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[Critical Hit]

Miss the prices during the mining boom?

According to some estimates (in the video), the deficit may persist for 10 years.
Perhaps that's why Sony said that the PlayStation 5 is "only in the middle of the journey".
This will affect anything with ram/nand.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Thank you Patagonia bros! Can't wait for incredible application of AI to make my life better...

ChatGPT will soon allow erotica for verified adults, OpenAI boss says

CEO Sam Altman says upcoming versions of the popular chatbot would enable it to behave in a more human-like way - "but only if you want it".

www.bbc.com

 

[Parazels]

I'm generally optimistic. Humanity is on the eve of many groundbreaking inventions that can make life easier, including in gaming.

 

[Moses85]

 

[Tobimacoss]

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

 

[daninthemix]

I'm generally optimistic. Humanity is on the eve of many groundbreaking inventions that can make life easier, including in gaming.

I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

Not a big deal, the real q is the real value of the next Xbox PC cause it could go sideways and MS charge us extra %100 just for the Asus logo or if we're lucky, it could be the smartest $1200 build we've ever seen, who knows.

 

[Critical Hit]

Humanity is on the eve of many groundbreaking inventions that can make life easier, including in gaming.

Easier? Yes. Cheaper, though? Probably not anytime soon.

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

It may be released in 2030. Or perhaps a miracle will occur sooner and the AI bubble will burst. At least the part of it that does not yield practical results.
Although I think that in the future we will see them selling AI accelerators to normies as "your local personal chatbot."

 

[KungFucius]

I'm generally optimistic. Humanity is on the eve of many groundbreaking inventions that can make life easier, including in gaming.

And when this happens only those in control profit from it while the rest of us get fucked. We are currently fucked by increased costs of electricity and now RAM and other Semiconductors.

 

[Laptop1991]

Glad i just bought my new PC, you know they will stick a lot more on the price for RAM etc than they need to, it's going to be the GPU scenario all over again from a few years ago.

 

[demigod]

I still think a $599 S Console with PC store access, no online multiplayer could do decently well. 40 CU RDNA5 is quite powerful, even more so than a Series X. The PS6 handheld will only be 15 CU RDNA5.

MS wouldn't be taking a loss on it either unlike the current Series S.

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

Lololol.

 

[Liopleurodon]

It won't if you have a brain.

 

[Bernardougf]

Eventually this industry will have to hold, development costs, parts costs, games , etc all are going rapidly up but with very diminishing returns ...

I know its an unpopular opinion but things probably should just stop for a gen and the new systems should comeout just 2030 and forward, right now coming from the ps4 to ps5 gen and all that I played.. I see ZERO reasons for new hardware.

Sure theres some better lights here and shadows there, and some nice puddle reflexes ... definitely nothing worth it of a whole new gen and new expendings and even more development costs.

All this companys do is complain about long dev time and costs and do absolutely nothing about it .. just keep pushing it all forward.

Maybe.. just maybe .. we dont need 7 years gen anymore... pretty soon people will be buying the ps6 to play the exact same looking and feeling games with zero innovation outside some pretty lights/reflexes and 120 fake fps.

 

[RoboFu]

Good, maybe devs will optimize their engines instead of relying on the next group of gpus.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

I still have a very difficult time believing that the PS6 will be close to a PS5 price-wise and cheaper than the PS5 Pro.

 

[IAmRei]

As with graphic demand, development cost also up, because anything else are following that logic. The gameplay will not improve much, the investor will also demand more, and the publisher will need to make sure return of investment. They will need to play safe. The price will need to go up as well based on all above. I said Nothing new, will be stay the same for maybe long time

 

[Tobimacoss]

Lololol.

You missed the point that I was talking about a possible S SKU, 20-30% weaker than a PS6. Not the Magnus X SKU which is not going to be less than $1000. Likely $1200 if the tariffs and ram prices hold.

Ps6 Handheld Canis - $499

Ps6 Orion - $699

Xbox Magnus S - $599

Xbox Magnus X - $999

That was my original prediction, but you can now add $100 to each device.

So $599 handheld, $799 PS6, $699 Xbox S, $1199 Xbox X

 

[GoldenEye98]

I still have a very difficult time believing that the PS6 will be close to a PS5 price-wise and cheaper than the PS5 Pro.

$700 would seriously limit the install base potential imo...and I don't think Sony wants that.

I still think they target $600. That's probably the sweet spot in terms of offering enough of an upgrade and still getting a decent install base over the long term.

 

[Tobimacoss]

$700 would seriously limit the install base potential imo...and I don't think Sony wants that.

I still think they target $600. That's probably the sweet spot in terms of offering enough of an upgrade and still getting a decent install base over the long term.

The install base for casuals would be the dockable handheld, and maybe a TV only variant of the Canis chip.

 

[Poppinfresh]

I know its an unpopular opinion but things probably should just stop for a gen and the new systems should comeout just 2030 and forward, right now coming from the ps4 to ps5 gen and all that I played.. I see ZERO reasons for new hardware.

