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[Espresso]

Prison is a little excessive don't you think...?

Obviously.

 

[Omni]

Prison time? How fucking stupid.

 

[Lamel]

No they cannot.. How many whites only signs have you seen?

Not that I condone it, but I guess the guy should have just said I am not making the cake for you, without specifying the reason.

Oh well.

A year of jail time is excessive, but he should be fined or something.

 

[xavi42]

They are making the owners of that establishment into victims. Bad move.

 

[AoM]

Theoretically could they never refuse to make a cake for someone? Like, crazy example, KK wants a super offensive cake, can they refuse them service?

Reminds me of a scene from Southland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzp8jHzKfQ

 

[Gallbaro]

Why would you get a cake from a Colorado bakery for your wedding in Massachusetts?

To troll for a lawsuit?

 

[DrForester]

Why would you get a Colorado bakery to make a cake for your wedding in Massachusetts?


Edit: so beaten...

 

[KHarvey16]

Prison time is only a possible punishment, and only if this business refuses to honor the demands made by the court if he were to lose his case.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

I wonder if this was like finding out about Santa

Spoiler

being fake

for this couple? Like they loved the cakes this bakery made and when they went to order one their hearts broke a little to see these people's true side.

Jail time is a bit much tho.

Not that I condone it, but I guess the guy should have just said I am not making the cake for you, without specifying the reason.

Oh well.

A year of jail time is excessive, but he should be fined or something.

I also thought this. Maybe the owners were making some dumb stand or point or some shit?

 

[East Lake]

Prison time is a bit nuts but I'm not sure at this point he is even facing that. AP says it could be a fine or at most the jail time if he refuses to cooperate.

The complaint seeks to force Masterpiece Cakeshop to "cease and desist" the practice of refusing wedding cakes for gay couples, and to tell the public that their business is open to everyone.

If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-gay-discrimination-alleged-over-wedding-cake

 

[Kangi]

Prison time is a bit nuts but I'm not sure at this point he is even facing that. AP says it could be a fine or at most the jail time if he refuses to cooperate.



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-gay-discrimination-alleged-over-wedding-cake

and alleging that the owners have a history of turning away same-sex couples.

And there it is.

 

[Suikoguy]

Prison time is a bit nuts but I'm not sure at this point he is even facing that. AP says it could be a fine or at most the jail time if he refuses to cooperate.



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-gay-discrimination-alleged-over-wedding-cake

As I suspected

 

[hom3land]

Reminds me of a scene from Southland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzp8jHzKfQ

That came to mind as well. Though couldn't remember if it was from southland (rip)/cops/reno 911.

 

[shira]

Jeez make the cake already. Free money baker guy.

 

[KHarvey16]

To troll for a lawsuit?

Can you think of a reason a gay couple might get married in Massachusetts instead of Colorado, where they live?

 

[freenudemacusers]

Don't want to say something that will get me banned.....

lol

 

[sn00zer]

Reminds me of a scene from Southland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzp8jHzKfQ

Yeah i mean exactly this

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

i actually feel like, if you're a private business, you can put up white only sign. it's just that, i dunno, in this day and age,and anywhere outside of the south, you would lose all businesses...which would defeat the point of operating one

Lol even in the South you would lose huge business in any med-big city. Birmingham for example is like 75% black.

 

[The Technomancer]

i actually feel like, if you're a private business, you can put up white only sign. it's just that, i dunno, in this day and age, and anywhere outside of the south, you would lose all businesses...which would defeat the point of operating one

Have we forgotten Chik-Fil-A appreciation day so quickly?

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

Have we forgotten Chik-Fil-A appreciation day so quickly?

that was against gays. not against black people. two separate types of people.

 

[Blood Diamonds]

I mean I'm gay and all but prison time is a little too mu-

And there it is.

Ooooohhhhhhhhh......

 

[freenudemacusers]

that was against gays. not against black people. two separate types of people.

same difference. but you don't think there's anything wrong with being against homosexuality so eh.

