2021 but so far I feel like it's PS4 pro max port and remake machine.

I don't have anything against remakes but they aren't comparable to new games or sequels. Demons souls looks amazing but it's almost 1:1 to 2009 original in gameplay.

 

[Fabieter]

Ps exclusives on switch and xbox soon enough .

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If game is available on previous console then it's not driving people to buy PS5. Pc ports are not day one aside hell drivers (so far) so I don't mention it.

I bought PS5 in 2021 but so far I feel like it's PS4 pro max port and remake machine.

I don't have anything against remakes but they aren't comparable to new games or sequels. Demons souls looks amazing but it's almost 1:1 to 2009 original in gameplay.

Starting with PS4, you're going to see gaming on console become much more similar to PC in the sense that it's now a platform ecosystem. PS6 is going to be a PS5 Pro Pro and so on.

If you aren't interested in remakes, don't buy them. They're not necessarily for you in the first place.

 

[Mister Wolf]

If game is available on previous console then it's not driving people to buy PS5. Pc ports are not day one aside hell drivers (so far) so I don't mention it.

I bought PS5 in 2021 but so far I feel like it's PS4 pro max port and remake machine.

I don't have anything against remakes but they aren't comparable to new games or sequels. Demons souls looks amazing but it's almost 1:1 to 2009 original in gameplay.

The only good use I've got out of it is playing a better version of Ragnarok.

 

[Xtib81]

It certainly doesn't help that they've also announced that they don't plan to release any new titles for major existing franchises during the next fiscal year. it's kinda embarrassing that they still have trouble with their production pipeline.

Damn, that gen is just pure trash. It will be almost 5 years before we get a new batch of AAA games from Sony.

 

[Varteras]

But this is also true (which is why it's hilarious to see the likes of DenchDouchebag getting all excited), but not of their own making. If Xbox weren't so chronically incompetent then I think they would be under threat. As it stands they are getting away with it.

I do so love his new colors though!

 

[Mister Wolf]

Damn, that gen is just pure trash. It will be almost 5 years before we get a new batch of AAA games from Sony.

They killed it when we found out Wolverine would be a late 2025 game. They don't have shit for 2024.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Sm2-ok
Gow2- also on PS4
Hfw- also on PS4
Smmm- also on PS4
Tlous - remake (original on PS3 and PS4)
Tlous 2 - port of PS4 game
Got- port of PS4 game
Ds- port of PS4 game
HD2 -ok, but also on pc day one
Demons souls - remake of PS3 game

Are you kidding me? True exclusives are games that are system sellers and PS5 barely has any.

With PS4 and PC you can almost skip PS5 at this point.

100%
Only Demons Souls and Spiderman 2 are true PS5 exclusives from the internal/PS studios. Everything else is on PS4 or PC.

TLOU1 I guess, but that really wasnt needed as it had a remaster on PS4

Compared to last gen, by this time, the 4th year:


There was
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
Infamous 2nd son
Killzone ( ok this sucked big time )
Knack
Driveclub
Infamous 1st light
The Order
The Last Guardian
Ratchet and Clank

And all the smaller games from smaller studios and Japan studios like Hohokum, little fat princess, entwined,
Thats just till 2016.

2017- same as 2024 for PS4
Horizon Zero Dawn
Uncharted Lost Legacy
GT Sports
Gravity Rush 2
Wipeout
Knack 2
EveryBody's Golf

This doesnt include 3rd party exclusives or remasters like TLOU Remaster, Resogun, Helldivers, Nioh, Yakuza etc

And we knew games like God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Shadow of the Collosus remake and Spiderman were coming

 

[GHG]

I do so love his new colors though!

 

[Jinzo Prime]

Posting the slides here:

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

According to the latest data:

• There are 123 million monthly active users on PlayStation Network as of December 31, 2023, which is up 11 million from the 112 million active users during the same period the previous fiscal year.
• PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 4 software combined sold 89.7 million units during the three months ended December 31, 2023, which is up 3.2 million from the 86.5 million software sold during the same period the previous fiscal year. 16.2 million units were first-party titles, which is down 4.6 million from the 20.8 million units sold during the same period the previous fiscal year. 66 percent of software sales were full game software digital downloads, which is up four percent from the same period the previous fiscal year.
• Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 has sold-through 10 million units as of February 4, 2024.

 

[ProtoByte]

Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin, and Helldivers 2 as a console exclusive.
This conversation is getting tiring, these are all first-party games to SIE, get over it.

Moreover, they're not the "3rd person cinematic template" that people keep insisting is somehow holding Sony down, and 2 of them come from the East!

Let's see how they sell. Put your money where your mouths are forum-dwellers.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

After reading this thread... Oof.

Just a friendly reminder that PS numbers are still throught the roof all across the board, it's just the targets were a bit crazy.

 

[ProtoByte]

4 years into the generation and not having a steady clip of first party games will do that for you.

On what planet is this the case? And, by the way, may I ask exactly who else is making a better example? 3rd or 1st party?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This was clear as day to me:


I suspect that they expected a bigger boost from PS5 Slim sales. Tom Hendersons Pro rumours have probably put a real damper on things too.