2029/2030 sounds about right.

We also don't need the 6000 series NVIDIA GPUs in 2027. Mid to late 2028 would make a hell of a lot more sense.

 

[HRK69]

I know its an unpopular opinion but things probably should just stop for a gen and the new systems should comeout just 2030 and forward, right now coming from the ps4 to ps5 gen and all that I played.. I see ZERO reasons for new hardware.

Exactly this. Seriously. I've been trying to articulate the same feeling, but you nailed it

Its wild to think that even a year ago people here were already speculating about PS6 launch titles. Can we just… breathe for a second? We've got an entire generation of hardware right in front of us with an absurd number of great games to play, and somehow everyone's already sprinting toward the next shiny thing

 

[GoldenEye98]

The install base for casuals would be the dockable handheld, and maybe a TV only variant of the Canis chip.

That's risky though. PS6 game support for Canis would certainly have to be mandated then(at least for docked mode). Otherwise a lot of consumers would be left hanging between a device that doesn't get all next gen games or a $700 device. I don't see Sony putting themselves in that position.

 

[Tobimacoss]

That's risky though. PS6 game support for Canis would certainly have to be mandated then(at least for docked mode). Otherwise a lot of consumers would be left hanging between a device that doesn't get all next gen games or a $700 device. I don't see Sony putting themselves in that position.

The device will be more powerful than a Series S, I think they can get the TV variant down to $349 and mandate 2 SKU support.

 

[demigod]

AMD CEO confirmed Console library BC for Magnus and the rest of the Xbox portfolio. So GTA6 will be running best on Magnus hardware until official PC release.

Probably. At least $799. I am expecting Magnus AT3 (S SKU) at $549, and Magnus AT2 (X SKU) at $799. And OEM variants with higher storage, ram, clocks, at $100-$200 more than the MS baseline.

And Xbox PC with Magnus AT2 starting at $1200. Ones with Magnus AT1, up to $2k.

You missed the point that I was talking about a possible S SKU, 20-30% weaker than a PS6. Not the Magnus X SKU which is not going to be less than $1000. Likely $1200 if the tariffs and ram prices hold.

Ps6 Handheld Canis - $499

Ps6 Orion - $699

Xbox Magnus S - $599

Xbox Magnus X - $999

That was my original prediction, but you can now add $100 to each device.

So $599 handheld, $799 PS6, $699 Xbox S, $1199 Xbox X

What point did i miss?

I like how you inflate the ps price yet undercut the xbox price.

 

[salva]

Good, this should lockout the peasant normies

 

[GoldenEye98]

The device will be more powerful than a Series S, I think they can get the TV variant down to $349 and mandate 2 SKU support.

It being more powerful than Series S is kinda irrelevant though. It's about the relative power to PS6.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Maybe the gaming industry will target the Switch 2 for all game development. 12GB should be enough for anyone, for the next decade or so.

 

[Metnut]

PS5 is still affordable given inflation and gives you access to almost every big game. Per Valve themselves the PS5 is more powerful than the vast majority of PCs and that's not even counting the huge optimization you see for a mega platform like PS5.

Take a look at all the Black Friday sales. Tons of AAA and great games on sale for $20-$40. Hundreds of hours of great content often at less than $1 per power.

Compare that to when i go out with my wife to a nice cocktail bar and am paying $20-$25 per drink or $15-20 for a nice glass of wine and gaming is still a bargain.

 

[Inanilmaz]

My Backlog will become more Bigger (again)

 

[Zacfoldor]

Nintendo released at the perfect time and price point then.

Not too early not too late. Just right.

 

[PlayStaytion]

And when this happens only those in control profit from it while the rest of us get fucked. We are currently fucked by increased costs of electricity and now RAM and other Semiconductors.

jawa, use this site for building your rig from used components, I've only heard nice things about this site cause, FYI, the real cost of pc components comes from labor, not the actual component itself and that's how they get cheap.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I've got a bridge to sell you.

Built in Sora

 

[MacReady13]

Everything just needs to slow down. It is why I am hoping that something like the Gabecube succeeds big time to show that we don't need all the bells and whistles to game.

 

[kiphalfton]

Yeah, if you look at how pretty much everything has sky rocketed since 2021, I think we're screwed.

 

[IDKFA]

No surprise.

Yeah, if you look at how pretty much everything has sky rocketed since 2021, I think we're screwed.

And this is why. Everything has shot up in price since covid. Everything except wages anyway.

We're heading for another financial crisis. Just a question of when.

 

[kiphalfton]

No surprise.


And this is why. Everything has shot up in price since covid. Everything except wages anyway.

We're heading for another financial crisis. Just a question of when.

Job hopping, which is generally how you get the best returns, isn't even all that practical any more.

I wouldn't doubt it if all these companies are colluding when it comes to pay, and trying to see how low they can all go.

 

[Durin]

Definitely does suck, if you wanna build a PC I would be looking for whatever smaller brands aren't jacking costs up yet, or stores sitting on old stock.