 

[The Technomancer]

that was against gays. not against black people. two separate types of people.

1.)This article is about gay people. Not black people.

2.)Do you believe the passage of anti-discrimination laws had no effect on the progress of civil rights both legally and in terms of public perception?

 

[blame space]

wait this article is about who?

 

[The Technomancer]

Also do we have a better source for this yet?

 

[Zaptruder]

Discriminate against gay people outside of prison...

Get sent to prison in America.

Ultimate ironic punishment?

 

[Kangi]

Also do we have a better source for this yet?

\http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-gay-discrimination-alleged-over-wedding-cake

.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

1.)This article is about gay people. Not black people.

2.)Do you believe the passage of anti-discrimination laws had no effect on the progress of civil rights both legally and in terms of public perception?

considering the fact that a lot of black people are against homosexuality, then you're comparing apples and oranges.

like i said, if a store comes out and say, we are against black people shopping here, do you think there'll be such a thing as that store's appreciation day by non-black customers? especially with this country's history?

I doubt it.

same difference. but you don't think there's anything wrong with being against homosexuality so eh.

personally? I think people are free to have whatever opinion they might have. As long as they don't use that opinion to physically or emotionally harm another person, then all the more power to them. if they express it, then you'll know which ones are the stupid one, and can think of them so.

 

[Devolution]

considering the fact that a lot of black people are against homosexuality, then you're comparing apples and oranges.

like i said, if a store comes out and say, we are against black people shopping here, do you think there'll be such a thing as that store's appreciation day by non-black customers? especially with this country's history?

I doubt it.

This doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[The Technomancer]

considering the fact that a lot of black people are against homosexuality, then you're comparing apples and oranges.

like i said, if a store comes out and say, we are against black people shopping here, do you think there'll be such a thing as that store's appreciation day by non-black customers? especially with this country's history?

I doubt it.

I feel like you're deliberately missing the point. That was totally socially acceptable 40 years ago. Do you think the passing of laws had nothing to do with the fact that that has now changed?

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

This doesn't make a lick of sense.

see the voting breakdown of California's proposition 8.

 

[giga]

Prison time is a bit nuts but I'm not sure at this point he is even facing that. AP says it could be a fine or at most the jail time if he refuses to cooperate.



http://bigstory.ap.org/article/colo-gay-discrimination-alleged-over-wedding-cake

And there it is. It's actually the baker's attorney who says he could face prison time. Nothing says he will though.

Cool story, Reagan coalition.

 

[Devolution]

see the voting breakdown of California's proposition 8.

Your statement still doesn't make sense and that's not exactly true.

 

[The Technomancer]

personally? I think people are free to have whatever opinion they might have. As long as they don't use that opinion to physically or emotionally harm another person, then all the more power to them. if they express it, then you'll know which ones are the stupid one, and can think of them so.

Wait, do you not think discrimination is emotionally harmful? Because that's the assumption that I think most of us are kind of just assuming is an axiom

 

[Deified Data]

All Colorado did was add sexual orientation to the list of classifications you cannot discriminate against when offering public accommodations.

Here we go. People shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against others for their sexual orientation. I have no problem with businesses having been forced to serve blacks in the 60's and I have no problem with this. Fuck the haters. One more step towards an ideal culture in my view.

And an American Spectator story by way of "Reagancoalition.com"? Haha.

 

[patapuf]

Why not just make him pay a big fine?

Prison time isn't going to do much. It's not like he's dangerous.

 

[Monocle]

I just don't see how society would benefit from locking the guy up. Maybe suspending his business license for x number of weeks/months?

Yeah, the punishment doesn't fit. He's not a danger to society. He's just an idiot.

 

[Barbacoatl]

They must be really good cakes for all that hassle.

But seriously, I find amazing that on this year and age people will rationalize blatant discrimination. One of the things I love about the city I live in is that basically every business has a sign that reads "In this place we don't discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation or socio-economic status". Feels good. Feels very 2013.

