Gandalf is an asshole.
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AbortedWalrusFetus
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Teh Hamburglar said:
Not really. In the movie you see less than a dozen Eagles. You also see shit like cave trolls, an Elf shoot down an elephant, ballistae, etc, so they probably would have been able to do something in the air, especially with nazgul. What were they going to do, fly over top and drop it? Not only would Sauron have seen them coming with scouts DAYS before they got there, he probably would have had something in place to stop it pretty quickly. It's not even a stretch.
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AbortedWalrusFetus said:
where in the movie did they explain all this? They didn't. Its a plot hole.
Monocle
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Obviously Sauron would have been alerted by his spies that his lost ring was about to be delivered right on his doorstep. Then the path would be open for a simple four-step plan to world domination.
1. Dispatch Nazgul on winged mounts.
2. Nazgul fuck up eagles and Frodo.
3. Nazgul retrieve the One Ring.
4. Orgy of destruction.
1. Dispatch Nazgul on winged mounts.
2. Nazgul fuck up eagles and Frodo.
3. Nazgul retrieve the One Ring.
4. Orgy of destruction.
fireside said:
Eh, Aragorn promised to set them free after they turned the tide at Minas Tirith. If he kept them captive he would have portrayed himself as no more honorable than a regular man. It would have hinted that he was corruptible and it would have made him denying the one ring less believable.
The main problem I've always had with stories like this is that the entire area of land all these different races live on and such never seems to be bigger than the state of Texas. Kinda like how the land of Hyrule in Zelda games is always about the size of two Wal-Mart Supercenter parking lots.
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interestingly, I watched the series a couple of weeks ago in HD and during the first movie I thought the same thing. Like everyone, i've seen all 3 movies multiple times. But this time it occured to me...if he had the ability to summon eagles to rescue them...why didn't he summon them to go to the mountain in the first place?Snaku said:
That's right, Gandalf Stormcrow is an asshole. He sent an innocent bright-eyed hobbit on a perilous journey that ultimately cost the poor bastard its life. For what? He could have sent Frodo & the Ring on an eagle(s) and ended the threat of Sauron in a matter of days. So what was the point of dragging it out?
I just made some shit up to put my mind at ease. I figured that because Saron was still alive, his eye would have seen the eagles coming and sent his goons to handle them. Or that the general amount of evil juice Sauron oozes would have been too much for pure animals like eagles to get too close to his vicinity without becoming influenced or sickened in some way.
idk. maybe the book affords some real justification?
grandjedi6
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Tolkien made LotR to be groundwork for a "English mythology". So Middle-earth's size is clearly based upon England's + western Europe.scitek said:
Zelda is clearly just a game limitation (hence why it increases in scope every generation).
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reason to why Gandalf didn't have Frodo ride the Eagles is because Sauron's eye would have spotted them and if that happened they would be screwed. That's why they sent in such a small group of people so that they'd be unnoticed by Sauron.
obvious
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The Chosen One
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There was an awesome gif posted a few years back that had them all debating in Rivendale and then Gandalf just says "fuckit" and takes the ring on the back of the eagles. A lock of she-elf hair to the person who can relocate that gif.
That said, this thread is about 7 years too late.
That said, this thread is about 7 years too late.
Dreams-Visions
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that was my assumption. initially I was too shared the TC's concern...then I dismissed it after a few minutes of critical thought.GhaleonEB said:
http://i39.tinypic.com/sw66hw.gif <- Ninja Wizards
http://i40.tinypic.com/242hled.gif <- Eagles
http://i42.tinypic.com/28k7eao.gif <- Has gay jokes
http://i40.tinypic.com/242hled.gif <- Eagles
http://i42.tinypic.com/28k7eao.gif <- Has gay jokes
Dude, Gandalf could've just as well bailed and returned to Valinor and shit. He was almost a demigod and wanted to have fun.
But why just summon eagles and solve the problem when you can look at petty mortals trying to do something with it?
Yeah, he was an asshole. But he just wanted to have some fun before he leaves middle-earth!
But why just summon eagles and solve the problem when you can look at petty mortals trying to do something with it?
Yeah, he was an asshole. But he just wanted to have some fun before he leaves middle-earth!
immortal elves, scary magic eyes, enchanted forests and wizards are not plot holes. These discussions are always about consistency, not realism, as some people seem to think. For the record i don't think the eagles 'plot hole' is really worth discussing. Sure it wasn't the most elegant of literary devices, but there are ways to explain it without conflicting with previous information.
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Gandalf is painted as somewhat of a jerk in the books and movie, but he gets things done.
I was always under the impression that 2 things were happening.
-Most things were not aware of the danger Middle Earth was in, so many inhabitants didn't involve themselves in including a lot of humans (or the hobbits for that matter). The eagles simply weren't interested in the battle. Reminds me of the Ents who had to see their forest destroyed before they did something.
- The eagles owed Gandalf a favor and did things at his request not at man's. Because of their wisdom and foresight, they were able to discern the danger presented to them (I thought this is why they aided in the Hobbit too) and acted accordingly.
As an audience member I didn't see their spotty help as a plothole. I had more problems with the undead army being released before the final battle (In the movie. I haven't gotten that far in the books yet).
I was always under the impression that 2 things were happening.
-Most things were not aware of the danger Middle Earth was in, so many inhabitants didn't involve themselves in including a lot of humans (or the hobbits for that matter). The eagles simply weren't interested in the battle. Reminds me of the Ents who had to see their forest destroyed before they did something.
- The eagles owed Gandalf a favor and did things at his request not at man's. Because of their wisdom and foresight, they were able to discern the danger presented to them (I thought this is why they aided in the Hobbit too) and acted accordingly.
As an audience member I didn't see their spotty help as a plothole. I had more problems with the undead army being released before the final battle (In the movie. I haven't gotten that far in the books yet).
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What a thread!! :lol :lol :lol
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