I dunno.
I'd put it more on lack of major titles and bad economy/inflation.

Since only ~10% bought a PS4 Pro, doubt the rumors will have a significant impact.
I'd actually argue that this doesn't bode very well for a more expensive Pro-model.

 

[pasterpl]

That's just laughable when you consider Spider-Man 2, God of War Ragnarok, GT7, Horizon Forbidden West, Spider-Man Miles Morales, TLOU Part 1, TLOU2 remastered, Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut, Death Stranding Directors Cut, Helldivers 2, Demon's Souls remake.

When you compare year for year the Ps5 is doing fine in terms of content. Ignoring big 3rd party games and 3rd party exclusives.

You realise that what you listed is sequel, sequel, sequel, sequel, dlc, remaster, remaster, remaster, remaster, sequel, remake. Some cross-gen.
But you forgot Returnal which is new IP.

 

[NonPhixion]

Damn! Does anyone know what I’m gonna be able to play on my PS5 besides FF7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade? I hear the ps5 is gonna have no games to play

 

[Varteras]

Damn! Does anyone know what I’m gonna be able to play on my PS5 besides FF7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade? I hear the ps5 is gonna have no games to play

Sell your console. Even Xbox exclusives won't save it now. It was a good run, though.

 

[Sakura]

?

They are still setting sales records despite this. You do realise that right? It was also their 2nd biggest quarter on record in terms of revenue.

They had higher than high expectations for their forecast.

The revenue is so high because the yen is trash.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

100%
Only Demons Souls and Spiderman 2 are true PS5 exclusives from the internal/PS studios. Everything else is on PS4 or PC.

TLOU1 I guess, but that really wasnt needed as it had a remaster on PS4

Compared to last gen, by this time, the 4th year:


There was
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
Infamous 2nd son
Killzone ( ok this sucked big time )
Knack
Driveclub
Little big planet 3
Infamous 1st light
The Order
Teraway
Last of Us left behind
The Last Guardian
Ratchet and Clank

And all the smaller games from smaller studios and Japan studios like Hohokum, little fat princess, entwined,
Thats just till 2016.

2017- same as 2024 for PS4
Horizon Zero Dawn
Uncharted Lost Legacy
GT Sports
Gravity Rush 2
Wipeout
Knack 2
EveryBody's Golf

This doesnt include 3rd party exclusives or remasters like TLOU Remaster, Resogun, Helldivers, Nioh, Yakuza etc

And we knew games like God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Shadow of the Collosus remake and Spiderman were coming

Uncharted 4 is also on PC as is TLOU Left Behind. Same with Horizon Zero Dawn and Lost Legacy.

If you want to objectively compare Ps4 and Ps5 you'd compared 2013-2017 to 2020-2024 (which isn't over yet).

Sony is more tight-lipped about their games, but that doesn't mean they aren't coming.

Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Horizon Forbidden West
Gran Turismo 7
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2


The only thing that comes close to these titles within that time period was Uncharted 4

But why am i arguing with you. You'll mention SoTC remake as a positive, but ignore remakes on PS5...

 

[Seyken]

Holy crap, we have some hot takes in this thread...Didn't we just have an awesome year in 2023? Sony released ONE tentpole game in Spider-Man 2, and guess what? I had WAY more games to play all year than I could ever hope to. Sony's business is not entirely predicated on 1st party exclusive software as opposed to a company like Nintendo, that pretty much rides everything on them.

I will never understand the hate that comes for games that are cross gen. We have reached a point on PS4 where pretty much any game can be made to run there if you make enough cuts. We had The Witcher 3 running on a Switch during last generation for god's sake. Do you guys also complain when you see that someone with a GTX 1060 can run your next-gen game, albeit with cutbacks?

 

[GigaBowser]

 

[Skifi28]

Damn! Does anyone know what I’m gonna be able to play on my PS5 besides FF7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade? I hear the ps5 is gonna have no games to play

You can't have fun with those, they aren't first party.

 

[ULTROS!]

Honestly, maybe they should invest less in Western development and probably more on Asian development? I feel like Western development has gone way too expensive.

 

[ProtoByte]

Massive record revenues, but barely any profit ?
Now I understand why that other company keeps hiding their profit numbers. Must be in red.

The margins on selling games are low across the industry, unless you're Nintendo selling 7th gen tech titles at premium prices and keeping those prices sticky.

If people want better tech, better quality and faster dev times, they're gonna have to be willing to compromise on virtue signaling about game industry work culture and be willing to pay the goddamn appropriate price. You're not going to go 15 years without an increase to the 70 USD price tag, especially not after 2020-current inflation.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Sony just need to buy the stellar blade and Ronin Devs and then we can magically call them first party exclusives

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Damn! Does anyone know what I’m gonna be able to play on my PS5 besides FF7 Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade? I hear the ps5 is gonna have no games to play

Helldivers 2

 

[GHG]

The revenue is so high because the yen is trash.

The yen is stronger now than it was this time last year.

Try again.

 

[Elysium44]

Their expectations were quite lofty, the best PS2 year was 22 million.

That was 21 years ago, the population of the world has risen by nearly 2 billion since then, hundreds of millions of whom are in countries where a PS5 is available and affordable.