 

[Deified Data]

Why not just make him pay a big fine?

Prison time isn't going to do much. It's not like he's dangerous.

That's exactly what they're going to do. Guy's attorney is just drumming up sympathy by exaggerating the situation.

 

[Speevy]

Force them to have a weekly "Gay Cake" day.

Like a senior discount but the cashier asks "Are you gay?" and gives everyone a free cake who says yes.

Eventually everyone is gay and the guy learns tolerance.

 

[Kuroyume]

I can't believe people on here think it is okay for a business to discriminate because it's a private business. It's so absurd I have to believe you're tolling for repspnses. Here's a scenario... If it were okay, white descriminating business owners could shore up all retail space in an area and prohibit non whites from using local businesses effectively segregating an area. It would mean non whites would have to travel far to get a service.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Sounds good. They need to throw people in prison for not filling prescriptions too...

 

[ivysaur12]

see the voting breakdown of California's proposition 8.

See every single poll that's been done about gay marriage in the US that shows, demographically, a clear majority of black Americans are for gay marriage. If you want to use a non-scientific exit poll from one state over 4 years ago as your evidence for a bombastic proclemation, I can't help you there.

Reminds me of a scene from Southland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqzp8jHzKfQ

GOD I miss this show. Screw everyone who never watched.

And there it is.

Yup. Yeesh.

 

[Pyramid head]

If you're actions are governed by some irrational hatred for a certain group of people then it's probably for the best that you don't enter into any public facing service or retail industry where you will inevitably come into contact with them. Better yet, stay at home, lock your doors and rot. Society won't miss you.

 

[delirium]

I can't believe people on here think it is okay for a business to discriminate because it's a private business. It's so absurd I have to believe you're tolling for repspnses. Here's a scenario... If it were okay, white descriminating business owners could shore up all retail space in an area and prohibit non whites from using local businesses effectively segregating an area. It would mean non whites would have to travel far to get a service.

You can technically discriminate all you want. The gov't just protects certain cases where you can't discriminate against (race, religion, citizenship, sexual orientation, gender, etc).

 

[BowieZ]

Prison time seems a bit much (though I'm not sure of the state's history of what crimes induce what sorts of sentences) - I mean, to act as a deterrent for future crimes of that nature, I guess?

But forcing them to sit in on LGBT awareness seminars and related community service seems a bit more productive than daily bouts of gay sex in prison.

You can discriminate as much as you want unless its a protected category. Sexual orientation is a protected category.

It's surprising to me how few people know this.

 

[Enzom21]

see the voting breakdown of California's proposition 8.

Those exit polls were wrong, but keep believing us big scary negroes are to blame.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/issues/egan_sherrill_prop8_1_6_09.pdf
Hey look at that, Latino/Hispanic's must be against homosexuality they are 1% higher than blacks.

 

[Skunkers]

I don't understand how you don't understand this, or anyone else in this thread for that matter. How do you think it should be a right to discriminate? It's a public business, and under Public Accomodation as well as a history of Civil Rights acts, you can't treat any customer/consumer differently, and rightfully so. What's hard to understand about that?

http://cdn.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/DORA-DCR/CBON/DORA/1251629367385
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

I think some people are confused because many businesses appear to have the right to deny service, though I'm not sure of the legality. See "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs in convenience stores, dress requirements at high end restaurants, theme parks reserving the right to kick people out based on offensive tattoos/language, etc.

And before anyone out there decides to go building strawmans, I'm NOT saying this is right, equating dress codes to gay rights, or anything of the sort. Just clarifying where some people may be confused.

 

[linsivvi]

I think some people are confused because many businesses appear to have the right to deny service, though I'm not sure of the legality. See "No shoes, no shirt, no service" signs in convenience stores, dress requirements at high end restaurants, theme parks reserving the right to kick people out based on offensive tattoos/language, etc.

None of these are examples of discrimination.

 

[Skunkers]

None of these are examples of discrimination.

Indeed, they're not.