I was psyched my old 2019 PC parts still work for this NAS I'm building. Only have to replace the case to store more HDDs, a new power supply, and then the HDDs themselves. Mobo, CPU and RAM are thankfully working great still.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

And some companies think that releasing super expensive hardware is the answer.... And this Gen is begging to be longer than any other one.

 

[KeplerL2]

Any1 still think PS6 Orion will be $599? Lol

Yes, RAM/NAND prices are going up because Samsung/SK Hynix/Micron are all betting the AI bubble will pop soon and aren't building more capacity.

 

[awwr999999]

I'm generally optimistic. Humanity is on the eve of many groundbreaking inventions that can make life easier, including in gaming.

Gaming stopped improving a long time ago.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Yes, RAM/NAND prices are going up because Samsung/SK Hynix/Micron are all betting the AI bubble will pop soon and aren't building more capacity.

So why would a 52 CU device cost $599, and a 68 CU device be $1200??

I get that Magnus will have more of everything, like ram, size, cooling but what is the actual Bill of Materials for both Orion, Canis, and Magnus AT2?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

And some companies think that releasing super expensive hardware is the answer.... And this Gen is begging to be longer than any other one.

It should be longer, but greed an naivety will still push it out the door asap.

 

[Critical Hit]

but you can now add $100 to each device.

Could be more.

12GB should be enough for anyone, for the next decade or so.

Only if you play in 720p-1440p

 

[Critical Hit]

A new post on the Chinese Board Channels forum claims that AMD has notified partners about a second price increase for its GPUs, this time tied directly to higher memory procurement costs. The post says AMD already applied a small adjustment around October that did not change retail prices, while the next hike is expected to be larger and cover all models, with no fixed implementation date yet.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-raise-gpu-prices-just-as-radeon-rx-9070-xt-finally-reaches-msrp

 

[kevboard]

the AI bubble can't burst fast enough.

 

[Tobimacoss]

What point did i miss?

I like how you inflate the ps price yet undercut the xbox price.

You are combining quotes from different points in time, when we didn't have full details. Now that the specs are practically finalized, according to K KeplerL2 , and his speculation is $599 for Orion and $1199 for Magnus AT2.

The price points I came up with were based on the number of CUs and the prospective power of the devices.

Canis being 15 CU, Orion being 52 CU, Magnus AT2 being 68 CU.

So IF MS were to do a 40 CU Magnus AT3 S tier console, please explain to me why it would cost more than Orion?

 

[KeplerL2]

You are combining quotes from different points in time, when we didn't have full details. Now that the specs are practically finalized, according to K KeplerL2 , and his speculation is $599 for Orion and $1199 for Magnus AT2.

The price points I came up with were based on the number of CUs and the prospective power of the devices.

Canis being 15 CU, Orion being 52 CU, Magnus AT2 being 68 CU.

So IF MS were to do a 40 CU Magnus AT3 S tier console, please explain to me why it would cost more than Orion?

I'm assuming MS will not subsidize Magnus. If it's subsidized $800-900 is possible.

 

[Tobimacoss]

I'm assuming MS will not subsidize Magnus. If it's subsidized $800-900 is possible.

I don't think Totoki wants to subsidize hardware either.

Sony wants to improve PlayStation profit margins with more aggressive PC release strategy | VGC

Hiroki Totoki says the company has to “proactively work on” making more games multi-platform…

www.videogameschronicle.com

In terms of hardware, he noted that "cost reduction in this console cycle is really difficult to come by" compared to previous generations, due to the increased price of components, and implied that console prices wouldn't be dropping while it looked for ways to improve margins.

"How can we, given the situation, put our product lines together to make it affordable, without relying on steep discounts, to reasonably sell them to continue our commercial journey on a sustainable basis?" he asked. "I personally think that's important, and there is an opportunity in that."

 

[yurinka]

Gaming will become more expensive (again)

Get a PS5, they'll discount them for Black Friday.

Perhaps that's why Sony said that the PlayStation 5 is "only in the middle of the journey".

No, Sony said that in PS4 players have been engaged for a longer period of time partly due to live service games and more late support because games take longer to be made than before, which is causing PS4 to have a longer life than expected.

She said that they are seeing that in PS5 too with even better engagement numbers, and live service games are now even more popular and games take even longer to be made. So very likely PS5's life will be even longer.

Even considering that, Sony's home consoles lasted minimum 10 years. And PS5 is on its 5th year, which means it's aproximatedly nearing the half of its generation.

This doesn't mean that its successor will be delayed. PS released their home consoles first with a difference of 6 years and later with a difference of 7 years. Which means very likely PS6 will be released late 2027 even if PS5 will last way beyond that, like PS4 is lasting well beyond after the PS5 release.

the AI bubble can't burst fast enough.

It will burst just after the wheel bubble bursts, the electricity bubble bursts, the computers bubble bursts and the internet bubble bursts.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

It's one thing after another with this industry. I begrudgingly upgraded in the summer and wasn't satisfied with the value, and once again it's getting even worse.